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what should i buy (i dont do 3d stuf. i do a bit of video editing)

Post by anaturelover » Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:07 pm

hi

yes im interested in you opinion and also what do i need to consider when chosing . for example, my old rig is not win 10 compatible... maybe new low cost parts are not worth it vs used pc?



my mobo broke. at bottom the list of my hardware.

i can eighter buy another mobo (cheapest at 62 us https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000550 ... zDEKm&mp=1 , and get a ssd cause the pc was a bit slow



or buy a used rig. maybe like this one



this one would be my best bang for buck what do you think :HP EliteDesk 600 G1 SFF, i5-4570 3.2Ghz, 8 Go ram, 240 Go SSD, Intel HD 4600 (2GB mémoire vidéo), Win10 230$ +T

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Lenovo thinkcentre M90P SFF, i5-650 , 8 Go ram, 240 Go SSD, Win10 140$ +Tx

HP compaq Pro 4300 SFF, i3-3220 , 8 Go ram, 240 Go SSD, Win10 170$ +Tx

HP EliteDesk 600 G1 SFF, i5-4570 3.2Ghz, 8 Go ram, 320 Go HDD, Intel HD 4600 (2GB mémoire vidéo), Win10 190$ +Tx

Boitier PFX, i5-3470S, 8 Go ram, 240 Go SSD, Win10, 200$ +Tx Spécial

HP EliteDesk 600 G1 SFF, i5-4570 3.2Ghz, 8 Go ram, 240 Go SSD, Intel HD 4600 (2GB mémoire vidéo), Win10 230$ +Tx Spécial

HP EliteDesk 600 G1 SFF, i5-4570 3.2Ghz, 10 Go ram, 480 Go SSD, Intel HD 4600 (2GB mémoire vidéo), Win10 275$ +Tx

Dell Precision T3500, Xeon W3520, 16Go Ram , 2 To HDD 275$ +tx

Boitier Custom Antec, i5-4570S, 8 Go ram, 240 Go SSD, Win10 300$ + Taxes

HP Z400, Xeon X5650 , 16 Go Ram , 1 To HDD, Win10 300$ +tx

HP Compaq Pro 6200, i7-2600, 16 Go ram, 480 Go SSD, Win10 390$ + Taxes



-- or buy a new athlon 3000g with mobo and memory for 450 and use my old psu and case.


here is my old rig
I have 12 gig ram 12.0GB Triple-Channel DDR3 @ 534MHz (8-7-7-20) corsaire dominator cmp12gx3m3a1600c9 999-24 1,65 ver 2,12a 12gb 3x4gb 1600mhz

ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 X58 ATX LGA1366 DDR3 LGA1366 3PCI-E16 PCI-E4 2PCI CrossFire SLI SATA2 Motherboard
319.90

Intel Core i7 920 D0 Stepping Quad Core Processor LGA1366 2.66GHZ Bloomfield 8MB LGA1366 -SLBEJ-
309.79

EVGA 896-P3-1255-AR GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready
 SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
200.49 on new egg.ca

LG GH22LS50 22X/22X DVD+-RW SATA DVD Writer Lightscribe Black OEM
33.00

PRICE MATCH IMPOSSIBLE – EN DESSOUS DEU PRIX COUTANT

samsung f1 spinpoint  1T 32m 103uj


Antec CP-850 850W Cpx Dual Pcb Power Supply Modular ATX12V V2.3 80PLUS Active PFC SLI 120MM Fan


Antec P183 ATX Tower Case Black 11 Drive Bay 4X5.25 1X3.5 6X3.5INT No PS Front USB & Sound

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Re: what should i buy (i dont do 3d stuf. i do a bit of video editing)

Post by CA_Steve » Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:19 am

I wouldn't spend more money on a 12 year old CPU platform.

Here's a couple of benchmark comparisons for your current i7-920 and GTX 260.

Passmark CPU score compares your CPU vs the Haswell i5 in the HP SFF and the Ryzen 3 3200G.

Passmark GPU score compares your GTX 260 vs the integrated gfx in the same two CPUs.

Either provides a big bump in CPU horsepower for a fraction of the power used. On the GPU-side, the integrated Intel has a lower score than your GPU and the AMD is higher. However, they both have a bunch of innovations and hardware accelerators that will make them faster for video editing as well as having much newer implementations of DirectX and also using watts of power for the graphics rather than 180W.

I'm still using a Haswell CPU as it meets my needs (browsing, MS Office, Photoshop, gaming). Of the used systems, the HP you listed seems the best. You might add more RAM if limited in Windows+editing.

