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Reeven, the gaming brand/division of Scythe, released its new tower cooler, named the Justice.

Seemingly a beefed-up Kotetsu, on [H] it just performed admirably well: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/07/18/reeven_justice_120mm_cpu_air_cooler_review/4#.V44ILKLLLF9

Will it worth an SPCR review? I hope so.

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It has two additional pairs of heatpipes - a 50% increase. It is 2mm taller (which may not matter), at 162mm vs 160mm.

Very interesting, and it may well come down to the quality of the base and the mounting hardware.

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Seems very interesting, specially because of the price, @ $40 if it performs that well, it should be recommended over the Kotetsu and Ninja4 around $48 offerings.

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Abula wrote:
Seems very interesting, specially because of the price, @ $40 if it performs that well, it should be recommended over the Kotetsu and Ninja4 around $48 offerings.

Well, I didn't want to wait for Mike and Lawrence (if ever, I doubt), so I imported (it's not sold here) one sample last october, and this weekend I did some brief testing.

Given the (obvious) repeatability and reproducibility limits, I leave here just the raw results, not my judgements/assessments/feelings (it's not a user review).

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║         ║ Justice ║ 81 ║ 86 ║ 86 ║ 83 ║    ║ 87 ║ 93 ║ 93 ║ 91 ║    ║ ****** FAIL ***** ║
║  275rpm ║ Kotetsu ║ 82 ║ 87 ║ 87 ║ 84 ║    ║ 84 ║ 90 ║ 91 ║ 89 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║
║         ║ Ninja 4 ║ 75 ║ 82 ║ 81 ║ 78 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║    ║ ****** FAIL ***** ║
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║         ║ Justice ║ 68 ║ 75 ║ 75 ║ 71 ║    ║ 82 ║ 87 ║ 89 ║ 85 ║    ║ ****** FAIL ***** ║
║  470rpm ║ Kotetsu ║ 66 ║ 74 ║ 74 ║ 70 ║    ║ 72 ║ 78 ║ 80 ║ 77 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║
║         ║ Ninja 4 ║ 64 ║ 71 ║ 71 ║ 67 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║    ║ ****** FAIL ***** ║
║         ║         ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║
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║         ║ Justice ║ 61 ║ 68 ║ 68 ║ 65 ║    ║ 71 ║ 77 ║ 79 ║ 75 ║    ║ ****** FAIL ***** ║
║  670rpm ║ Kotetsu ║ 60 ║ 68 ║ 67 ║ 65 ║    ║ 67 ║ 72 ║ 74 ║ 72 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║
║         ║ Ninja 4 ║ 59 ║ 66 ║ 66 ║ 64 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║    ║ 71 ║ 78 ║ 79 ║ 75 ║
║         ║         ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║
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║         ║ Justice ║ 57 ║ 64 ║ 64 ║ 62 ║    ║ 67 ║ 72 ║ 74 ║ 71 ║    ║ 68 ║ 75 ║ 76 ║ 74 ║
║  880rpm ║ Kotetsu ║ 58 ║ 65 ║ 66 ║ 63 ║    ║ 64 ║ 69 ║ 72 ║ 68 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║
║         ║ Ninja 4 ║ 57 ║ 64 ║ 65 ║ 61 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║    ║ 66 ║ 73 ║ 74 ║ 72 ║
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║         ║ Justice ║ 56 ║ 62 ║ 63 ║ 60 ║    ║ 64 ║ 69 ║ 70 ║ 67 ║    ║ 68 ║ 74 ║ 76 ║ 73 ║
║ 1060rpm ║ Kotetsu ║ 56 ║ 64 ║ 64 ║ 60 ║    ║ 63 ║ 67 ║ 69 ║ 66 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║
║         ║ Ninja 4 ║ 56 ║ 62 ║ 63 ║ 59 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║    ║ 66 ║ 72 ║ 73 ║ 70 ║
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║         ║ Justice ║ 56 ║ 63 ║ 62 ║ 60 ║    ║ 60 ║ 65 ║ 66 ║ 62 ║    ║ 68 ║ 74 ║ 76 ║ 73 ║
║ 1260rpm ║ Kotetsu ║ 56 ║ 63 ║ 63 ║ 60 ║    ║ 61 ║ 66 ║ 68 ║ 65 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║
║         ║ Ninja 4 ║ 54 ║ 60 ║ 62 ║ 58 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║    ║ 63 ║ 69 ║ 71 ║ 67 ║
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║         ║ Justice ║ 55 ║ 61 ║ 62 ║ 59 ║    ║ 59 ║ 65 ║ 65 ║ 61 ║    ║ 64 ║ 71 ║ 73 ║ 69 ║
║ 1500rpm ║ Kotetsu ║ 57 ║ 64 ║ 64 ║ 61 ║    ║ 60 ║ 65 ║ 67 ║ 63 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║
║         ║ Ninja 4 ║ 53 ║ 60 ║ 61 ║ 58 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║    ║ 63 ║ 68 ║ 70 ║ 66 ║
║         ║         ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║
╠═════════╬═════════╬════╬════╬════╬════╣    ╠════╬════╬════╬════╣    ╠════╬════╬════╬════╣
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║         ║ Justice ║ 53 ║ 60 ║ 61 ║ 57 ║    ║ 56 ║ 61 ║ 63 ║ 60 ║    ║ 62 ║ 68 ║ 70 ║ 66 ║
║ 2000rpm ║ Kotetsu ║ 55 ║ 62 ║ 62 ║ 59 ║    ║ 59 ║ 65 ║ 65 ║ 62 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║
║         ║ Ninja 4 ║ 51 ║ 57 ║ 59 ║ 56 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║    ║ 61 ║ 66 ║ 68 ║ 64 ║
║         ║         ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║
╠═════════╬═════════╬════╬════╬════╬════╣    ╠════╬════╬════╬════╣    ╠════╬════╬════╬════╣
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║         ║ Justice ║ 54 ║ 61 ║ 61 ║ 58 ║    ║ 55 ║ 60 ║ 61 ║ 57 ║    ║ 60 ║ 65 ║ 66 ║ 62 ║
║ 3000rpm ║ Kotetsu ║ 53 ║ 61 ║ 61 ║ 57 ║    ║ 57 ║ 63 ║ 65 ║ 62 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║
║         ║ Ninja 4 ║ 51 ║ 58 ║ 59 ║ 56 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║    ║ 59 ║ 65 ║ 65 ║ 62 ║
║         ║         ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║
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Oh, I forgot a family shot! :mrgreen:

