Point of View ION Atom 330 M/Board Review
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Point of View ION Atom 330 M/Board Review
First of hello to you all, Ive taken quite a bit of info from the site and wanted to give a little back.
Last week I picked up one of the first PoV Atom 330 ITX boards, which as some of you may know is paired up with an ION/9400M Nvidia chipset.
The good
Cheaper (ish)than the Zotac by about 35 euros
PCIe x16 slot
4 SATA ports
Dinky!
The Bad
No PSU built in (making it much more expensive when paired with a pico)
No Wifi
A BIOS with all the intellegence of sea cucumber with a learning disability (no overclocking/RAID/err anything really). PoV's first M/B I believe and it really shows.
The board itself came in very spartan packaging, with just a single SATA cable and a small CPU fan. Not very impressive for something costing 150 euros. However it fitted well in the InWin BM689 case and the CPU fan whilst being tiny, doesnt seem to make much racket (unlike the case PSU fan).
I set mine up with Server 2008x64 (using Vista64 drivers), two 500GB Hitachi hard drives in RAID 1, (software, theres no hardware RAID on the board), and a Intel PT 1000 dual port PCIex4 network card. I used a modded Bluetooth stack to get 2k8 working with a Logitech Media Board Pro.
The box is destined for Home Server/HTPC duties at which it excels, CIFS copies are over 80MB/s which far exceeds that of a NAS costing twice as much. Its also iSCSI capable but I cant go into that here as its not exactly via a Microsoft approved strategy.
Power consumption
18w Off
23w Idle
27w File copy
34w Maxed out
Costs
Case e55
Board e149
Ram - I had some lying around
Pico PSU 120w + adpater - e100, total rip off for the quality.
PCIe network card - 50 euros S/H but worth every. Reduces the CPU load considerably and doubles bandwidth.
Drives e100
Total 455.
If I didnt want to use a PCIe x4 network card, the Zotac would have worked out cheaper and is I suspect a much more professional product. In a years time the lack of overclocking may prove a problem as even the dual core atom has just enough performance and no more. Anyway it works and Im happy with it.
Last week I picked up one of the first PoV Atom 330 ITX boards, which as some of you may know is paired up with an ION/9400M Nvidia chipset.
The good
Cheaper (ish)than the Zotac by about 35 euros
PCIe x16 slot
4 SATA ports
Dinky!
The Bad
No PSU built in (making it much more expensive when paired with a pico)
No Wifi
A BIOS with all the intellegence of sea cucumber with a learning disability (no overclocking/RAID/err anything really). PoV's first M/B I believe and it really shows.
The board itself came in very spartan packaging, with just a single SATA cable and a small CPU fan. Not very impressive for something costing 150 euros. However it fitted well in the InWin BM689 case and the CPU fan whilst being tiny, doesnt seem to make much racket (unlike the case PSU fan).
I set mine up with Server 2008x64 (using Vista64 drivers), two 500GB Hitachi hard drives in RAID 1, (software, theres no hardware RAID on the board), and a Intel PT 1000 dual port PCIex4 network card. I used a modded Bluetooth stack to get 2k8 working with a Logitech Media Board Pro.
The box is destined for Home Server/HTPC duties at which it excels, CIFS copies are over 80MB/s which far exceeds that of a NAS costing twice as much. Its also iSCSI capable but I cant go into that here as its not exactly via a Microsoft approved strategy.
Power consumption
18w Off
23w Idle
27w File copy
34w Maxed out
Costs
Case e55
Board e149
Ram - I had some lying around
Pico PSU 120w + adpater - e100, total rip off for the quality.
PCIe network card - 50 euros S/H but worth every. Reduces the CPU load considerably and doubles bandwidth.
Drives e100
Total 455.
If I didnt want to use a PCIe x4 network card, the Zotac would have worked out cheaper and is I suspect a much more professional product. In a years time the lack of overclocking may prove a problem as even the dual core atom has just enough performance and no more. Anyway it works and Im happy with it.
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That doesn't sound good at all...StartledPancake wrote:Power consumption
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Yeah, fortunately its on 24/7 so its not an issue.ilovejedd wrote:That doesn't sound good at all...StartledPancake wrote:Power consumption
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Can you check that? I mean what mobo uses power when switched off. That would start to really piss me off.StartledPancake wrote:Yeah, fortunately its on 24/7 so its not an issue.ilovejedd wrote:That doesn't sound good at all...StartledPancake wrote:Power consumption
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Have you also looked at soft overclocking (SetFSB type programs). I asked POV about adding OC to BIOS but they claim that its not stable due to temps and then proceed to whine about competitors 2Ghz overclocks not being stable. Sounds a bit BS to me!