The Ryzen w/ integrated gfx are nice as well..and gives you a current gen platform to build around.
Really comes down to $'s you want to spend.
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Re: what should i buy (i dont do 3d stuf. i do a bit of video editing)

Post by anaturelover » Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:36 pm

what best bang for buck cpu mobo could i buy new .
using my old prolimatech megahelm and memory stick with maybe?

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Re: what should i buy (i dont do 3d stuf. i do a bit of video editing)

Post by CA_Steve » Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:56 pm

See above. I don't recommend any more $'s spent on the existing CPU platform. It's obsolete and power hungry.

Figure out what your budget really is and then we can go from there.
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Re: what should i buy (i dont do 3d stuf. i do a bit of video editing)

Post by anaturelover » Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:51 pm

if i go with a investement for a good processor little ram 8 , a mobo and heat sink for cpu in rizen, how much would that cost? i cant find a compatible mobo with pacpartpicker? specify in usd or candplz

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Re: what should i buy (i dont do 3d stuf. i do a bit of video editing)

Post by CA_Steve » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:42 am

Here's a cut at it @ pcpartpicker.
USD pricing
**CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 5 3400G 3.7 GHz Quad-Core Processor] | $149.99 @ Best Buy
**Motherboard** | [Asus PRIME B450M-A/CSM Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard]| $79.99 @ Newegg
**Memory** | [Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory] | $63.99 @ Newegg
| *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |
| **Total** | **$293.97**

You can drop down to the Ryzen 3 3200G for $55 less but you get a nice bump in CPU and GPU performance w the 5 3400G.

The Asus mobo has a nice variety in connectivity. You have to spend more if you want USB C on the back panel and an Intel ethernet NIC and better audio codec. But this is a good baseline.

I priced out 16GB of RAM as it's only $25 more than 8GB..and video editing can consume RAM. This specific RAM is listed on Asus' qualified vendor list.

A couple of other thoughts:
- if you aren't comfortable with debugging PC builds, and want to toss the large case, you might consider a new small form factor PC. AMD's awesome Ryzen 4xxxU should be showing up in some Asus mini PCs in the next month.
- I used a B450 mobo in the component list. The B550 series is out. But, it's brand new and will take a few months for bugs/updates to settle down. Also, not compatible with 3xxxG series processors. the 4xxxG series are probably a fall release. (AMD opted to release the laptop 4000H and U parts first).
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Re: what should i buy (i dont do 3d stuf. i do a bit of video editing)

Post by anaturelover » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:13 pm

CA_Steve wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:42 am
Here's a cut at it @ pcpartpicker.
USD pricing
**CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 5 3400G 3.7 GHz Quad-Core Processor] | $149.99 @ Best Buy
**Motherboard** | [Asus PRIME B450M-A/CSM Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard]| $79.99 @ Newegg
**Memory** | [Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory] | $63.99 @ Newegg
| *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |
| **Total** | **$293.97**

You can drop down to the Ryzen 3 3200G for $55 less but you get a nice bump in CPU and GPU performance w the 5 3400G.

The Asus mobo has a nice variety in connectivity. You have to spend more if you want USB C on the back panel and an Intel ethernet NIC and better audio codec. But this is a good baseline.

I priced out 16GB of RAM as it's only $25 more than 8GB..and video editing can consume RAM. This specific RAM is listed on Asus' qualified vendor list.

A couple of other thoughts:
- if you aren't comfortable with debugging PC builds, and want to toss the large case, you might consider a new small form factor PC. AMD's awesome Ryzen 4xxxU should be showing up in some Asus mini PCs in the next month.
- I used a B450 mobo in the component list. The B550 series is out. But, it's brand new and will take a few months for bugs/updates to settle down. Also, not compatible with 3xxxG series processors. the 4xxxG series are probably a fall release. (AMD opted to release the laptop 4000H and U parts first).
tx for your research, how would you argue for or against this possibility and a 4590 processor and mobo used for i dont know maybe 130 usd? (i can use my old memory i think ddr3).

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Re: what should i buy (i dont do 3d stuf. i do a bit of video editing)

Post by CA_Steve » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:12 pm

for: it's cheaper

against: it's used. That said, my current mobo was bought used. It's a 6 year old platform. Still should work fine w Windows 10. Couldn't say more w/o knowing the model number.

