Pentium 4 Extreme Edition, expensive!
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Pentium 4 Extreme Edition, expensive!
Wow, didn't realize the extreme Pentium 4 is over $1000. I would wonder if a Athlon 64 is comparable.
show me the money
newegg has a really low price, only $1025. Too bad they limit 3/customer...
Last edited by Trip on Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:46 am, edited 1 time in total.
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The 'extreme edition' is a futile attempt to stay ahead of AMD that doesn't really seem to work out. It is just a last resort that Intel had to take since Prescot was delayed. I would advice you to stay away from the extrem edition. If you want an Intel and get the very best thing you should wait for Prescot.
If you want the best possible today go with Athlon64 instead.
If money is any concern going for a 'normal' Intel P4 or a Barton seems like a much better choise.
Looking in the rear view mirror we see that a decade ago the top notch processor was at least 100% faster than the cheap budget processor.
Today that gap is lowered to ~50% faster. In addition to this the graphics card becomes more important (at least for gaming etc), so the conclusion
is that spending lots on money on the latest processors are much more of a waste today.
Spending more money on graphics card, more and faster RAM, faster HDD, solid state storage etc seems a lot more resonable.
If you want the best possible today go with Athlon64 instead.
If money is any concern going for a 'normal' Intel P4 or a Barton seems like a much better choise.
Looking in the rear view mirror we see that a decade ago the top notch processor was at least 100% faster than the cheap budget processor.
Today that gap is lowered to ~50% faster. In addition to this the graphics card becomes more important (at least for gaming etc), so the conclusion
is that spending lots on money on the latest processors are much more of a waste today.
Spending more money on graphics card, more and faster RAM, faster HDD, solid state storage etc seems a lot more resonable.
What it might be is that since Intel is going to dominate the performance market with their Prescott series, Intel wants to raise the price bar now. By charging $1000 for the P4 extreme edition, people won't freak when the Prescott comes out for $750 and the top model $1000. That's just my guess...
It's that or they only want to use the extreme edition to appease the "I've got to have the best" Intel only gamers who will pay anything, so they don't loose at Doom III to their AMD gamer nemesis across the street.
Prescott won't affect me though, I'll still be sitting here with my Coppermine, trying to decide between upgrading to a P4 or waiting for the M. I figure just before I upgrade I'll have the computer just as I want.
EDIT: clarity, I have a bad habbit of using too many pronouns...
It's that or they only want to use the extreme edition to appease the "I've got to have the best" Intel only gamers who will pay anything, so they don't loose at Doom III to their AMD gamer nemesis across the street.
Prescott won't affect me though, I'll still be sitting here with my Coppermine, trying to decide between upgrading to a P4 or waiting for the M. I figure just before I upgrade I'll have the computer just as I want.
EDIT: clarity, I have a bad habbit of using too many pronouns...
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No, it just depends if you look at retail or OEM version.Newegg's price went up!
From other posts the general reccomendation is to buy retail.
Looking at the anounced prices for Prescot we can really look forward to a price war at the end of Q1 2004.
Prescot 3.2GHz $278 (in quantities of 1000 I guess) will probably force AMD to lower the price on Athlon64.
Pointless comparison. The P4EE is MUCH faster than the plain old Athlon64.... its the FX51 that competes with the EE.... and *gasp* it costs $800 at Newegg--and motherboards for the A64 FX51 are much more expensive (not to mention requiring registered RAM) than a decent i875 board. So when you break it down.... the FX may enjoy a slight price/performance margin... its not by much. Of course, that's not mentioning that the EE is a heat-producing beast, though.silvervarg wrote:Just checked the prices on newegg.com for fun.
P4 3.2GHz extreme edition retail $1045
Ahtlon 64 3200+ including HSF and ASUS motherboard $529
I just can't see any good reason to buy the extreme edition at the price difference.