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Yeah the off state power use seems to be correct, but then its the same for my desktop usings Windows 7 "Hibernate". That uses 20w as well, the only way to get it to use zero is to use the power switch on the PSU.Methanoid wrote:Can you check that? I mean what mobo uses power when switched off. That would start to really piss me off.StartledPancake wrote:Yeah, fortunately its on 24/7 so its not an issue.ilovejedd wrote: That doesn't sound good at all...
Have you also looked at soft overclocking (SetFSB type programs). I asked POV about adding OC to BIOS but they claim that its not stable due to temps and then proceed to whine about competitors 2Ghz overclocks not being stable. Sounds a bit BS to me!
The PLL isnt recognised by any of the soft overclocking apps, so if overclocking is a must then Id look elsewhere.
Its disappointing that we cant get a decent mobile chipset board in ITX for a decent price as its a much an overall better solution, especially when paired with a ULV chip.
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Well that's interesting. Even my bigger systems use almost 0W when they're shut down.StartledPancake wrote:Yeah the off state power use seems to be correct, but then its the same for my desktop usings Windows 7 "Hibernate". That uses 20w as well, the only way to get it to use zero is to use the power switch on the PSU.
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How do you measure power? This seems extremely odd.StartledPancake wrote: Yeah the off state power use seems to be correct, but then its the same for my desktop usings Windows 7 "Hibernate". That uses 20w as well, the only way to get it to use zero is to use the power switch on the PSU.
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Sounds like its not actually Hobernating but waiting oin USB resume and stil drawing current? Either way its off.K.Murx wrote:HHow do you measure power? This seems extremely odd.StartledPancake wrote: Yeah the off state power use seems to be correct, but then its the same for my desktop usings Windows 7 "Hibernate". That uses 20w as well, the only way to get it to use zero is to use the power switch on the PSU.
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I got one of those boards as well, since I couldn't find any zotacs around here and I was in a hurry.StartledPancake wrote: The good
Cheaper (ish)than the Zotac by about 35 euros
PCIe x16 slot
4 SATA ports
Dinky!
The Bad
No PSU built in (making it much more expensive when paired with a pico)
No Wifi
A BIOS with all the intellegence of sea cucumber with a learning disability (no overclocking/RAID/err anything really). PoV's first M/B I believe and it really shows.
The board itself came in very spartan packaging, with just a single SATA cable and a small CPU fan. Not very impressive for something costing 150 euros. However it fitted well in the InWin BM689 case and the CPU fan whilst being tiny, doesnt seem to make much racket (unlike the case PSU fan).
I set mine up with Server 2008x64 (using Vista64 drivers), two 500GB Hitachi hard drives in RAID 1, (software, theres no hardware RAID on the board), and a Intel PT 1000 dual port PCIex4 network card. I used a modded Bluetooth stack to get 2k8 working with a Logitech Media Board Pro.
If I didnt want to use a PCIe x4 network card, the Zotac would have worked out cheaper and is I suspect a much more professional product. In a years time the lack of overclocking may prove a problem as even the dual core atom has just enough performance and no more. Anyway it works and Im happy with it.
It REALLY shows its their first mobo .
I've got two 2GB kingston so-dimm modules in it and it only sees 3.3GB of available memory, both with Windows 7 64 bit and with memtest86+.
The BIOS options are close to zero.
There are no 64 bit drivers in the CD, and nvidia's webpage network drivers fail to initialize the network card. I have to use the ones that come with 7, but they only go up to 100mbps.
Plus the lack of integrated PSU makes it a whole lot more expensive than the Zotac one. It didn't bother me so much when I got it since I already had a silent PSU for my little valley 2, but when I swapped the boards I found two almost dead capacitors on the DC-DC converter on the 5V rail and the adapter doesn't work anymore, either. Now replacing it costs almost as much as the board itself.
All in all, one of the worst mobos I've bought in quite a long time. I hope they fix it soon with BIOS and driver updates.
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Power was measured with a Brennenstuhl plug in meter over the course of several days, Im pretty confident its accurate.Methanoid wrote:Sounds like its not actually Hobernating but waiting oin USB resume and stil drawing current? Either way its off.K.Murx wrote:HHow do you measure power? This seems extremely odd.StartledPancake wrote: Yeah the off state power use seems to be correct, but then its the same for my desktop usings Windows 7 "Hibernate". That uses 20w as well, the only way to get it to use zero is to use the power switch on the PSU.
