Corporate Greed Will Now Run the US

[Plissken]

I didn't say the whole campaign should be free -- just the access to the airwaves, which is the single largest cost in a campaign. Sheesh -- please read what I wrote.

I think if you look at the numbers, it is a very small fraction of campaign costs that go to advertising over the public airwaves. Other advertising costs include: cable TV, satellite TV, newspapers, internet advertisements, flyers/poster/signs, etc. Then you have costs for travel, rental costs of facilities, reimbursement of volunteers, security, etc. Even if access to the airwaves is the single largest cost (which I doubt it is), it is tiny compared to the overall costs.

Paying lots of money to have your voice be "louder" than other people is not part of the protection of free speech in our Constitution.

Of course it's not part of the free speech, it's a separate ideal that precludes it. Look to the Declaration of Independence. The people have free will, to do with property (money) as they please. Look how much Forbes wasted on his presidential run. No one is forcing you to spend or not spend on anything. No one is forcing you to listen to them either.

[aristide1]

So fine Snake, have it your way, we'll compartmentalize corporations, because we can't deal with real world results.

So again, everyone in the corporation already had free speech. What part of that statement did you miss? Each person could spend their money as they please. Many corporations are publically owned, so many corporations are spending other people's money when they air their viewpoints, not their own. Did all those people agree to that happening? Did you miss that? Intentionally?

Face it, corporations have far more ability to manipulate sheeple, which is why you stand where you do.

Extra points for using the same vocabulary as a school grade dropout. Or Cheney, whichever you prefer.

I like to break up the monotony of this echo chamber.

Thanks for telling us that having a sense of ethics is a secondary issue for you and that being like BF is the driving theme here.

[xan_user]

everyone in the corporation already had free speech.

Simply put, that is the issue. How can our meager free speech ever be heard over the corpocracy's pay speech given such a ruling?

The corpocracy, now more than ever, gets to multiply their pay speech, not only based on how many employees they "support" (read: layoff early W/O pensions), but also on how many billions they can spend to lobby their vulgar anti human greed biased agendas.

This country has now officially denounced it roots, unless this law is overturned quickly. Even then it will remain tainted until corporations have their powers repealed, are taxed appropriately and are held fully accountable for their behavior.

[NeilBlanchard]

We also need public campaign finance, to keep this core function of our democracy free from the corrupting influence of money.

The Declaration of Independence has no legal standing in our laws. And of course there are limits on how you can spend your money -- you can't bribe public officials, and you can't pay for illegal things. And you have to pay taxes as required to support the function of the country.

When we formed this country, we agreed to abide by the limits that are necessary to protect us all. This is the nature of any society. Get used to it.

[Rucker]

A corporation is an association of individuals,

A corporation is an association of shareholders, and that's who the corporation speaks for/acts in the interest of, not the employees.

[NeilBlanchard]

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut/52 ... _responses

2) "Corporations are legally people. And it makes sense, folks. They do everything people do except breath, die, and go to jail for dumping 1.3 million pounds of PCBs into the Hudson River." --Stephen Colbert, The Colbert Report

4) "Will [the Supreme Court Of The US] give gay corporations the right to marry?" --@mattyglesias

"If corporations have the same rights as people, we need to shut down Wall St., as we shouldn't be buying & selling them." --@Geofutures

[aristide1]

Don't confuse Snake with the facts.

[NeilBlanchard]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-j ... eth-warren

[aristide1]

Neil, to a certain extent the Supreme Court ruling didn't change things all that much because the lobbyists really don't care who is going to suck up to them.

They already own this country, all this, for them, is just a degree of inconvenience.

Does anybody know where in Mexico Jesse Ventura lives? At least they're honest about their corruption.

[aristide1]

A corporation is an association of individuals,

A corporation is an association of shareholders, and that's who the corporation speaks for/acts in the interest of, not the employees.

Is it me or is Snake having a problem with your logic?

3 guesses, first 2 don't count.