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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:23 pm
by ozdoc
Brynte
With the desk door, and the accoustipak, the raptor should be silent. If not perhaps some egg crate foam on the wood surround also?

I've left the CPU duct on. Using the BQE edition accoustipak, this required cutting out a square. I also cut out a rectangle of accoustipak covering the VGA holes, but didn't remove the sticky backing to this rectangle, and then put it back into its place after applying the accoustipak. That way it can be removed at any time in the future if needed without sticking.

I'm not fully up to speed on the PCIe connectors on the S12 430. I thought your concerns were more based around it's ability to handle the wattage. I'm not sure if its card dependent, but on the SLI premium motherboard it has one 'ezy' connector, near the first PCIe slot on the motherboard, to supply power if you are using dual VGA cards in a SLI configuration. This is a standard a molex connector.
According to the seasonic pdf, the connectors available on the 430 and 500 are the same except for an extra SATA connector on the 500.
http://seasonicusa.com/images/features/S12-Seasonic.pdf

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:48 am
by brynte
That´s a good idea, about the egg crate foam! It might be a tight fit, but a great alternative for further noise dampening and if I find it necessary, I´ll probably try it!
Thanx for the tip about the accoustipak! I´ll probably try to copy you on that!
Yes, you´re right! My concerns are more based around it's ability to handle the wattage! I was just wondering why they chose to exclude the second PCI-E- cable on the 430w, when they include it with both the 500w and the 600w!??
After reading that pdf, it looks like Seasonic have corrected their mistake and now also include it with the 430w!
Actually I found that ”old” info here on SPCR, in their review of the Seasonic S12 500w and 600w (first page): "Support SLI - PCI-Express X2 - Two 6-pin connectors with sufficient current capacity for PCI-E & SLI systems are provided. This is to ensure gamers get all the bang they need. Only the 500 and 600 are so equipped because they're the models deemed to be high enough power capacity to handle SLI."

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:26 am
by ozdoc
in the name of clarity - more pics needed. I forgot to show the door on initial posting.
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:54 am
by brynte
You´re the man, ozdoc! Thanx a lot for the pics, tips, help...!!!

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:12 pm
by stromgald
hyperq wrote:36 hours? Wow, then these temps are really nice, except the 66C. =)
66ºC is great for passively cooled 6600GT. My passive 6800 non-ultra runs at like 65ºC on idle, and hits 80ºC while gaming without any problems in performance. It seems high, but usually gpus can usually take higher temps than cpu chips. Gigabyte says the max temp for the gpu chips are 100ºC :shock: , so 20ºC less under load is fine for me. I'd only get worried if yours goes past 85 or so.

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:19 pm
by iakovl
how thick is the foam?

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:21 pm
by ozdoc
AcoustiPack - 7mm thick, consisting of a 1-2 mm heavy vinyl type backing layer for resonance dampening, topped with a 5mm closed cell foam.

http://www.acoustiproducts.com/en/acoustipack.asp

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:10 pm
by flarkit
Ack! I can't see your pics and it's driving me around-the-bend. I can see other pics, just not yours. Perhaps our firewall is the cause, unless your picture-host isn't up? :?:

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:17 pm
by ozdoc
Flarkit
Sorry mate. Technical issues I assume with mediainside.com. I can't see them also, and their website is not responding. Give it 24hrs. If its still not up I'll resite them, or can send some pics via PM if you wish.
Maybe SPCR can look at starting it's own media storage site??

Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:12 am
by ozdoc
flarkit - Pics are back in town. I had to resite them to a different host.

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:04 am
by brynte
One more thing I´m curious about: How do you control your fans? I read earlier in this thread, that you´re using speedfan, but are you using something else like Zalmans fanmate...?
Speedfan can´t control all of your fans, right?

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:17 pm
by ozdoc
I had a thermaltake hardcano 13 fan controller all ready to go, but opened the box to find that it had already been used! (all of the temp probe stickies had been used, and wires obviously rewound up, plus the unit wouldn't turn on..)

Now the front and rear fans are left at 7V using the standard molex wiring mod, and the CPU fan connects direct to MB header and does its own thing. I haven't had to adjust speed fan as yet as it is already quiet enough.

Speaking of quiet, I have achieved almost silence.
MY PHANTOM DIED LAST NIGHT. TOOK only 3 WEEKS. ARGGGH! It was suppose to be one of the new ones. Oh well. RMA. Ironically it is only 'almost silence', because the thing is still giving coil whine. :lol:
It appears the name chosen has less to do with phantom 'unheard' noise, but more to do with Mr Walker, the ghost who walks. Jungle legend has it that he lives forever, however we the readers all know that he just gets RMA'd for his son to take over... :P Bit like my Phantom.

Not happy Jan.
End of rant.

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:55 am
by brynte
Ok! That Hardcano looks fine! Too bad it doesn´t come without a cardreader;)
Sorry about your PSU!

Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:58 pm
by flarkit
ozdoc wrote:flarkit - Pics are back in town. I had to resite them to a different host.
Hi

Excellent, that's a lovely rig.

Another question, seeing that you left the sidepanel duct attached: does it line up properly with your CPU? I'm close to arranging a pair of 3000B's for myself and a friend, as we're both upgrading from Socket A to AMD64 in the coming weeks. However, I'd hate to have him cough up US$2,500 only to find that the case is not quite compatible with his new dualcore X2 rig. :roll:

Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:53 am
by ozdoc
Another question, seeing that you left the sidepanel duct attached: does it line up properly with your CPU?
Yes, the CPU duct lines up nicely. I would guess that the majority of SPCR members who own a 3000B are using an AMD 64 CPU.
A pic of the Nexus fan on the XP-120, down the barrel...