In addition to your other problems herrakx, have you noticed theres no boot from USB option? This board is turning out to be junk to be honest.
Im using the Vista64 Nvidia driver from the network card, version 67.8.9.0 and dont have any issues with Gb ethernet.
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I sent a quick note to PoV asking about BIOS updates for USB booting and overclocking, looks like there wont be any:
Id seriously recommend avoiding this board, as its basic (although not in price). Cant believe I now have to go out and buy a slimline CD player because of these clowns.Dear sir
Thank you for having our product
The ION mainboard is a basic mainboard, and due that provided with a Basic bios also . For now there will not be released another bios with all features for overclocking and timings for the memory
With kind regards
Point of View / Technical Department
Albert Offerein
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So, your Desktop in "hibernation" takes 20W.
Desktop with PSU switch "off" takes ~0W (so it is probably not the meter)
The ITX-system "off" takes 18 W
This is interesting. What happens if you don't hibernate but shut down you desktop? 20W or 0?
Is there anything else running from the PSU? A monitor perhaps?
Or is there really only the PSU, plugged directly into the meter, and nothing else?
[Sorry for hijackign your thread, I am just a rather curious person when it comes to technology]
Desktop with PSU switch "off" takes ~0W (so it is probably not the meter)
The ITX-system "off" takes 18 W
This is interesting. What happens if you don't hibernate but shut down you desktop? 20W or 0?
Is there anything else running from the PSU? A monitor perhaps?
Or is there really only the PSU, plugged directly into the meter, and nothing else?
[Sorry for hijackign your thread, I am just a rather curious person when it comes to technology]
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Hi!StartledPancake wrote:I sent a quick note to PoV asking about BIOS updates for USB booting and overclocking, looks like there wont be any:
Id seriously recommend avoiding this board, as its basic (although not in price). Cant believe I now have to go out and buy a slimline CD player because of these clowns.Dear sir
Thank you for having our product
The ION mainboard is a basic mainboard, and due that provided with a Basic bios also . For now there will not be released another bios with all features for overclocking and timings for the memory
With kind regards
Point of View / Technical Department
Albert Offerein
I finally fixed the network issue using the network driver from 20.14_nforce_winvista64_international_whql.exe and skipping the ion drivers altogether.
You can boot from usb drives, just plug them and press f12 for the boot menu to appear while you see the POV logo, or change the boot order from the bios. I've booted clonezilla from an USB stick.
hope that helps and you didn't buy the drive yet!.
I still can't see all the memory, that will have to wait until a bios update (maybe they won't add new features but they should at least fix that).
EDIT: sorry, the key for boot selection is F11, i just checked, f12 is for network boot
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No problem at all, Id be very interested to find out the answer. Theres nothing plugged into the PC apart from a usb dongle.K.Murx wrote:So, your Desktop in "hibernation" takes 20W.
Desktop with PSU switch "off" takes ~0W (so it is probably not the meter)
The ITX-system "off" takes 18 W
This is interesting. What happens if you don't hibernate but shut down you desktop? 20W or 0?
Is there anything else running from the PSU? A monitor perhaps?
Or is there really only the PSU, plugged directly into the meter, and nothing else?
[Sorry for hijackign your thread, I am just a rather curious person when it comes to technology]
This behaviour is with the standard PSU, Ill be fitting the Pico tonight so will be able to do a comparison.
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Thanks for the tip but unfortunately the keyboard is Bluetooth so I cant do anything keyboard wise until a stack is loaded, which comes from the WinPE install on the USB key.
Hi!
I finally fixed the network issue using the network driver from 20.14_nforce_winvista64_international_whql.exe and skipping the ion drivers altogether.
You can boot from usb drives, just plug them and press f12 for the boot menu to appear while you see the POV logo, or change the boot order from the bios. I've booted clonezilla from an USB stick.
hope that helps and you didn't buy the drive yet!.
I still can't see all the memory, that will have to wait until a bios update (maybe they won't add new features but they should at least fix that).
EDIT: sorry, the key for boot selection is F11, i just checked, f12 is for network boot
Of course you can connect a USB keyboard but I suspect that takes longer than someone at PoV fixing such a simple issue.
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I would worry about the power meter. Most of the cheaper models have problems with currents that are far off the sine-shape. Incidentally, which is the case with low power consumptions of PC power supplies.K.Murx wrote:So, your Desktop in "hibernation" takes 20W.
