My new silent rig 5820K + R9 390

[Mattuz]

Hi everyone, I'm buying a new configuration for gaming in QHD.

PHANTEKS P400S Black windowed
beQuiet! Dark Power PRO 11 850W
MSI x99a SLI KRAIT
Intel i7-5820K
DDR4 16Gb Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000Mhz CL15
Sapphire R9 390 8Gb w/b (already have)
Samsung PRO 850 250Gb (already have)
Western Digital Green or Red (which is the most silent?) 1Tb

In the case I'll put 2x140mm SilentWings2 PWM in the front, and 2x120mm SilentWings2 PWM 1 back and 1 top.
I also have two NB eLoop B12-2 that I can use in the cpu heatsink.

So my doubts:
Is it better the Dark Power PRO 11 or the EVGA SuperNOVA G2, I know that platinum it's not so better than gold, but I choosed the bequiet for the fan, I already have the silent wings 2 and they are exeptional, dead silent al low range. The EVGA instead has a fanless profile until 20% of the load, but I don't know if I'll be in the 20% range with this config. Eitherway, the difference between the two is 40€ in the shop in which i'm going to buy.

Second, which HDD should I buy? I read SPCR review on HDDs and I found the Green as the best, but I also read of people complaining about malfunctioning due to the drive frequently stopping (sorry, I don't know how to say that in english, but I hope you got it). So i was oriented to the Red ones.

Last but not least, the heatsink. I cannot host in P400S a >160mm heatsink. So my choice was beQuiet! Dark Rock 3, but I didn't read really well about it regarding mounting system and also db (I think precisely in a SPCR review). I read well of Scyte Kotetsu, is it good? Would he let me oc to 4.3-4.5Ghz? My concern is about silece at idle, and i'll probably put my NB B12-2 in the front as push and switch the included fan as exhaust.

Ty all

[CA_Steve]

Welcome to SPCR.

Is this a gaming only rig? If so, I'm not sure going with 6 core+ hyperthreading buys you anything over 4 core + hyperthreading...or possibly just 4 core other than additional heat, noise and $'s.

[Mattuz]

I'll use it only for gaming, but in my family this pc will be used also for work. So the 5820k was the best choice to mix gaming and rendering + video editing. And I also hope dx12 will help this cpu due to 6 cores.

Anyway, heatsink is my first issue right now...

[CA_Steve]

Ok - good to know it'll be used for apps that can make use of the cores. As I mentioned in the Kotetsu thread, the Ninja 4 might be a better choice for this high TDP processor. I don't think you'll get much benefit in push-pull with the Kotetsu as it is fairly thin.

[CA_Steve]

Yeah, be quiet! uses great fans...but the fan profile of the DPP11 850 is crazy steep. Image from Tom's review.


The Straight Power 10 800, on the other hand, has a low and flat fan profile and is still below 900rpm in your use range. If you were to go with EVGA, take a look at the P2 platform rather than the G2.

[Mattuz]

The evga p2 seems the best choice since straight power has only one eps cable and I saw my mobo has a 8+4 pin eps connector and also the evga is almost completely fanless in my range of W.

Now talking about the heatsink, Ninja 4 you said is better, ok. Is it competitive, like I don't know, at least a Dark rock 3?if it is and will guarantee a good overclock I'll take it, otherwise is there something better?

Last thing, the hdd: which you think is better for my use, green or red? Which is the most Silent?
Thanks

[quest_for_silence]

PHANTEKS P400S Black windowed

That case has an appalling lack of airflow: you won't get a quiet system with the proposed (hot) hardware.

Is it competitive, like I don't know, at least a Dark rock 3?if it is and will guarantee a good overclock I'll take it, otherwise is there something better

The Dark Rock 3 is an underdog, just good-looking and expensive, lots of heatsinks are better, thermal-wise (including that Ninja 4).
Among the dual tower (probably more versed into oc'ing an LGA 2011), perhaps the TR Silver Arrow IB-E would be what I'd look at.

[Mattuz]

Ok, got it.
I found the silver arrow at around 60€ with three fans included, the ninja4 new is sold for 45€
Which is the more convenient?

What's bad about the p400s? Why you say there is a lack of airflow? I'll put 2x140mm in the front and 2x120 respectively back and top, why it's not enough?

And about hdds?

