Carbon-Fibre Computer Case
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Carbon-Fibre Computer Case
Showed at CES.
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/439/1/
How many more will we see this year, and how many if any will be designed for the quiet/silent computing sector.
I understand that carbon-fibre has excelent sound properties, this should be something to look out for in the future, and once a suitably designed case turns up SPCR will jump on it for a review.
Andy
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/439/1/
How many more will we see this year, and how many if any will be designed for the quiet/silent computing sector.
I understand that carbon-fibre has excelent sound properties, this should be something to look out for in the future, and once a suitably designed case turns up SPCR will jump on it for a review.
Andy
The combination in-between aluminium and carbon-fibre seems interesting, weight kept to a minimum whilst sound properties is bound to be favourable. Price is another matter though; I fear we have to retreat to our wigwams for mental preparations, including zipping some herbal tea whilst figuring out how to convince the girlfriend the benefits of combined aluminium and carbon-fibre…
andyb, thank you for sharing (thumps up)
andyb, thank you for sharing (thumps up)
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I wonder if it is really any lighter than an aluminum case. But who would want to drag around a case that big?
They're probably better served putting wheels and a collapsible handle on it since it's already the size of a suitcase.
In the world of bikes, aluminum frames routinely weigh the same or less than all but the most esoteric carbon fiber frames.
I think its marketeering at work.
Now if this had a monocoque chassis and some drive vibration controls...
They're probably better served putting wheels and a collapsible handle on it since it's already the size of a suitcase.
In the world of bikes, aluminum frames routinely weigh the same or less than all but the most esoteric carbon fiber frames.
I think its marketeering at work.
Now if this had a monocoque chassis and some drive vibration controls...
I was more interested in improved sound properties. That said; carbon-fibre is in-between 30 – 50% lighter then aluminium (depending on its implementation) so weight should therefore be sligthly reduced.ultrachrome wrote:I wonder if it is really any lighter than an aluminum case
.ultrachrome wrote:I think its marketeering at work
bling factor increases sales ; I did mention a purchase?
.ultrachrome wrote:Now if this had a monocoque chassis and some drive vibration controls...
Ah, I miss the summer time. Racing with my 999 with its tubular steel trellis frame...
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I do get your point as I understand your reservations. But being excessive (at times) brings a certain spice and colour to the everyday life; it would become darn boring otherwise.
What a total disappointment. Honestly. Im almost offended. I was expecting something beautiful and classy, and its just a normal full tower which is partly made aout of carbon fibre. yay. whoo.
It will probably be heavier than an aluminium case, CF might be lighter than aluminium at the same thickness but... i guess we will see later. To me it looks like they had to trim off all the excess material from the drive bays just to get the weight down. Who wants to carry a full tower to a LAN Party anyway?(Legit talks about lan parties and it's light weight)
Bike frames for an example, they are made out of aluminium, carbon fibre, steel, titanium and magnesium, the lightest frames made out of each material are about the same weight, they just look very different because of different tube sizes and wall thickness. This does nto have anything to do with a pc case though.
It also has those horrible side vents.
I like the idea of a CF case, i don't like how they did it. They just used CF in the large, flat areas. Even i can make flat, glossy CF in me garage. I just need the mat and a large piece of flat glass.
This is another of those products that could have been great.
It will probably be heavier than an aluminium case, CF might be lighter than aluminium at the same thickness but... i guess we will see later. To me it looks like they had to trim off all the excess material from the drive bays just to get the weight down. Who wants to carry a full tower to a LAN Party anyway?(Legit talks about lan parties and it's light weight)
Bike frames for an example, they are made out of aluminium, carbon fibre, steel, titanium and magnesium, the lightest frames made out of each material are about the same weight, they just look very different because of different tube sizes and wall thickness. This does nto have anything to do with a pc case though.
It also has those horrible side vents.
I like the idea of a CF case, i don't like how they did it. They just used CF in the large, flat areas. Even i can make flat, glossy CF in me garage. I just need the mat and a large piece of flat glass.
This is another of those products that could have been great.
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As much as I expect from the company that brought us the nine hundred and earth watts I guessnightmorph wrote:But what do you expect from the company that brought you the 2-kilowatt PSU?
Point any given company is bound to produce overblown "garbage" at one time or another, exceptions are few.
Lesson never automatically judge a product as shite, ready for the bin on the basis of previous mistakes.
That said;
I am personally looking forward to this chassis; I think its fun that they try something else that reaches beyond the perverted implementation of colourful 120mm fans and meshed grills that cover close to the entire chassis. In terms of its “poorâ€
If they are going to make a carbon fibre case, they could at least make it look more interesting than a full tower from ten years ago. Now it's just like replacing every body panel on a Honda with carbon fibre, sure it's a nice car but it does not make me go ooh. More like blah.
As for looks, i still have not found any case that i would like. I guess a computer case is ugly by nature, and there is nothing i can do about it. Except make my own.
As for looks, i still have not found any case that i would like. I guess a computer case is ugly by nature, and there is nothing i can do about it. Except make my own.
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I don't think these are knee-jerk responses. What is innovative about this case?walle wrote: Point any given company is bound to produce overblown "garbage" at one time or another, exceptions are few.
