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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 9:48 am 
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I am confused, does Noctua support the socket yet?

which is the most silent fan? I will be making music so the smallest fan noise drives me nuts

I have a fraktal define r4 case so im worried maybe the mammoth sized noctua one doesnt fit?


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Noctua has supported AM4 socket for quite a while now. Though not all models have support by default, some need an add-on kit (free from Noctua, last I checked). But check compatibility, most now have it in the box.

The massive D15 may or may not fit... check a site like pcpartpicker, you can probably find pics of someone using your exact case and any popular heatsink. If I were you, I'd be looking at the U12A, as it has similar performance as the D15 but is easier to work with.

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According to Fractal the R4 will take a CPU cooler up to 170mm tall (as long as no side-fan is installed). The Noctua NH-U12A is 158mm tall; the NH-D15 comes in at 165mm.


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According to Fractal the R4 will take a CPU cooler up to 170mm tall (as long as no side-fan is installed). The Noctua NH-U12A is 158mm tall; the NH-D15 comes in at 165mm.


So the NH D15 will be insanely close? add in the mobo space to that 165...

I just dont know because on this chart the 12A isnt even there

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Should I just mount the stock fan that comes with the 3900x and wait for noctua to oficially release AM14 support for the rest?

maybe uh12a is enough and it's just dumb to buy the bigger ones because since I will run stock speeds it may not be noticeable and will be as quiet as the bigger ones????????????


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The R4 can fit up to 170mm according to fractal, but when i had the R4 it can certainly fit much higher, probably 190mm+, it will fit any tower on the market. Btw, before giving away my R4 to a friend i mounted a NH-U14S and had a case fan on the side and had no issues, that said i dont recommend using the side fan with no filters and noise will get out.

I would suggest NH-D15s, the S version will ensure you don't overlap the first PCIe slot, the catch here is that it will only come with one fan, if you want to run it at lower rpms get an extra NF-A15, the problem is the included fan is 1500rpms, the retail version of the NF-A15 is 1200rpms, so if you were to try to match the speeds, then go with the chromax NF-A15 as the included fan it reaches 1500rpms, but then the price start to rise up considerably over most coolers.

One restriction that NH-D15s with twin fans is memory height restriction, and thinking that past Ryzen cpus benefit from faster memory more than intel, is likely that you might not end with standard height memory, if that's the route you are going, i suggest you take a look into Thermalright Le Grand Macho, it should perform very well under low rpms, and fairly decent on high rpms. Fan that it comes is decent enough for quiet operation, the only catch here is the mounting of the cooler is not super easy, i recommend to do it outside the case and if you can someone to help you (at least the first installs helps to have someone else hold it while you align the mounting screw/latch), while the NH-D15S is much easier to mount.

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maybe uh12a is enough and it's just dumb to buy the bigger ones because since I will run stock speeds it may not be noticeable and will be as quiet as the bigger ones????????????
If you can mount either of the above, it would be better than NH-U12A, only circumstance that it preforms similar is under high to max rpms, and while the NF-A12x25 is a superb fan, at 2k rpms is very noticeble and loud, running it a lower rpms, both the NH-D15s and LeGrandMacho will perform better.

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Should I just mount the stock fan that comes with the 3900x and wait for noctua to oficially release AM14 support for the rest?
IIRC the NH-D15S, NH-U12A and LeGrandMacho come with AM4 mounting already.

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 Post subject: Re: Gonna buy a 3900x which is the MOST silent fan for it?
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Abula wrote:
The R4 can fit up to 170mm according to fractal, but when i had the R4 it can certainly fit much higher, probably 190mm+, it will fit any tower on the market. Btw, before giving away my R4 to a friend i mounted a NH-U14S and had a case fan on the side and had no issues, that said i dont recommend using the side fan with no filters and noise will get out.

I would suggest NH-D15s, the S version will ensure you don't overlap the first PCIe slot, the catch here is that it will only come with one fan, if you want to run it at lower rpms get an extra NF-A15, the problem is the included fan is 1500rpms, the retail version of the NF-A15 is 1200rpms, so if you were to try to match the speeds, then go with the chromax NF-A15 as the included fan it reaches 1500rpms, but then the price start to rise up considerably over most coolers.