The old saying "there's no such thing as a free lunch" is true. Neither AMD or Intel is nearly as stupid as a lot of "all knowing people on the iNtarWeb"..... top-end processors are expensive.
Plus, the "competing" product--a Prescott at 3.4GHz will debut at sub $500 prices in February.
Ahh, the P4 Emergency Edidtion. It was just an Intels quick gap measure agains AMD. Its been anounced two months ago and its finaly hit the retail. AKA Paper launch. But I do aggree about the total cost of the system
P4 EE with normal 875 and non registered ram
AMD FX51 OpteronMB and registered ram
Luckly before Prescot comes out AMD will rerelase the FX on a new platform the 939 pin socket vs current Opteron 940 socet. The new platform will not require registered ram, just plain DDR ram.
For both AMD and Intell, these are just braging rights issues. As both are overpriced with a tad more performace. The problem is that Intel doesn't have that many P4EE's available because of manufacturing problems.
And heat. Try around 100W. Now I wonder if anyone here would be able to cool this quitely?
100W, based on intel is "OK for the desktop" Just an excuse for lack of efficient engineering.
I'm still sticking with my trusty AXP cause I would liek to be able not to hear my system outside the house.
As for the Prescot, anything 3Ghz and above is paper launch. Won't be availabe till 2Q of 2004. Anything below that will be out.
Its almost like politics. Lies, lies, and statistics.
P4 EE with normal 875 and non registered ram
AMD FX51 OpteronMB and registered ram
Luckly before Prescot comes out AMD will rerelase the FX on a new platform the 939 pin socket vs current Opteron 940 socet. The new platform will not require registered ram, just plain DDR ram.
For both AMD and Intell, these are just braging rights issues. As both are overpriced with a tad more performace. The problem is that Intel doesn't have that many P4EE's available because of manufacturing problems.
And heat. Try around 100W. Now I wonder if anyone here would be able to cool this quitely?
100W, based on intel is "OK for the desktop" Just an excuse for lack of efficient engineering.
I'm still sticking with my trusty AXP cause I would liek to be able not to hear my system outside the house.
As for the Prescot, anything 3Ghz and above is paper launch. Won't be availabe till 2Q of 2004. Anything below that will be out.
Its almost like politics. Lies, lies, and statistics.
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Malaysia is second to China, I think.
A couple of points about P4EE pricing that haven't been mentioned yet:
A P4EE is essentially a rebadged Xeon MP, only re-ported to socket 478 instead of socket 603. For that reason alone it has to be priced way above the price of the Xeon. If it were even close to Xeon pricing the Xeon customers would buy it, and the much cheaper and more feature-rich Socket 478 mobo's instead of the Xeons. With the Itaniums DOA, and the Opterons putting up impressive benchmarks, the weary Xeons don't need anymore strikes against them.
Both AMD and Intel have been just chomping at bit waiting for a chance to raise CPU prices. The price wars of the past couple of years have seriously hurt both companies. But neither could unilaterally double their CPU prices midstream. The introduction of new classes of chips gives them the excuse to do so.
A couple of points about P4EE pricing that haven't been mentioned yet:
A P4EE is essentially a rebadged Xeon MP, only re-ported to socket 478 instead of socket 603. For that reason alone it has to be priced way above the price of the Xeon. If it were even close to Xeon pricing the Xeon customers would buy it, and the much cheaper and more feature-rich Socket 478 mobo's instead of the Xeons. With the Itaniums DOA, and the Opterons putting up impressive benchmarks, the weary Xeons don't need anymore strikes against them.
Both AMD and Intel have been just chomping at bit waiting for a chance to raise CPU prices. The price wars of the past couple of years have seriously hurt both companies. But neither could unilaterally double their CPU prices midstream. The introduction of new classes of chips gives them the excuse to do so.
Fmah brings up a good point.