Lesson never automatically judge a product as shite, ready for the bin on the basis of previous mistakes.
Admittedly it's hard to look at this case as anything more than a cliche with that 80mm side fan.
Hmmm, Carbon Fiber panels on an Aluminium frame attached using what appear to be Aluminium fasteners. This could turn out to be be rather amusing
Whilst it's true that in aerospace carbon composites are becoming increasingly common, it is very uncommon to find them attached using Aluminium fasteners -it sets up a galvanic cell (apparently - this is not really my area of expertise, I merely need to know that it's a bad thing)
Whilst it's true that in aerospace carbon composites are becoming increasingly common, it is very uncommon to find them attached using Aluminium fasteners -it sets up a galvanic cell (apparently - this is not really my area of expertise, I merely need to know that it's a bad thing)
I would think that a computer case would be operated in a dry environment.|Romeo| wrote:Hmmm, Carbon Fiber panels on an Aluminium frame attached using what appear to be Aluminium fasteners. This could turn out to be be rather amusing
Whilst it's true that in aerospace carbon composites are becoming increasingly common, it is very uncommon to find them attached using Aluminium fasteners -it sets up a galvanic cell (apparently - this is not really my area of expertise, I merely need to know that it's a bad thing)
I disagree, hence my reaction.ultrachrome wrote:I don't think these are knee-jerk responses.
I was unaware of claiming it to be innovative, but to accommodate you; apart from the combination in-between aluminium and carbon-fibre, none. The rest is undeniably a tried out cliché.ultrachrome wrote:What is innovative about this case?
I do not contest that, as such there should be no further dispute.ultrachrome wrote:Admittedly it's hard to look at this case as anything more than a cliche with that 80mm side fan.
Operated yes (with the exception of spilt drinks of course) transported (at least in the UK) on the other hand no.Howard wrote:I would think that a computer case would be operated in a dry environment.|Romeo| wrote:Hmmm, Carbon Fiber panels on an Aluminium frame attached using what appear to be Aluminium fasteners. This could turn out to be be rather amusing
Whilst it's true that in aerospace carbon composites are becoming increasingly common, it is very uncommon to find them attached using Aluminium fasteners -it sets up a galvanic cell (apparently - this is not really my area of expertise, I merely need to know that it's a bad thing)
I think I might have sounded too serious; I don't think the case is going to fall apart because of it -it's just that I can see certain people buying this case carrying it uncovered because they want to show it off and then finding corrosion on the wonderful new case. And the look on their faces would be priceless!
New product materials nearly always start off in small segments before anyone makes them mainstream, with PC's there is a strong tradition of starting in the gaming segment.
I dont see any problem with this case being aimed at the gaming market, its an obvious choice, and I would have made the same one. The gaming market is big compared to say: the silencing market. The gaming market is very easy to sell to as well, as the end-user is interested in having something "different" from his/her/its friends, so this case will sell OK.
Apart from that, my point really was, this is the "first", like the first aluminium case this wont be the last, and could have a very good future.
Andy
I dont see any problem with this case being aimed at the gaming market, its an obvious choice, and I would have made the same one. The gaming market is big compared to say: the silencing market. The gaming market is very easy to sell to as well, as the end-user is interested in having something "different" from his/her/its friends, so this case will sell OK.
Apart from that, my point really was, this is the "first", like the first aluminium case this wont be the last, and could have a very good future.
Andy
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They make a case out of expensive, light weight material - so their target market should be weight-conscious consumers, right? Then they produce a very large tower, with space for 12(!) disk drives.
The logic escapes me.
(Well, not entirely - their market is people with more dollars than sense. A good market, if you can tap into it.)
The logic escapes me.
(Well, not entirely - their market is people with more dollars than sense. A good market, if you can tap into it.)
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That would actually be an interesting case to see built. Mobile desk on wheels kinda thing...an LCD mounted on a hinge of sorts...power splitter integral to the beast so all you need is one power cord to run...hmmm.ultrachrome wrote:I wonder if it is really any lighter than an aluminum case. But who would want to drag around a case that big?
They're probably better served putting wheels and a collapsible handle on it since it's already the size of a suitcase.
In the world of bikes, aluminum frames routinely weigh the same or less than all but the most esoteric carbon fiber frames.
I think its marketeering at work.
Now if this had a monocoque chassis and some drive vibration controls...
I understand that carbon composites are actually pretty good at blocking RF frequencies.
However, Ultra aren't selling this as a system, so won't have had to pass all (any?) of the RF tests (the same reason why it took a long time before you could buy windowed prebuilt systems from a manufacturer -a case does not need to be tested in the same way a "system" does -if anyone wants more information on this look up what you have to demonstrate to geta CE mark).
However, Ultra aren't selling this as a system, so won't have had to pass all (any?) of the RF tests (the same reason why it took a long time before you could buy windowed prebuilt systems from a manufacturer -a case does not need to be tested in the same way a "system" does -if anyone wants more information on this look up what you have to demonstrate to geta CE mark).