One restriction that NH-D15s with twin fans is memory height restriction, and thinking that past Ryzen cpus benefit from faster memory more than intel, is likely that you might not end with standard height memory, if that's the route you are going, i suggest you take a look into Thermalright Le Grand Macho, it should perform very well under low rpms, and fairly decent on high rpms. Fan that it comes is decent enough for quiet operation, the only catch here is the mounting of the cooler is not super easy, i recommend to do it outside the case and if you can someone to help you (at least the first installs helps to have someone else hold it while you align the mounting screw/latch), while the NH-D15S is much easier to mount.

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maybe uh12a is enough and it's just dumb to buy the bigger ones because since I will run stock speeds it may not be noticeable and will be as quiet as the bigger ones????????????
If you can mount either of the above, it would be better than NH-U12A, only circumstance that it preforms similar is under high to max rpms, and while the NF-A12x25 is a superb fan, at 2k rpms is very noticeble and loud, running it a lower rpms, both the NH-D15s and LeGrandMacho will perform better.

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Should I just mount the stock fan that comes with the 3900x and wait for noctua to oficially release AM14 support for the rest?
IIRC the NH-D15S, NH-U12A and LeGrandMacho come with AM4 mounting already.


I guess i will need to wait and see if NH-D15s is compatible with the rams i will buy with the mobo i will buy.. im not going to buy fancy rams, again it's stock speeds for me, so I dont expect any problems? we'll see, just a month to find out.


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I guess i will need to wait and see if NH-D15s is compatible with the rams i will buy with the mobo i will buy.. im not going to buy fancy rams, again it's stock speeds for me, so I dont expect any problems? we'll see, just a month to find out.
Check independant reviews in a month, see how Ryzen 3000 behaves with memory, if its like their past generations, there are good gains on running faster memory, a lot more than what intel gains. Now Ryzen 3000 according to the release information will support DDR4 3200 stock (unsure if it will be at 1.2V or the usual 1.35V), the G.SKILL Flare X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) AMD X370 Memory Model F4-3200C14D-16GFX was one of the best memory you could get for a ryzen build, but past gens were very picky about memory, mostly samsung b-die was of the few that people were able to get 3200 memory running, but probably new controllers have mature a lot more in terms of ram compatibility, i would still look for Samsung B-Die if you can, mostly because of the success it had on Ryzen and Ryzen+.

With memory like GSkill FlareX i would go with LeGrandMacho, with memory like Corsair LPX or standard height i would go with the NH-D15s (adding a second fan).

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 Post subject: Re: Gonna buy a 3900x which is the MOST silent fan for it?
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Abula wrote:
silenceorgtfo wrote:
I guess i will need to wait and see if NH-D15s is compatible with the rams i will buy with the mobo i will buy.. im not going to buy fancy rams, again it's stock speeds for me, so I dont expect any problems? we'll see, just a month to find out.
Check independant reviews in a month, see how Ryzen 3000 behaves with memory, if its like their past generations, there are good gains on running faster memory, a lot more than what intel gains. Now Ryzen 3000 according to the release information will support DDR4 3200 stock (unsure if it will be at 1.2V or the usual 1.35V), the G.SKILL Flare X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) AMD X370 Memory Model F4-3200C14D-16GFX was one of the best memory you could get for a ryzen build, but past gens were very picky about memory, mostly samsung b-die was of the few that people were able to get 3200 memory running, but probably new controllers have mature a lot more in terms of ram compatibility, i would still look for Samsung B-Die if you can, mostly because of the success it had on Ryzen and Ryzen+.

With memory like GSkill FlareX i would go with LeGrandMacho, with memory like Corsair LPX or standard height i would go with the NH-D15s (adding a second fan).


I was plannig on buying this one:

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is this samsung? how do I even know?