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The only problem I could see is if you would be using a larger CPU cooler, such as a Scythe Ninja.
Good luck with your build. We want to see pics!!

Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:24 am
by ozdoc
MY PHANTOM DIED LAST NIGHT. TOOK only 3 WEEKS. ARGGGH! It was suppose to be one of the new ones. Oh well. RMA. Ironically it is only 'almost silence', because the thing is still giving coil whine. Laughing
It appears the name chosen has less to do with phantom 'unheard' noise, but more to do with Mr Walker, the ghost who walks. Jungle legend has it that he lives forever, however we the readers all know that he just gets RMA'd for his son to take over... Razz Bit like my Phantom.
The Phantom is dead, long live the phantom...

The new phantom is now back and installed, and interestingly, with less coil whine than before. My original phantom (may he rest in peace) PSU was definately one of the newer "more reliable" batches, so it seems that they still have possible quality issues. Here's hoping this one survives.

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 2:48 am
by Lliam
brynte wrote:I´m going to use my computer for music recordings, so it´s very important to me, that my new system is as silent as possible, but I also want to use it to play the latest videogames!
For audio read www.rme-audio.com first if considering SLI boards and audio.
Sorry a bit O/T
:?

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:41 am
by sun.moon
Yes, the CPU duct lines up nicely. I would guess that the majority of SPCR members who own a 3000B are using an AMD 64 CPU.
A pic of the Nexus fan on the XP-120, down the barrel...

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I can't help but wondering really how effective the duct actually is when using a 120mm fan on a heatsink. Looking down the barrel you only see a small part of the fan. A large part of the fan is getting its air from outside the perimeter of the duct. Don't you think not using the duct would be just as effective, especially if you have a negative pressure in your case, and all other holes covered? (Of course excluding the primary intake fan). With my SI-120 and 120 Papst at 5V I decided to not use the duct and I have a very nice airflow going through the duct holes.

Since the duct has been designed and speced by Intel, I wouldn't exclude the fact that Intel was only considering their small heatsinks with small fans that would make full use of the duct opening.

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:11 pm
by ozdoc
Don't you think not using the duct would be just as effective, especially if you have a negative pressure in your case, and all other holes covered?
Temps have already posted in another thread:

http://forums.silentpcreview.com/viewto ... 9&start=30


Some temp numbers at idle:

Open Case
Blow CPU 34 MB 36 GPU 66
Suck CPU 37 MB 36 GPU 65

No Air Duct
Blow CPU 36 MB 38 GPU 67
Suck CPU 39 MB 37 GPU 65

CPU Air Duct
Blow CPU 34 MB 39 GPU 69
Suck CPU 39 MB 37 GPU 67

The duct give me a CPU that is a few degrees lower. I'm OK with that.

Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 9:13 pm
by sun.moon
Hey, thanks for that data. I may try out the duct then too. (I assume that the "no duct" measurements still had the holes open at the duct mount?)

How close to the fan does your duct reach?

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:16 am
by ozdoc
ozdoc wrote:
MY PHANTOM DIED LAST NIGHT. TOOK only 3 WEEKS. ARGGGH! It was suppose to be one of the new ones. Oh well. RMA. Ironically it is only 'almost silence', because the thing is still giving coil whine. Laughing
It appears the name chosen has less to do with phantom 'unheard' noise, but more to do with Mr Walker, the ghost who walks. Jungle legend has it that he lives forever, however we the readers all know that he just gets RMA'd for his son to take over... Razz Bit like my Phantom.
The Phantom is dead, long live the phantom...

The new phantom is now back and installed, and interestingly, with less coil whine than before. My original phantom (may he rest in peace) PSU was definately one of the newer "more reliable" batches, so it seems that they still have possible quality issues. Here's hoping this one survives.

Update... one year on.

The Phantom is dead again....

Died this am. That's my second 350W Phantom in 12 months. And Antec don't supply them any more (obviously for very good reasons...).
The cold corpse has been RMA'd back to Antec. The original retailer suggested that Antec would probably replace it with a 500W Phantom, but after my experiences I would be inclinded to ask for a Neo 430W or similar (assuming rev 3, given my ASUS A8N SLI premium motherboard). Any thoughts?

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:43 am
by Trip
zip ties work well for suspensions.

Just forget them and go with a Seasonic or other new PSU :D

Doesn't that keep you from using your comp while you wait for the PSU to come back?

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:27 am
by ozdoc
I ripped an old 330W truepower supply out of one of the kids computers. They are not too thrilled about it. 8)

Unfortunately seasonics are only available in Sydney, and I like the idea of getting a PSU locally in view of my RMA experience.

I finally heard back from the retailer today. Antec won't repair or replace a Phantom 350, but in their generosity will let me 'have' a 500 W Phantom for an extra $50.. (never mind the fact that the 350W cost me more 1 year ago than what the 500 W is worth today..) They have some Neo HE PSUs in, marked A4, serial # starting S0606.. so I presume they should be OK with the ASUS.

Actually not having the power supply wasn't the only ordeal. In effort trying to get it out of the case without removing the CPU heatsink, I managed to deeply gash my hand on the inner workings of the case. ...Required 5 sutures... and being late on a Sunday required self insertion none the less. :shock: :shock:
Blood has been spilt over that PSU!

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 7:54 pm
by Lloyd84
In effort trying to get it out of the case without removing the CPU heatsink, I managed to deeply gash my hand on the inner workings of the case.
And so the great gods of silicon have been appeased. Verily, your sacrifice shall allow another year of trouble free operation, my son.