Some info on ATI 57xx series cards...

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Some info on ATI 57xx series cards...

Post by RDaneel » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:48 am

Here's some info on these interesting cards. Could they become the new SPCR darlings for midrange performance cards?

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=20537#

http://www.techpowerup.com/index.php?105099#

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/20 ... -near.aspx

If the price points hit $149 and $199, I'll be pretty happy with this level of performance, especially if the idle power draw is very low.

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Post by Meato » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:48 am

Looks like a junk cooler, 6-pin power adapter, and extremely limited supply at launch, on which I'd wager my next paycheck. I'm passing on this round of card launches as well.

I had money set aside after the Radeon 4770 reviews. Then ATI partners produced those stripped down PCBs with crummy heatsinks. I instead bought another HIS 4670 ICEQ.

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Post by ryboto » Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:07 pm

I just want to see performance and power draw. Wait, I know it will destroy my current card, so show me power draw for both. This will probably be what gets me to upgrade if power use scales well vs the 5850/70.
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Post by lechuck » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:11 am

I'd agree with Meato. I look forward to 56x0 series - if they manage to get rid of power adapter and also lower idle power draw, well lower than 4670 that is.

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Post by psiu » Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:49 pm

lechuck wrote:I'd agree with Meato. I look forward to 56x0 series - if they manage to get rid of power adapter and also lower idle power draw, well lower than 4670 that is.
Heck yeah. Waiting for the 5670--in my perfect world it won't require external power, idle at 10W, and have the power of a 4870. 8)
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Post by Meato » Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:15 am

psiu wrote:
lechuck wrote:I'd agree with Meato. I look forward to 56x0 series - if they manage to get rid of power adapter and also lower idle power draw, well lower than 4670 that is.
Heck yeah. Waiting for the 5670--in my perfect world it won't require external power, idle at 10W, and have the power of a 4870. 8)
That is almost exactly what I'm looking for. DX11 support and maybe 5% better performance than the Radeon HD 4770.

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Post by Fred » Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:36 am

I'm also hoping for the 5670... currently i have a passive 3850 and I really want to get rid of the pci-e power cable. :D

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Post by sampo » Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:29 am

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Now just make it passive. You should be looking at 4850/4870 performance with this one.

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Post by Kaleid » Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:17 pm

Very good idle power consumption.

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Post by Meato » Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:03 pm

So, 1008Gflops for the 5750 vs. 960Gflops for the 4770 doesn't bode well for my hopes of 4770 performance from the Radeon HD 5670. Also, with the 5750 drawing 86W at load makes me wonder if ATI is going to spec a power connector for the 5670 even if it comes in under 75W at load. The 4770 has a max load draw of 80W according to ATI. source

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Post by sampo » Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:16 pm

The retail 4770s have max load draw of 90W(cheaper, less efficient design). Anyway the idle draw is huge improvement over previous generation.

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Post by RDaneel » Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:04 am

Wow, 18W idle power consumption? That's pretty impressive. I might be able to get my total system idle consumption down to below 80w, that would be cool

As for the 5750 vs. 5770 differences, it seems like not much in terms of performance. I wonder how the actual manufacturers will position them in terms of clock speed and price and cooling options. If they'll take an Accelero S1, I'm tempted to just get the cheaper card and have a pretty much silent, low power, version of the 4770!

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Post by Entropy » Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:08 pm

Meato wrote:So, 1008Gflops for the 5750 vs. 960Gflops for the 4770 doesn't bode well for my hopes of 4770 performance from the Radeon HD 5670. Also, with the 5750 drawing 86W at load makes me wonder if ATI is going to spec a power connector for the 5670 even if it comes in under 75W at load. The 4770 has a max load draw of 80W according to ATI. source
Well, the cards were stacked against it. The same process, but larger feature set required for DX11 compliance. Although AMD seems to have gotten a handle on idle power now, I don't see how they could do much about load power on the same process. The HD4770 is a pretty spiffy little card - the new middle class cards do bring better bandwidth without overclocking to the table though. But they seem to have higher power draw.

I'd sit tight for a bit until I knew the specifics of the HD5670, or if the HD5850 can be undervolted.

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Post by Kaleid » Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:53 pm

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Post by CA_Steve » Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:04 pm

Looks like performance is just below the 4870 with much much better idle and load power. Also, it looks like the 128-bit memory bus is it's performance choke point. It'll be interesting to see more reviews with OC memory.
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Post by Meato » Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:43 am

19+ reviews linked from Daily Tech.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=16486

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Post by AZBrandon » Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:28 am

There's a whole ton of reviews on these cards now, and from what I'm seeing, it basically breaks down like this:

ATI 5750: Similar performance to 4850, GTS250, but with more features and lower power draw.

ATI 5770: Similar performance to 4870, o/c GTX260, but with more features and lower power draw.

I'm a little bummed not to see any reviews for the ATI 57xx series here on SPCR though. The idle draw for the 5750 is rated at just 16 watts, which is an idle draw that should be better than any midrange video card in a long time, but of course worse than the lower end cards like the 4670. It's been about 6 months now since the last SPCR video card review. I was hoping the 57xx series would be special enough to get reviewed.
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Post by RDaneel » Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:05 am

I bet SPCR will take a look at the 57xx or 56xx series. They're just too good for quiet PCs to ignore!