I wonder if this one will give problems with the D15s and 570x mobo... I dont know how im going to find out since it would someone builds a setup with these exact components which is unlikely.


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is this samsung? how do I even know?
Do you have a model that you are planning on buying? something like F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ

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 Post subject: Re: Gonna buy a 3900x which is the MOST silent fan for it?
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Abula wrote:
silenceorgtfo wrote:
is this samsung? how do I even know?
Do you have a model that you are planning on buying? something like F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ

the pic i posted is from here:

https://www.pccomponentes.com/gskill-tr ... x16gb-cl14

it's this one, this is the one i would like to buy... all things considered it seems like the best one price/quality, the low latency is nice, others:

https://www.pccomponentes.com/corsair-v ... x16gb-cl16

way cheaper but cl16.. im not sure how much relevancy cl14 to cl16 will be


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 Post subject: Re: Gonna buy a 3900x which is the MOST silent fan for it?
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silenceorgtfo wrote:
Abula wrote:
silenceorgtfo wrote:
is this samsung? how do I even know?
Do you have a model that you are planning on buying? something like F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ

the pic i posted is from here:

https://www.pccomponentes.com/gskill-tr ... x16gb-cl14

it's this one, this is the one i would like to buy... all things considered it seems like the best one price/quality, the low latency is nice, others:
It is Samsung B-Die, Is F4-3200C14D-32GTZ 2X16 Samsung B-Die?.

silenceorgtfo wrote:
https://www.pccomponentes.com/corsair-vengeance-lpx-ddr4-3200-pc4-25600-32gb-2x16gb-cl16

way cheaper but cl16.. im not sure how much relevancy cl14 to cl16 will be
This is standard height memory, so it should allow the frontal NF-A15, the problems with Corsair is to get b-die is much harder, as they have versions on each model, and the ver defines which memory modules were sourced form, from what i remember, Samsung b-die is ver4.39, ver5.25 was Hynex and 3.21 was Micron. I usually buy this type of memory used, so i can ask the owner to screenshot the version.

But i wouldnt put to much thought atm to the memory, wait for independent reviews, probably youtubers like HardwareUnboxed will do tests with memory timings and bandwidth like he has done in the past two ryzen releases, Make your Ryzen CPU faster, Memory Tuning Performance, Massive Gaming Gains!.

See how the 3900x behaves with memory, see if its worth going 2666/3000/3200 (all should be supported stock), or if there are gains going 3600/4000, this is something that no know knows atm, nor how compatible are the the controllers with other memory vendors, i would wait for the motherboard to have the QVL List on and chose from there to what you have available to have a better shot to run them at the rated speeds.

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Some news were released today on AMD E3 presentation of NAVI/Ryzen. Seems memory sweatspots are going to be 3200CL14, 3600CL16, 3733CL17.

AMD E3 Overload: 16 Core Ryzen, Two Navi RX 5700 GPUs, Benchmarks, Architectures & More

I would wait on real benchmarks to see if AMD claims are true, its very likely that hardwareUnboxed is going to test different memory timings.

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 Post subject: Re: Gonna buy a 3900x which is the MOST silent fan for it?
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Yup imma wait a good month post release, we should have all tests by then...

In my country there was a leak with this prices:

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I think I can have 3900x + x570 mobo + Noctua fan + ram + SSD for under 1500€... good investment I think, should last me for the next 10 years.

Btw, any news on which fan to buy? We have the mobo measurements now... so which most silent fan to buy? We must wait for tests with the rams to see if they fit?

You mentioned NH-D15s with 2 fans... does it make a difference in noise?

Oh I forgot.. thermal paste.. does the noctua come with their own thermal paste?


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silenceorgtfo wrote:
I think I can have 3900x + x570 mobo + Noctua fan + ram + SSD for under 1500€... good investment I think, should last me for the next 10 years.
I have two totally different ways of seeing this,
1) We are atm in a very competive situation with AMD trying and very likely to get a good market share, but intel having so much resources will bounce back, so i expect good upgrades from gen to gen, under this scenario, 10 years is a timeframe too big to say it will work out. We have DDR5, USB4, PCIe 5.0 coming in the next 3 years, so who knows how far x570 will be competitive.
2) Most of the high end cpus are a lot more than what the average user needs, so you might be right in terms of a 12 core lasting a lot, but depends on your needs and uses. Overtime i do expect software designers to take advantage more cores, specially with PS5 and the new Xbox being multi core... we will see games engines supporting more and more cores.