[quest_for_silence]

Which is the more convenient?

The Ninja 4 price is right in the money, the IB-E is below average market pricing/value (but take note that AFAIK the Silver Arrow is sold with just two fans, not three, so that I'm not sure what you're talking about).

What's bad about the p400s? Why you say there is a lack of airflow? I'll put 2x140mm in the front and 2x120 respectively back and top, why it's not enough?

Because it virtually lacks inlets: those fans will mostly recirculate hot air.

And about hdds?

I can't help, I don't like and tend to not use 3.5" drives: I just suppose that the larger Greens may be marginally quieter (smaller Greens could now be rebadged Blues, so relatively noisy 7200rpms drives).

[Mattuz]

Regarding Silver Arrow it is used and the previous owner sell it with 3 fans (original model) and it seems to be in good condition.
Another option could be the Megahalems or Genesis. There are no many heatsink available where I have to buy (and I cannot change it unfortunally)

About the case, what would you recomand? I need something that is ATX but that is also not big (I have to put on my desk) and the Phanteks eclipse dimensions were ok, I need something not bigger than 40-45cm in height.

[quest_for_silence]

Regarding Silver Arrow it is used and the previous owner sell it with 3 fans (original model) and it seems to be in good condition.

I can't say anything, if it's the IB-E asymmetrical version it's good, while the previous releases were slightly less performing.
The Genesis should be well up to the task: other twin towers options are either the Noctua NH-D14/D-15/D-15S or the recent Scythe Fuma.

About the case, what would you recomand? I need something that is ATX but that is also not big (I have to put on my desk) and the Phanteks eclipse dimensions were ok, I need something not bigger than 40-45cm in height.

I'd look to something more open, like the Fractal Arc Midi R2 or the Phanteks Enthoo Pro M (the Eclipse's twin), or maybe the Cooler Master MasterCase 5 (slightly larger).

[Mattuz]

So now my doubt is between megahalems and Genesis. They have more or less the same price where I buy. Is the Genesis better in cooling vrms and rams?

Regarding the case, it will be a though choice. The mastercase 5 is too big, maybe the enthoo pro m I don't know... the fact is that is 50cm tall. I saw also the S340, how is it?

[quest_for_silence]

I saw also the S340, how is it?

Same as the Eclipse: too closed for your rig to be quiet (the way we mean on SPCR).

[Mattuz]

Ok, so I'll take phanteks Enthoo pro m and I'll use two Silent wings 2 140mm in the front and one on the rear and a silent wings 2 120mm on the top.

I'll also take a WD green the EZRX one.

Now the heatsink, megahalems or Genesis or d15? I wonder if the two fan in the genesis could generate turbolence

[Abula]

About the case, what would you recomand? I need something that is ATX but that is also not big (I have to put on my desk) and the Phanteks eclipse dimensions were ok, I need something not bigger than 40-45cm in height.

Look into the following,

Corsair Carbide Series Air 540 = 45.8cm height.
Lian Li PC-O8S = 42.8 cm of height.
Lian Li PC-V700 = 40cm height.
Lian Li PC-A55 = 37.5cm height.
Cooler Master HAF XB EVO = 33cm height.

[Mattuz]

I like two of them, the pc 08 and the air540 but they are too expensive, I mean the first one is way too expensive and the second one is just too expensive compared to the enthoo pro m that ok is 2/3cm higher but is also better looking

Abuja you have the silver arrow, how are you feeling about it? Is it so good and silent? Right know I have to choose between the two prolimatech and maybe also the silver arrow and ninja4

[Abula]

Ok, so I'll take phanteks Enthoo pro m and I'll use two Silent wings 2 140mm in the front and one on the rear and a silent wings 2 120mm on the top.

If you are considering the Pro M, you should also take a look into Fractal Design Define S Tower Case, very similar in price and specs, and has a 45.1cm height. Check the follwing video, DEFINE S vs ENTHOO Pro M | Best Budget Case to buy?

Abuja you have the silver arrow, how are you feeling about it? Is it so good and silent?

You can set it up to be very quiet, not silent. Its cooling its very good, i would say as good as it gets without going into water. But you do need a motherboard that can undervolt the AP181s, i changed mine for AP182 for more control, but at the end my setup heats so much that im running them as i would have ran the AP181, around 450rpms idle and ramp up with the CPU temperature, if you go this route, try to get a motherboard with good fan control on 3pin, like an Asus with FanXpert.