<shrug>

You seem to be torturing the hell out of this decision :)
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Re: what should i buy (i dont do 3d stuf. i do a bit of video editing)

Post by Abula » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:17 pm

In all honesty, unless you are trying to save a lot, you can build a todays pc cheap with ryzen, specially if you do editing it could help you invest a little more and get something that its up to date.
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Re: what should i buy (i dont do 3d stuf. i do a bit of video editing)

Post by anaturelover » Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:21 pm

CA_Steve wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:12 pm
for: it's cheaper

against: it's used. That said, my current mobo was bought used. It's a 6 year old platform. Still should work fine w Windows 10. Couldn't say more w/o knowing the model number.

<shrug>

You seem to be torturing the hell out of this decision :)
hahahayes it is a torture hahaha

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Re: what should i buy (i dont do 3d stuf. i do a bit of video editing)

Post by Olle P » Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:00 am

I'd keep the PSU, case and optical reader. (It's the same that I actually have!)
Get new motherboard (B450 or B550 based, see below), 2x8 GB 3,200 MHz RAM, 1 TB SATA SSD.
As for CPU/graphics I see two options:
1. A Ryzen APU (3000G or better) that you expect to keep for at least a couple of years.
2. An Athlon 2x0GE now, to be replaced with an even better (4000-series) APU (or CPU plus discrete graphics) (with)in about a year.

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Re: what should i buy (i dont do 3d stuf. i do a bit of video editing)

Post by anaturelover » Mon Jul 06, 2020 8:57 pm

CA_Steve wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:56 pm
See above. I don't recommend any more $'s spent on the existing CPU platform. It's obsolete and power hungry.

Figure out what your budget really is and then we can go from there.
hi
what do you think about if i get a 4590 used and and b85 mobo? keep my ram and heatsink psu?

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Re: what should i buy (i dont do 3d stuf. i do a bit of video editing)

Post by anaturelover » Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:00 pm

Olle P wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:00 am
I'd keep the PSU, case and optical reader. (It's the same that I actually have!)
Get new motherboard (B450 or B550 based, see below), 2x8 GB 3,200 MHz RAM, 1 TB SATA SSD.
As for CPU/graphics I see two options:
1. A Ryzen APU (3000G or better) that you expect to keep for at least a couple of years.
2. An Athlon 2x0GE now, to be replaced with an even better (4000-series) APU (or CPU plus discrete graphics) (with)in about a year.
why those (B450 or B550 based?
what do they have special ?
what a bout b85?

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Re: what should i buy (i dont do 3d stuf. i do a bit of video editing)

Post by CA_Steve » Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:05 am

anaturelover wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 8:57 pm
CA_Steve wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:56 pm
See above. I don't recommend any more $'s spent on the existing CPU platform. It's obsolete and power hungry.

Figure out what your budget really is and then we can go from there.
hi
what do you think about if i get a 4590 used and and b85 mobo? keep my ram and heatsink psu?
I already answered this.
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Re: what should i buy (i dont do 3d stuf. i do a bit of video editing)

Post by anaturelover » Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:31 pm

i dont see where ... where or can you rephrase tx

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Re: what should i buy (i dont do 3d stuf. i do a bit of video editing)

Post by Olle P » Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:19 am

anaturelover wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:00 pm
why those (B450 or B550 based? what do they have special?
1. They have the features you need/want.
2. Allows you to do a significant upgrade within the next two years, if desired/needed.

A bit more thought point straight at the B450, since most B550 won't support the suggested CPU.
anaturelover wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:00 pm
what a bout b85?
As Steve pointed out above: It's an old platform! You'll overspend on a dead end with very low performance!
My suggested options will give you better price/performance.

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Re: what should i buy (i dont do 3d stuf. i do a bit of video editing)

Post by CA_Steve » Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:10 am

CA_Steve wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:12 pm
for: it's cheaper

against: it's used. That said, my current mobo was bought used. It's a 6 year old platform. Still should work fine w Windows 10. Couldn't say more w/o knowing the model number.

<shrug>

You seem to be torturing the hell out of this decision :)
1080p Gaming build: i5-4670K, Mugen 4, Asrock Z97 Anniversary, MSI GTX 1660 Gaming X, 8GB 1866 RAM, Samsung 860 Evo 500GB, Crucial MX100 256GB, WD Red 2TB, Samsung DVD burner, Fractal Define R4, Antec True Quiet 140 (2 front + rear) case fans, Seasonic SSR-550FX. 35W idle, 45-55W video streaming, 170-200W WoW, 318W stress test (Prime95 + Furmark)

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