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Well, have a nice weekend!

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 Post subject: Re: Reeven Justice: will it be reviewed by SPCR?
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Nice. How would you compare fan sound quality over the 275-1060rpm range?

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CA_Steve wrote:
Nice. How would you compare fan sound quality over the 275-1060rpm range?

Well, Steve, the yellow fan cannot go that low, actually it spins ~380rpm -> ~1590rpm driven by PWM (it may go down to ~290rpm driven by voltage): I did the temperature testing with my reference fans (reference but not favourites), the Noctua iPPC 3000 PWM.

Subjectively it's about comparable to the Glidestream PWM of the Kotetsu: some less ticking, same vibrations level, maybe a touch rougher over 600rpm (or tonally pitched lower than the Scythe sibling)... its only real drawback seems to be the presence of an odd pulsating hum above 750rpm, but unfortunately I didn't investigate further about that, because it's really horribly looking (IMO, of course): just another time I got such a feeling, dealing with a Noctua S12B.

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quest_for_silence wrote:
I did the temperature testing with my reference fans (reference but not favourites), the Noctua iPPC 3000 PWM.


Aha! :)

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CA_Steve wrote:
quest_for_silence wrote:
I did the temperature testing with my reference fans (reference but not favourites), the Noctua iPPC 3000 PWM.


Aha! :)

I'm not sure I got your "Aha!"! :?:

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Using a reference fan for the test is a critical piece of information. Without knowing this, we'd just assume you used the stock fans.

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CA_Steve wrote:
Using a reference fan for the test is a critical piece of information. Without knowing this, we'd just assume you used the stock fans.

As I learned from SPCR, a reference fan is somehow a need: how can you measure anything if there is no prototype metre bar?

The iPPC 3000s are enough flexible (200-3000!), enough "silent" (ahem...), enough powerful, so after I ditched my watercooling station I recycled them as benching reference.

In this case because to test the Justice I just put it in service on a rig of mines... and somewhat surprisingly got no improvements: so, to further investigate my concerns, I put on this session.

BTW, in this specific case using the Glidestream (Kotetsu), the Slipstream SC (Ninja 4), or the yellow fan (Justice) as a reference should give comparable results (NOT comparable to the iPPC ones, I mean among each other), 'cause all the three fans should be rather close (but I'll check it out next weekend).

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Very detailed testing Luca! Looks like the Ninja 4 just wins although the differences are small enough that most users would not notice.

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It's also a nice dive into how much metal do you need vs rpm for i5 vs i7 and OC levels.

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CA_Steve wrote:
It's also a nice dive into how much metal do you need vs rpm for i5 vs i7 and OC levels.

(Set aside formatting errors... :roll: ).

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