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by m0002a
Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:00 pm
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Topic: Voting in America just got a bit harder
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Re: Voting in America just got a bit harder

The state could not provide any evidence of voter fraud; maybe because there is none? It is virtually impossible to discover fraud if you don't check id's. The US Supreme Court has ruled that states may enact reasonable measures to prevent fraud and to ensure fair elections, so long as the measures...
by m0002a
Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:52 pm
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Topic: Voting in America just got a bit harder
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If I were given the choice tomorrow to vote whether the UK adopted a constitution, I would do my very best to persuade everyone else to vote against. If I have learned anything from this bizarre ID law in America is that the constitution and differing state laws cock things up far more than they sh...
by m0002a
Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:54 am
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Political double speak for "I have no evidence whatsoever", can anyone imagine an opponent trying to stand on such a shaky claim? Of course not, but with the double standard you can get away with it, referring to Andy's hypocrisy observation, which is based on reality. The evidence is provided in t...
by m0002a
Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:41 am
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Topic: Voting in America just got a bit harder
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That and the rest of the post did not cover my point. "if person "A" accuses person "B" of something, they should bot have to give the same evidence, and vice versa - that would quickly show the scumbags in their true colours as well as being as fair as you can be in the political spectrum. I didn'...
by m0002a
Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:30 am
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Topic: Voting in America just got a bit harder
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Actually, that was not a personality attack, and I did not call you a name. You asked what the penalty for certain behavior was, and I told you, that in our society, if you do not take the care to understand what someone is saying before responding, they will take your response less seriously. As y...
by m0002a
Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:40 am
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Topic: Voting in America just got a bit harder
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One thing that would go a long way to clean up American politics would be for every accuser to have to provide the same evidence in response for their own accusations. This would get round the problems of Romney and his Tax, and Obama for his Birth Certificate, a bit of a "I will show you mine if y...
by m0002a
Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:21 am
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Topic: Voting in America just got a bit harder
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I just checked my county website for early voting days/hours/locations and found all of this info: The election is on Nov 6th. Voter Registration Requirements (registration is generally a one-time event, not required for each election) In order to be eligible to register to vote a person must: be a ...
by m0002a
Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:24 am
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Topic: Voting in America just got a bit harder
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What kind of country do you live in.? 3-6 months to count votes, I am not asking a single person to do the counting, when there are more votes to count you get more vote counters. In the UK the vast majority of votes are counted, confirmed and re-counted if needed inside 24-hours, and they are NOT ...
by m0002a
Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:29 pm
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Topic: Voting in America just got a bit harder
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aristide1 wrote:Speaking of missing documents, has anyone seen Romney's birth certificate? Or was that business just a black thing?
When all else fails, play the race card.
by m0002a
Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:27 pm
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Topic: Voting in America just got a bit harder
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Re: Voting in America just got a bit harder