Carbon Fibre (at least some versions) absorb radar waves,so have use in stealth. Whether this helps with EMI is not certain.|Romeo| wrote:I understand that carbon composites are actually pretty good at blocking RF frequencies.
However, Ultra aren't selling this as a system, so won't have had to pass all (any?) of the RF tests (the same reason why it took a long time before you could buy windowed prebuilt systems from a manufacturer -a case does not need to be tested in the same way a "system" does -if anyone wants more information on this look up what you have to demonstrate to geta CE mark).
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carbon fibre is NOT dense.
sound gets blocked by DENSITY. (or sheer total mass, density is more realistic for a case as walls can only be so thick)
Lead is the ultimate case wall material. Besides like Uranium.
Cheap steel of heavy mm depth dimensions is massively more dense than carbon fibre.
Conclusion: Carbon Fibre sux. 35 dollar antec 3000 series for the win.
sound gets blocked by DENSITY. (or sheer total mass, density is more realistic for a case as walls can only be so thick)
Lead is the ultimate case wall material. Besides like Uranium.
Cheap steel of heavy mm depth dimensions is massively more dense than carbon fibre.
Conclusion: Carbon Fibre sux. 35 dollar antec 3000 series for the win.
I take it then that you have bought and tested one of these cases to declare that "Carbon Fibre sux".
I have an open mind, and I would like to read a "non-bling" "non-overclockers" review, or ideally an "SPCR review". Until then I wouldnt write this case off, or any other Carbon Fiber Case until I have seen a decent review by a decent reviewer.
Carbon Fiber doesnt suck until its been proven too.
Andy
I have an open mind, and I would like to read a "non-bling" "non-overclockers" review, or ideally an "SPCR review". Until then I wouldnt write this case off, or any other Carbon Fiber Case until I have seen a decent review by a decent reviewer.
Carbon Fiber doesnt suck until its been proven too.
Andy
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Carbon fibre is also a lot more stiff then steel. Resonation comes from flexing due to the energy put into it by sound. If a material is very stiff, the sound absorption of it will be low (and therefor also the sound it emits).
Carbon fibre doesn't need to be as dense as steel and I'm not sure if density has so much to do with it. A completely inflexible material will be the most ideal case material, regardless of its density/thickness.
Carbon fibre doesn't need to be as dense as steel and I'm not sure if density has so much to do with it. A completely inflexible material will be the most ideal case material, regardless of its density/thickness.
I have bent carbon fibre that is far weaker than steel, carbon fibre comes in dozens of varieties, just like steel.
I have bent steel that is far weaker than carbon fibre, steel comes in dozens of varieties, just like carbon fibre.
Carbon Fibre should not be ruled out as a case material, even if it is to be used in a composite design like the plastic in a P180/P150.
Andy
I have bent steel that is far weaker than carbon fibre, steel comes in dozens of varieties, just like carbon fibre.
Carbon Fibre should not be ruled out as a case material, even if it is to be used in a composite design like the plastic in a P180/P150.
Andy
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not being sure that density is a factor versus knowing about it is key to this dialogue.
density IS the factor. Mass is actually the one. particles hit mass, fly back, waves hit mass, fly back. resonating materials are ones that are light enough and pure enough to move with soundwaves. A brick wall blocks sounds not because it is thick, but because it has a lot of mass. If you cant make 3 inch walls on your case, you make them dense.
lead is the best case material possible. then you need something to absorb the sound being the case is not sealed and sound will bounce around and then escape.
the word: MASS loaded vinyl. Mass means it blocks sounds. vinyl means it makes great fetish outfits. MLV acts like lead, but has a soft squishy side that absorbs some of the sound from bouncing around.
Carbon fibre is lightweight. Sure, 1 inch of it probably is great but mm to mm comparison no way that a lighter material that is a solid piece of subtance is a better sound blocker. you dont need to check out something that is inherently flawed. Lead, brick, stone, all fantastic materials to make a case out of. aluminum is crappy because it is lightweight. p180 works because it is coated slabs of aluminum, it doesnt want to vibrate. however, it can easily transmit sound compared to cheap 30 dollar case steel. physics is fun except for people that dont like it i guess.
density IS the factor. Mass is actually the one. particles hit mass, fly back, waves hit mass, fly back. resonating materials are ones that are light enough and pure enough to move with soundwaves. A brick wall blocks sounds not because it is thick, but because it has a lot of mass. If you cant make 3 inch walls on your case, you make them dense.
lead is the best case material possible. then you need something to absorb the sound being the case is not sealed and sound will bounce around and then escape.
the word: MASS loaded vinyl. Mass means it blocks sounds. vinyl means it makes great fetish outfits. MLV acts like lead, but has a soft squishy side that absorbs some of the sound from bouncing around.
Carbon fibre is lightweight. Sure, 1 inch of it probably is great but mm to mm comparison no way that a lighter material that is a solid piece of subtance is a better sound blocker. you dont need to check out something that is inherently flawed. Lead, brick, stone, all fantastic materials to make a case out of. aluminum is crappy because it is lightweight. p180 works because it is coated slabs of aluminum, it doesnt want to vibrate. however, it can easily transmit sound compared to cheap 30 dollar case steel. physics is fun except for people that dont like it i guess.