Most (actually all) of the current benchmarking reviews are running the 64bit AMD's against the 32bit Intel's in a 32bit OS, with 32bit apps. On one level you have to do that to be fair, but you're not really comparing apples to apples. If you run real-world apps, such as 3D rendering or video encoding, in a 64bit world on the AMD, the price/performance ratio changes geatly.
Of course there aren't many 64bit apps and OS's yet, but at one time there were 32bit processors and few apps that could all of their features either.
Most (actually all) of the current benchmarking reviews are running the 64bit AMD's against the 32bit Intel's in a 32bit OS, with 32bit apps. On one level you have to do that to be fair, but you're not really comparing apples to apples. If you run real-world apps, such as 3D rendering or video encoding, in a 64bit world on the AMD, the price/performance ratio changes geatly.
Of course there aren't many 64bit apps and OS's yet, but at one time there were 32bit processors and few apps that could all of their features either.
I believe that there is a beta version of Windows XP 64-bit and Internet Explorer 64-bit. For Linux, there's the 64-bit version of RedHat and SuSE.
But other than that, I don't know any other 64-bit programs that can run on Athlon 64. Looks like we've to wait a while before things start to pick up. And it probably won't pick up as fast as the 32-bit programs. Remember Windows 95?
And Hong Kong/China are the largest producer of pirated discs.
But other than that, I don't know any other 64-bit programs that can run on Athlon 64. Looks like we've to wait a while before things start to pick up. And it probably won't pick up as fast as the 32-bit programs. Remember Windows 95?
And Hong Kong/China are the largest producer of pirated discs.
heh, who comes up with those official numbers?
I wouldn't be suprised if that were true of Malaysia, I remember reading that about a quarter of Malaysia is made up of ethnic Chinese; they probably would have brought along their tradition of pirating discs or at least continued close ties with relatives in China who would hold such traditions.
Heh, I read about the Chinese presence in Malaysia in an article about a highly controversial book written by a past Malaysian president. engseng, heh, you probably know what I'm talking about, the guy said some crazy things... (EDIT:he said the chinese were responsible for the booming Malay economy - that the Malay themselves could not have done it on their own, which is crazy)
I wouldn't be suprised if that were true of Malaysia, I remember reading that about a quarter of Malaysia is made up of ethnic Chinese; they probably would have brought along their tradition of pirating discs or at least continued close ties with relatives in China who would hold such traditions.
Heh, I read about the Chinese presence in Malaysia in an article about a highly controversial book written by a past Malaysian president. engseng, heh, you probably know what I'm talking about, the guy said some crazy things... (EDIT:he said the chinese were responsible for the booming Malay economy - that the Malay themselves could not have done it on their own, which is crazy)
Last edited by Trip on Sat Dec 06, 2003 7:12 am, edited 1 time in total.
Wait a minute, the Pentium 4 Extreme Edition is not the Prescott. It's a souped-up Pentium 4 with the 2Mb L3 cache.
The Prescott is supposed to be the Pentium 5, that comes standard with a small heatsink attached to it. And last I heard it's due out in 2005?
p/s: Trip, I'm not really sure what book you're reading, but perhaps it's by ex-Prime Minister Dr. Mahathir (Malaysia doesn't have presidents). And yes, the Chinese form the second largest ethnic group in Malaysia, and I'm a Chinese myself. We do have close ties to Hong Kong and Taiwan, and we do carry down the entrepeneur spirit and opportunistic trait from our ancestors.
The Prescott is supposed to be the Pentium 5, that comes standard with a small heatsink attached to it. And last I heard it's due out in 2005?
p/s: Trip, I'm not really sure what book you're reading, but perhaps it's by ex-Prime Minister Dr. Mahathir (Malaysia doesn't have presidents). And yes, the Chinese form the second largest ethnic group in Malaysia, and I'm a Chinese myself. We do have close ties to Hong Kong and Taiwan, and we do carry down the entrepeneur spirit and opportunistic trait from our ancestors.
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