That is the single most idiotic thing that I have heard this week... If it weren't for the winner take all Electoral College system of choosing a president, and if we had direct election of the president based on total number of votes across the entire country, it would probably take 3-6 months to ...
by m0002a
Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:14 pm
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Topic: Voting in America just got a bit harder
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The penalty is that you appear foolish and people take what you have to say less seriously. As for instance when you miss the point that the Supreme Court doesn't rule on desirability but on constitutionality. For instance, from the wikipedia article on the case : "It is for state legislatures to w...
by m0002a
Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:41 pm
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Topic: Voting in America just got a bit harder
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You need to do a better job of reading other's posts. Beyonder was saything that the phrase "a more perfect union" implies that this union would be more perfect than some other hypothetical or actual union. Beyonder was suggesting that the union which the constitution was supposed be more perfect t...
by m0002a
Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:32 pm
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American politicians' conspicuous displays of religiosity are a particularly buffoonish form of theater. Some, though, are probably quite sincere. Interestingly, Obama comes across as one of the more sincere. If there was some way to guarantee the truth, I would go all-in that Obama is an agnostic ...
by m0002a
Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:26 pm
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Topic: Voting in America just got a bit harder
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Ok, I guess I have nothing more to say to you on this matter, if you can't understand that the supreme court rules on constitutionality not "good idea"ness. I do understand that. I think the court gave reasons in their opinion that are more comprehensive that I could give. The opinion is a bit too ...
by m0002a
Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:22 pm
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Topic: Voting in America just got a bit harder
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It does already, it might not be written down anywhere but it is a fact that in America right now it would be impossible to be an "out" Atheist and win an election, worse still a "Muslim" - that is an example of the Majority imposing its will on the Minority. Also add to that the fact that all Amer...
by m0002a
Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:50 pm
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Topic: Voting in America just got a bit harder
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I am not trying to persaude you, my experience with you on this board indicates you don't change your mind about anything (btw that is not a compliment.) I am curious as to why you think what you do, and so I'm asking for reasons. You don't give them. Rather responding again and again with the stat...
by m0002a
Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:32 pm
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Topic: Voting in America just got a bit harder
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Stark But, yeah. He's the only one at the national level. I believe Jesse Ventura is an Atheist too, and a quick google got me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culbert_Olson from 50 years ago. I am sure there are a lot of atheists or at least agnostics in government, r...
by m0002a
Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:31 am
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Topic: Voting in America just got a bit harder
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I believe the line " a more perfect union " is actually in reference to the Articles of Confederation , which was the first governing document of the United States. The Constitution replaced it. Not quite. It is in the Preamble of the US Constitution: Preamble We the People of the United States, in...
by m0002a
Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:23 am
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Topic: Voting in America just got a bit harder
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It is in keeping with this modest distinction that the laws of the United States ought to be written to. The question remains, to what end will any given law contribute to the forming of "a more perfect union"? In theory I agree, but if the US Constitution has delegated the states certain rights ex...
by m0002a
Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:39 am
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Topic: Voting in America just got a bit harder
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Ok, you made two statements here. They are both false. You are claiming a law is in the public interest. It is your obligation to show that it is. I am saying it is not. I have stated the costs, you have not shown any tangible benefit. You are wrong that the "integrity of the voting system" is wort...
by m0002a
Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:58 am
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Topic: Voting in America just got a bit harder
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These rights were not granted, they were recognised to be natural and inalienable. In principle, they cannot be taken away, though in fact they can, which is why eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. In a very real sense, rights must be seized and invoked, they cannot be granted. Upon constitu...
by m0002a
Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:22 am
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Topic: Voting in America just got a bit harder
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Re: Voting in America just got a bit harder

Ok, maybe I should rephrase, show me significant voter fraud in the 20 years. I have no obligation to show anything, and even a single instance of fraud is sufficient reason to protect the integrity of the voting system by requiring a photo id. It is almost impossible to prove fraud when there is n...
by m0002a
Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:13 pm
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Topic: Voting in America just got a bit harder
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Re: Voting in America just got a bit harder

Some questions : has anyone ever proposed that voting day be a national holiday, so that more people can vote ? Higher turnout should be a priority for both parties, no ? In about 3/4 of the US states they have early voting, which lasts for about 2-3 weeks prior to the election, sometimes including...
by m0002a
Fri Oct 05, 2012 7:52 pm
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Topic: Voting in America just got a bit harder
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Re: Voting in America just got a bit harder

Facts are facts -- they don't have a point of view. In Pennsylvania, the judge asked the state for any specific cases of voter fraud -- AND THEY COULD NOT PROVIDE EVEN ONE. They wanted to have a law to prevent something that doesn't happen -- and voter ID doesn't actually prevent in-person voter fr...
by m0002a
Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:54 pm
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Topic: Voting in America just got a bit harder
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I have to say that for the most part, this topic is more interesting than I thought it was going to be... about voter fraud (keep the sources in mind when reading) : http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/case_studies_by_state/ http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/voter-id-laws-charts-maps http://ww...
by m0002a
Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:53 pm
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Topic: Voting in America just got a bit harder
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I understand m0002a to be saying that a republic is a moderated democracy. I imagine it similar to a forum online, where a number of moderator's maintain discipline as opposed to a majority rules democracy, where minorities could be prevented from making posts by the vote of the majority. Both are ...
by m0002a
Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:02 am
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Topic: Update | Mummy wants a new computer
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Re: Mummy wants a new computer

Mummy told me she wants a 24" monitor.
by m0002a
Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:31 am
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Topic: Voting in America just got a bit harder
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But it does. It's the point of a democracy : we as a group make a majority decision that the whole group has to follow. And it's true in your daily life : decisions are made by those elected, and whether or not you agree with those decisions, you have to follow them. I believe you're giving the def...
by m0002a
Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:47 am
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Topic: Voting in America just got a bit harder
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Should we let each state decide if they want to have slavery? So no, lifetime removal of voting rights is wrong -- if you want people to want to be a part of society after they have paid the price for their crime, then they must be able to exercise their right to vote. The rule of a democratic elec...
by m0002a
Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:29 am
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Topic: Voting in America just got a bit harder
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The Founding Fathers shouldn't be a reference for a lot of things. They thought the atom was indivisible. I'd be hard-pressed to tell which democracy the Founding Fathers could have referenced with their "rule of the majority". Do you know of any historic (or even contemporary) state that would fit...