Right know I have to choose between the two prolimatech and maybe also the silver arrow and ninja4

All 3 are good coolers, i personally like more twin towers, but the performance is good on all 3, i no longer run my setups overclocked as i prefer to have a quieter setup, and OCing will introduce more heat that ill have to deal with with either more fans or more rpms, and to me its not worth it, but to each to its own. Either of the coolers you are considering is very good, i would probably crosscheck heights with the final case you end up, as some are very tall and might or not fit.

On the MSI X99 (i never have tested it), i personally like MSI a lot, and im undervolting my AP182 with pure bios, and works great, but newer mobos of MSI seem to have lost the way to run them actively, i tested an MSI H170 Gaming, and i couldn't no longer setup 3pin fans on SYS_FAN headers to undervolt dynamically with the CPU temps, i could still undervolt them fine but at a steady %, the minimum was around 40% if i remember correctly, that said i do think Asus is a better bet if you want to undervolt fans to make your setups quieter, MSI you do have know how they work and chose fans accordingly and not knowing what type of bios it runs, its hard to say how it will work out, while my experience with FanXpert has been good in all setups, the downside of Asus and one of the reasons i don't run them on my main setup, is that i like minimalist setups, and i personally dislike AI Suite and the bloatware it comes with, none the less, their FanXpert is by far the best and easist fan control in the market, well that and if you are lucky to be able to run SpeedFan.

[Mattuz]

Thanks a lot.
Regarding the case I think that define s has the same problem the other user told about P400S, the front panel that could make the intaking more difficult than in the enthoo. Is my thought right or am I wrong?

On the heatsink due to availability in the shop I have to buy in I'll take one of the two prolimatech or a nh-d15 if it is better according to you. What do you think about the two fans in the genesis that could "steal" air from each other?

And the mobo, I hope x99 sli Krait can manage well the fans, I'll google a bit and search for some reviews.

[quest_for_silence]

I think that define s has the same problem the other user told about P400S, the front panel that could make the intaking more difficult than in the enthoo. Is my thought right or am I wrong?

The Define S is better (though not as the Pro M or the Arc Midi R2, given how hot your CPU/GPU would be when oc'ed) because it has effective side intakes around the front panel (which the Eclipse lacks).

[Mattuz]

It's a shame the arc midi r2 does not support my gpu which is 308mm (max 290mm)

[quest_for_silence]

It's a shame the arc midi r2 does not support my gpu which is 308mm (max 290mm)

"Graphics cards up to 290mm in length with the top HDD cage installed - With the top cage removed, graphics cards up to 430mm in length may be installed"

[Mattuz]

Sorry, didn't noticed it.
So arc midi r2 or enthoo pro m, I like them both what's the best? One of them as some more than the other?

Right now this is where we have arrived:

PHANTEKS Enthoo pro m
EVGA SuperNOVA P2
Msi Krait x99s
I7 5820k
Prolimatech Genesis
Corsair Vengeance 16gb 3000mhz cl15 lpx
Sapphire r9 390 8gb TriX
Western Digital green 2tb
Samsung PRO 850 250gb
Led strip and white 24/8 and 6+2 pin extensions for the black and white build.

Is there another psu maybe cheaper that is fanless up to 40% of the load? I don't really trust much CWT oem so maybe hxi would not be my first choice

[Mattuz]

Sorry to bother you again, what do you think about the build quality and silence of the Silent Base 600?

[quest_for_silence]

Sorry to bother you again, what do you think about the build quality and silence of the Silent Base 600?

It's nearly identical to the Silent Base 800, so it should not offer enough cooling prowess for your hardware (I guess it should run up to 10°C hotter than a Pro M, for instance), and therefore likely an overall not that good quietness (on load).

[Mattuz]

After a bit of searching, I decided for the Pro M, but not the simple one, the acrylic window version.
With that I think my configuration will be well cooled, am I right? QUESTO

I also opted for a Corsair RM750X instead of the supernova p2 because of availability where I'm going to buy an for the effective performance of a platinum that probably wouldn't be noticed in a normal use.

[quest_for_silence]

With that I think my configuration will be well cooled, am I right?

I guess so.