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How not to build a system...

Post by merovingian » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:01 am

Haha, How not to build a system by Mike from silent review...

At least it looks quiet.

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Post by qviri » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:13 am

Huh?
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Post by merovingian » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:47 am

He's running a 3500+ on a dfi board first of all. Either that chip needs to be a 3000+ or that mobo needs to be an asus premium coupled with a 3200+. That is if you know how to OC at all.

4GB of value ram? I'm not going to ask what for.

Then there is the issue of the raid 0. I'm sure it's cause he needs 148GB of application drive space cause raid 0 doesn't help your speed in real world performance.

It's looks really quiet though! :D

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Post by EvoFire » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:48 am

Same reaction with qviri, "huh?"
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Post by sthayashi » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:11 am

merovingian wrote:He's running a 3500+ on a dfi board first of all. Either that chip needs to be a 3000+ or that mobo needs to be an asus premium coupled with a 3200+. That is if you know how to OC at all.

4GB of value ram? I'm not going to ask what for.

Then there is the issue of the raid 0. I'm sure it's cause he needs 148GB of application drive space cause raid 0 doesn't help your speed in real world performance.

It's looks really quiet though! :D
It reads like a respectable Photoshop workstation. What's your beef with that?
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Re: How not to build a system...

Post by Ralf Hutter » Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:08 am

merovingian wrote:Haha, How not to build a system by Mike from silent review...

At least it looks quiet.
Here's a snippet taken from the page in your link:
the authors of the review wrote:The system was not built with ultimate quiet as a target, but rather, high performance, stability and reliability at up to 30°C ambient room temperature — and very low noise.
Main Box: Intel i3-3225, Intel DH77EB, 16GB Corsair RAM, 256GB Samsung 830, SS360GP PSU, CM PS07 case.
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Post by nutball » Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:43 am

merovingian wrote:He's running a 3500+ on a dfi board first of all. Either that chip needs to be a 3000+ or that mobo needs to be an asus premium coupled with a 3200+. That is if you know how to OC at all.
What if you don't want to overclock?
4GB of value ram? I'm not going to ask what for.
4GB value RAM v. 512MB 1-1-1-1-CAS0 RAM v. Photoshop. Your point being?
Then there is the issue of the raid 0. I'm sure it's cause he needs 148GB of application drive space cause raid 0 doesn't help your speed in real world performance.
RAID0 doesn't help you real-world performance either. It might help your benchmark performance (=> biggest e-peen) but it doesn't help your real-world performance. Not as much as 4GB RAM, at least.

News flash: There's more to life than overclocking, CAS delays, and blue LEDs.

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Post by jackylman » Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:27 am

EvoFire wrote:Same reaction with qviri, "huh?"
Tally up one more, "huh?"

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Post by CX23882-19 » Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:35 am

huh?

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Post by merovingian » Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:58 am

huh?

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Post by alglove » Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:35 pm

merovingian wrote:huh?
Well, at least we are all in agreement now! :P

Actually, merovingian *did* point out that RAID 0 does not help real world performance. Thing is, I don't think MikeC ever said anything about a RAID 0 array. He just had 2 Western Digital 10k Raptors in there, probably just to prove the point that they *could* exist in a fairly quiet computer.

Now, if somebody wants to make a RAID 0 array out of them, well... that's their problem! :wink:

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Post by lenny » Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:26 pm

As you probably discovered by now, bashing MikeC is not a good idea on this forum. If you insist on doing it, however, you should get the facts straight at least.
merovingian wrote:He's running a 3500+ on a dfi board first of all. Either that chip needs to be a 3000+ or that mobo needs to be an asus premium coupled with a 3200+. That is if you know how to OC at all.
A 3500+ AMD64 Winchester is a 2.2 GHz socket 939. AFAIK the DFI LanParty nF4-Ultra D supports it. Perhaps you're confusing it with the Athlon XP?

The article doesn't mention anything about RAID 0. Besides:
alglove wrote:Now, if somebody wants to make a RAID 0 array out of them, well... that's their problem! Wink
My sentiments exactly.