Desktop with PSU switch "off" takes ~0W (so it is probably not the meter)
The ITX-system "off" takes 18 W
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Using the nforce 9 drivers for which ever O/S you have on the ion will work, got full gigabit with win7 x64 7127
ram issue is a funny one, seems the manufactures dont know whats going on, i'm here from the zotac forums as someone linked me about the ram issue
zotacusa. com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1467
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ram issue is a funny one, seems the manufactures dont know whats going on, i'm here from the zotac forums as someone linked me about the ram issue
i can see Albert regreting that one in time to come if enough people make some noiseDear sir
Yes, I can confirm the ION MB is supporting 2x4GB , without any issue
With kind regards
Point of View / Technical Department
Albert Offerein
zotacusa. com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1467
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ah, great, thanks. i've assumed that this option is unavailable, due to this quote from the initial post of this thread:-TDO- wrote: Of course is it possible to switch to AHCI.
You can choose between SATA (IDE), AHCI or RAID mode.
A BIOS with all the intellegence of sea cucumber with a learning disability (no overclocking/RAID/err anything really)
The BIOS has all you need.zprst wrote:ah, great, thanks. i've assumed that this option is unavailable, due to this quote from the initial post of this thread:-TDO- wrote: Of course is it possible to switch to AHCI.
You can choose between SATA (IDE), AHCI or RAID mode.
A BIOS with all the intellegence of sea cucumber with a learning disability (no overclocking/RAID/err anything really)
The only thing missing are overclocking and manual memory configuration features.
TDO
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StartledPancake wrote: I've got two 2GB kingston so-dimm modules in it and it only sees 3.3GB of available memory, both with Windows 7 64 bit and with memtest86+.
There are no 64 bit drivers in the CD, and nvidia's webpage network drivers fail to initialize the network card. I have to use the ones that come with 7, but they only go up to 100mbps.
I think you have the Intel Atom CPU misunderstood mate...
Atom implements the x86 (IA-32) instruction set; x86-64 is so far only activated for the Atom 230 and 330 desktop models. N and Z series Atom models cannot run x86-64 code.
sauce: wikipedia / Intel Atom
FROm the asrock website: asrock dot c0m/nettop/overview.asp?Model=S330
1GB DDR2 memory support up to 4GB* (2xDIMM Slots, Dual channel)
*Due to the CPU and chipset limitation, the actual memory size may be less than 4GB for the reservation for system usage under Windows® XP / XP 64-bit / Vista™ / Vista™ 64-bit.
The Intel Atom CPU (&Chipset) supports 64-bit instructions but not 64-bit memory addressing... All Intel Atom based notebooks/pc's/mainboards have this issue... So it's really an issue of the CPU and not the support of the mainboard. I have one running myself with Windows 7 beta and there the full 4GB is displayed (can only use 3.2GB however ).
Wonder why you never see these Netbook/top thingies with Xp x64? That's probably also the reason there aren't any x64 drivers on the CD.
Anyway, I should contact them about the powerconsumption though. Don't have the equipment to measure it myself but 18W is pretty wack in standby mode. Should be fixable through a BIOS update, if the mainboard has the correct components
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I am quite sure this is definitely untrue. N/Z series atom do not support EM64T, hence no 64bit instructions / addressing.StartledPancake wrote: The Intel Atom CPU (&Chipset) supports 64-bit instructions but not 64-bit memory addressing... All Intel Atom based notebooks/pc's/mainboards have this issue... So it's really an issue of the CPU and not the support of the mainboard.
200/300 series do support EM64T. So how much ram can they actually address (most cpus don't implement the full 52 bits possible by x86-64)? This isn't really mentioned directly, but if you look at the datasheets you can see that the z/n series have address pins A3-A31 for a 32bit address space as expected (bits 0-2 are always 0). The 200/300 series chips apparently have some bugs in the datasheet in that area. The pin-out lists A3-A35, which would point to 36 bits (64Gbyte), the description, which must be wrong (since it mentions A3-A32 for 2^32 address space which doesn't add up, as that would be 2^33 address space) disagrees. I think though it's likely pin-out is correct (and the description buggy due to copy/paste errors from other atoms) hence the atom should have no problems addressing way more than 4GB. We know that technically Ion chipset should support more ram too, so everything seems to point to a bios issue, with the bios simply unable to enable memory remapping (for some unknown reason).
I'd really need a source to be able to believe this. Otherwise, not going to trust unknown source over the official intel atom datasheet (even though we know it has typos in that area).-TDO- wrote:I don't know the exactly resource, but there has been a long discussion about this topic.
The answer from a Intel technican was, the existing Atom Cpus can only adress 4 GB.
So there will be no board with memory remapping or more then 4 GB.
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