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Btw, any news on which fan to buy? We have the mobo measurements now... so which most silent fan to buy?
Not sure if you mean fan or cpu cooler, if you mean fan Noctua NF-A12x25 for 120mm and BeQuiet BL067 for 140mm are to me the best fans for cases. Now if you mean CPU cooler, nothing has changed, the AM4 mount will be used by X570/Ryzen 3000, the coolers from most manufactures already have AM4 mounting brackets, so there are no new things atm that will change radically the CPU cooling market. Noctua has NH-D15Sv2 coming soon, but its likely that will come in 2020, Scythe im not aware of new coolers, Thermalright has the new SA T8 but don't seem like ground breaking, to me atm the most capable cooler are still NH-D15S (with two fans) and Thermalright LeGrandMacho (single fan), with coolers like Scythe Mugen5 and Kotetsu MarkII offer good value for the money.

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We must wait for tests with the rams to see if they fit?
Motherboards will have standard placements of their AM4 sockets on the vast majority of offerings, so think of this as its going to be same in terms of fit and restrictions as today, to make it more clear, whatever fits on X470 is very likely that will fit the same on X570. But as i said previously, I would only chose the NH-D15S if i were to use it with two fans, else there are cheaper options that will not restrict the memory height that will perform comparable.

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You mentioned NH-D15s with 2 fans... does it make a difference in noise?
Yes, specially at low rpms the second fan helps a lot, allowing you lower rpm operation or better temps, either way it does make a difference at low rpms (at high rpms its not as much). But there I would pick the LeGrandMacho over the NH-D15S if i were not to use two fans on the NH-D15S. But take into account, that we haven't seen operational temperature of any Ryzen 3000, could be that it doesn't need a great cooler or could be that even with the best it will need a ton of rpms and you will never be able to use it quietly (making this up, no one knows aside from AMD employees).

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Oh I forgot.. thermal paste.. does the noctua come with their own thermal paste?
Yes, Noctua coolers usually come with NT-H1 which is a very good thermal paste. There are better but its 1 or 2C difference, i would use the included on the noctua cooler.

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 Post subject: Re: Gonna buy a 3900x which is the MOST silent fan for it?
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Hi, so the thing has been for a while now... what do we know?

I think i've read 3200mhz with cl14 is ideal, or is it 3600mhz with 16cl?

In terms of fan, do we have any temps tests and to see if there will not be problems fitting a certain ram+fan+mobo+case combos?


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Anyone got the 3900x and tested with any silent fans???


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Get the D15-AM4, and buy a pair of NF A12x25 PWM's to replace the 140's it comes with. Install them on a LNA each and run them around 20%. It will be next to silent, with great performance and no clicking. You're not going to get better than that on air. If that doesn't work then it's water / AIO for you.


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Get the D15-AM4, and buy a pair of NF A12x25 PWM's to replace the 140's it comes with. Install them on a LNA each and run them around 20%. It will be next to silent, with great performance and no clicking. You're not going to get better than that on air. If that doesn't work then it's water / AIO for you.



What is an LNA?? How do I do this? I dont want to fry the CPU.


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Noctua fans come with a low noise adapter that lowers the rpm range.

CPUs don't "fry" any more. They note the high temp and throttle until it goes away. It's doubtful you will ever see a high enough temp to cause throttling.

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At your guess which is the best heatsink for Ryzen 9 to be used with one or more NF-A12x25?

I am inspired by this video, but he still used an NF-A15 in the center. I wonder if there would be too much performance loss with a pair of NF-A12x25. Why do I want that? Just because sound signature (all fans with good acoustics, without whining or clicking and from the same model).

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