As for 4 GB of RAM, I'd rather spend the extra $200+ somewhere else. But it'll make a good sized RAM disk. And again see quote from alglove.

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Post by alglove » Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:26 pm

lenny wrote:A 3500+ AMD64 Winchester is a 2.2 GHz socket 939. AFAIK the DFI LanParty nF4-Ultra D supports it. Perhaps you're confusing it with the Athlon XP?
In merovingian's defense, I am pretty sure that he realizes that the Athlon 64 3500+ and the DFI LanParty nF4-Ultra D do go together. I think he was just pointing out that the 3500+ may not be the best place to start if you want to overclock, looking at it in terms of "bang for the buck".

The same thing probably applies for the 4 GB value RAM. Not necessarily ideal if you want to overclock and have tight timings, but much more useful if you are manipulating huge files in Photoshop. It all comes down to relative priorities.

Something tells me that merovingian may fall into the following category: :wink:
There is a stronger case for the Phantom 500 for the inveterate, power-hungry gamer who seeks a quiet PC. There are lots of such folks floating at SPCR these days; yes, even gamers are starting to hear the call of the silence siren. These PC users still want to run a thermally extreme system -- something like dual >75W VGA cards in a loaded high power system with a CPU that draws >100W.

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Post by merovingian » Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:25 pm

You guys are awesome!

When I first signed on the the board I was in this jerk mood and I was thinking that it was such a newb forum, sorry. So I helped a few people and messed with a few people. And some people got all pissed off and cause I didn't think I wanted to stick around anyway didn't really care.. But now I like it and people have this impression. :lol: Heh, sucks huh? That's what I get I suppose. :oops:
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Post by ~El~Jefe~ » Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:52 pm

cheers. yeah great.

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i wouldnt buy you a drink. no cheers for you.

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Post by lenny » Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:48 pm

merovingian, you've certainly had a very busy couple of days posting here :-)

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Post by merovingian » Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:06 pm

Heh, yup! It's been a blast, people are constantly trying to buy me drinks and have been so friendly it's like I can never leave. :wink:

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Post by DarKSynergy » Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:14 pm

The 3500+ chips are great overclockers, especially the Venice cores. Venice is an overclocker’s word for God; they are amazing and almost completely idiot proof. I had my last chip, a 3500+ Winnie up to 2.75 GHz stable. My RAM, mobo and sub-par memory controller on my chip were holding me back, I am sure that 2.8 was doable with better components. I know a 3200+ would be better "bang for your buck" but the 11 multi is worth a little extra change when you’re overclocking. At least to me it is. As far as the DFI's are concerned, there is no better overclocking board out there than the DFI's......once you get used to their extremely in depth BIOS.



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Post by merovingian » Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:03 am

Welcome to the boards. I agree the DFI board is a great board, so great that it really doesn't make a difference whether you get a 3500+ or a 3000+.

Anyway, Mike is the board admin and seems pretty cool and knows a heck of a lot about keep your computer hush.

Again, welcome to the boards. :D

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Post by merovingian » Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:30 pm

DarKSynergy wrote:The 3500+ chips are great overclockers, especially the Venice cores. Venice is an overclocker’s word for God; they are amazing and almost completely idiot proof. I had my last chip, a 3500+ Winnie up to 2.75 GHz stable. My RAM, mobo and sub-par memory controller on my chip were holding me back, I am sure that 2.8 was doable with better components. I know a 3200+ would be better "bang for your buck" but the 11 multi is worth a little extra change when you’re overclocking. At least to me it is. As far as the DFI's are concerned, there is no better overclocking board out there than the DFI's......once you get used to their extremely in depth BIOS.



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How is the 11 multi help you over the 10 multi? Your clocking over 3.3Ghz? :shock: I'd like to see that. :D

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Post by ronrem » Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:59 pm

I don't do games. My machine has to be an audio and graphics workstation-so I like that 4 GB of massive ram,the possibly stock clocked 3500. Since There's no OC for me,the DFI is not the Mobo I'd want. The Raptors would fly-fer sure-but an SATA 2 Spinright 200 gb is quick-way cheaper-way quieter...and I'd spend the diff on a high end soundcard

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