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Post by The Instigator » Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:34 am

I just got the Gigabyte verison of the 5770 for my new P55 i5-750 system and its extrememly quiet. With a Thermalright Ultra 120 with 120mm Nexus fan, Intel SSD and WD Green 750 gig drive, its more or less inaudible. I played some NFS: Shift at 1920x1080 with 4x AA and all quality options set to high and never even heard the fan ramp up. This was in my Mini P180 with the upper 200mm fan on low and the rear 120mm fan on medium. The card is probably going to be too big for most mATX cases and HTPC cases at over 9".

I definitely feel like this is the card to get for quiet gaming at more normal resolutions while the 5750 will be the HTPC goldmine, especially with the possiilty of passive cooling.

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Post by alecmg » Mon Oct 19, 2009 2:12 am

glad to hear that. Received my XFX 5770 today. Lets hope its not much tradeoff compared to fanless S1 :roll:
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Post by ~El~Jefe~ » Mon Oct 19, 2009 3:25 pm

But, how are the temps?

As I posted long ago and also today: 90 degrees C is not silent, its on fire and dead.

anyone try aftermarket or have a website about what fits etc?

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Post by alecmg » Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:56 am

OK, first impressions
On idle its almost silent. Default 35% fan about 1300rpm and you can hear it, barely, over other slow fans. On 20% and 900 rpm - perfect.
On load fan ramps up fast to keep temps under 70. At 50% starts to disturb even in headphones
Lowered fan manually but experienced some crashes. Will look into it.

Overclocked from 850/1200 to overdrive limits of 950/1445 without a hitch :wink: Probably plenty of room for undervolting on default, too.

Performance is quite good, no comparison with my old 4670
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Post by ~El~Jefe~ » Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:43 am

hm. yeah. that's the same design and planning as my 3870 reference card had.


Does xfx warranty cover people who use aftermarket cooling?

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Post by alecmg » Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:31 am

~El~Jefe~ wrote:Does xfx warranty cover people who use aftermarket cooling?
From what I heard, yes.
And after yesterday I think I will need an aftermarket cooler. S1 doesn't fit I think, same problem as with 4770.
Anything out there that exhausts air out of case?
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Post by mczak » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:01 am

These guys here tested a AC L2 pro on the 5770: http://ht4u.net/reviews/2009/amd_radeon ... ac_l2_pro/
They seemed to like it, quiet, cool and cheap. Cooler will use 3 slots though in total.

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Post by ~El~Jefe~ » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:59 am

That's a really nice mini review.

and, it shows that the card uses only 86 watts about, the identical wattage to my 3870. Idling, my card is almost half that, but I dont care about killing the earth, just my ears.

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Post by CA_Steve » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:12 am

Good review. Looks like a good solution for stock speed. The 5770 has some potential for OC'ing, though...especially on the memory clock to make up for the nerfed channel width. Probably need additional cooling for the VRM and memory.
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Post by mczak » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:43 am

CA_Steve wrote:Good review. Looks like a good solution for stock speed. The 5770 has some potential for OC'ing, though...especially on the memory clock to make up for the nerfed channel width. Probably need additional cooling for the VRM and memory.
Well according to the comments, he didn't apply the supplied little sinks for vrm and ram chips cause he was unable to clean the chips from previous glue stuff and figured they wouldn't stick well.
I think though vrm temperature is uncritical, and at least as long as you don't overvolt looks to me like it should tolerate overclock (at least with ramsinks applied) pretty well. Some people use this cooler with GTS 250 or HD 4850, and while temperature goes up quite a bit it still manages to cool them pretty well (you won't get to the power draw of a 4850 with a 5770, unless you overvolt).
The high vrm temperature (which actually was vrm control chip) and somewhat high ram temperature were both measured on the backside (presumably ram chips and rest of vrm on front are cooler), so cooling them better (well apart from applying those tiny little sinks which, depending on airflow inside the case, might not do much) might be challenging with this cooler.

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Post by ~El~Jefe~ » Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:05 am

Ever lightly touch an ATI mosfet?

Burn the shit outa your finger. With a heatsink on it, of any kind, it won't. Same thing for the ram, quite hot. Any heatsink lowers the temp considerably. gddr5 supposedly is much more efficient however. shrugs. I am planning on overclocking mine with a water setup. It looks like the 5770 would be 30 frames in all games at 1920x1200 with 2x AA if you bumped it up just slightly.

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Post by CA_Steve » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:40 pm

mczak wrote: Well according to the comments, he didn't apply the supplied little sinks for vrm and ram chips cause he was unable to clean the chips from previous glue stuff and figured they wouldn't stick well.
I think though vrm temperature is uncritical, and at least as long as you don't overvolt looks to me like it should tolerate overclock (at least with ramsinks applied) pretty well. Some people use this cooler with GTS 250 or HD 4850, and while temperature goes up quite a bit it still manages to cool them pretty well (you won't get to the power draw of a 4850 with a 5770, unless you overvolt).
The high vrm temperature (which actually was vrm control chip) and somewhat high ram temperature were both measured on the backside (presumably ram chips and rest of vrm on front are cooler), so cooling them better (well apart from applying those tiny little sinks which, depending on airflow inside the case, might not do much) might be challenging with this cooler.
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I guess my concerns are:

VRM: Higher VRM temps means lower efficiency which leads to higher temp... I bet dropping the VRM temps by 20C will reduce the load power by 10W or more.

RAM: cooler RAM leads to higher stock temp OC. In the reviews where the 5770 is inferior to the 4870, pumping up the memclock took care of a lot/most of the differences.

Maybe Thermalright will come out with a compatible VRM cooler for the 5xxx series. They seemed to work well with the 4870/90: x-bit labs review.
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