proposed mATX system:
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proposed mATX system:
Hi guys, it's me again. Another year, another hankering for a new machine.
I wonder if this is doable on 300w?
mobo: ABIT NF-M2 nView mATX
65W- cpu: AMD Athlon64 X2 4200EE
cpu-fan: Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 PWM
ram: 2x Corsair ValueSelect 1GB PC2-5300 DDR2 SDRAM
82W - video: XFX 7950GT Extreme 512MB
hd: WD 250GB Caviar WD2500KS SE16 7200rpm SATA
optical: Plextor PX-755SA SATA
case: Antec NSK3300 w/ 300W PSU
case fans: 2x 92mm Nexus, 1x 120mm Nexus @5v
usb1: APC 750VA UPS
usb2: Xbox 360 controller
usb3: Logitech joystick
usb4: powered USB hub in LCD monitor
Updated post with the 2 power draw numbers I found for the CPU and video card. I'll do some more research. Thanks.
Ran http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine and it suggested 335.
I wonder if this is doable on 300w?
mobo: ABIT NF-M2 nView mATX
65W- cpu: AMD Athlon64 X2 4200EE
cpu-fan: Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 PWM
ram: 2x Corsair ValueSelect 1GB PC2-5300 DDR2 SDRAM
82W - video: XFX 7950GT Extreme 512MB
hd: WD 250GB Caviar WD2500KS SE16 7200rpm SATA
optical: Plextor PX-755SA SATA
case: Antec NSK3300 w/ 300W PSU
case fans: 2x 92mm Nexus, 1x 120mm Nexus @5v
usb1: APC 750VA UPS
usb2: Xbox 360 controller
usb3: Logitech joystick
usb4: powered USB hub in LCD monitor
Updated post with the 2 power draw numbers I found for the CPU and video card. I'll do some more research. Thanks.
Ran http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine and it suggested 335.
Last edited by rei on Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:57 am, edited 4 times in total.
Re: proposed mATX system:
yes and by a wide margin. in the sticky "Read before posting!" in the PSU forum the following is stated:rei wrote:I wonder if this is doable on 300w?
"6. How much power do I need? One of the most often asked questions, most PCs need less power than you think. See the discussion of this in the Recommended PSU page. There are many threads, the most relevant being How much will a 300w power supply run?"
study more, test the new search-facility.
While this is one of the most accurate PSU calculators on the 'net, it still gives estimates which are much too high, sometimes by 50% or more. Nice build, main noise problem will probably be the GFX card?Ran http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine and it suggested 335.
scaling back power ambitions a bit. it'll hurt with gaming but i have to de-emphasize the urge to spend 2x on video card for 50% improvement. i currently use a 7800gt (20w idle to 56w load) but a 7600gt downgrade won't be TOO bad.
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html
to improve the power draw, i've decided to change:
mobo: Intel Desktop Board DG965SSCK ($40 more expensive than the Abit)
cpu: Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 ($20 more than the 4200)
video: GIGABYTE GV-NX76T256D-RH silentpipe ($198 vs $389)
the cpu draws considerably less at load than the EE 4200 and video card draw goes down from 50idle-82load to 14idle-35load. i just hope the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro fits in the NSK3300 case!
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html
to improve the power draw, i've decided to change:
mobo: Intel Desktop Board DG965SSCK ($40 more expensive than the Abit)
cpu: Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 ($20 more than the 4200)
video: GIGABYTE GV-NX76T256D-RH silentpipe ($198 vs $389)
the cpu draws considerably less at load than the EE 4200 and video card draw goes down from 50idle-82load to 14idle-35load. i just hope the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro fits in the NSK3300 case!
here's the damage in canadian $
$150 Intel Desktop Board DG965SSCK
$210 Corsair XMS2 TWIN2X PC2-5400 2GB
$220 Gigabyte GV-NX76T256D-RH or
$240 Asus EN7600GT Silent/2DHT/256M/A
$220 Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E6300
$090 WD 2500KS 250GB Caviar SE16 7200rpm SATA II
$100 Antec NSK3300
this is sort of optional, well, the case fans can be added with minimal hassle.
$140 Plextor PX-755SA SATA
$040 Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro
$020 Noctua NF-S12 120mm 800RPM case fan
$020 Nexus Real Silent 92mm case fan
$020 Nexus Real Silent 92mm case fan
does anyone know how quiet the stock intel fans are?
$150 Intel Desktop Board DG965SSCK
$210 Corsair XMS2 TWIN2X PC2-5400 2GB
$220 Gigabyte GV-NX76T256D-RH or
$240 Asus EN7600GT Silent/2DHT/256M/A
$220 Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E6300
$090 WD 2500KS 250GB Caviar SE16 7200rpm SATA II
$100 Antec NSK3300
this is sort of optional, well, the case fans can be added with minimal hassle.
$140 Plextor PX-755SA SATA
$040 Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro
$020 Noctua NF-S12 120mm 800RPM case fan
$020 Nexus Real Silent 92mm case fan
$020 Nexus Real Silent 92mm case fan
does anyone know how quiet the stock intel fans are?
Wait... so when SATA Burners come out full swing, u won't be able to install windows with them? Or use them in general?
Have fun with ur build.
A lot of ppl here reco cheapie PSU's. I feel uncomfortable recomending them. I spend a lot of $ on hardware and disregard the <3 of the system... nono in my book.
I'd rather spend a bit more and buy something s lil better than what I need and be SAFE.
You also can't look at total wattage. You have to see how many watts are on the 12v line. How many amps are on the 12 line as well. Given most ppl probably don't run heavy machines but quality is always important. There are decent PSU's out there for $40 and under.
Have fun with ur build.
A lot of ppl here reco cheapie PSU's. I feel uncomfortable recomending them. I spend a lot of $ on hardware and disregard the <3 of the system... nono in my book.
I'd rather spend a bit more and buy something s lil better than what I need and be SAFE.
You also can't look at total wattage. You have to see how many watts are on the 12v line. How many amps are on the 12 line as well. Given most ppl probably don't run heavy machines but quality is always important. There are decent PSU's out there for $40 and under.
some SATA controllers on some chipsets don't let them boot properly w/o firmware updates. some even with firmware updates.
some recognize but don't burn properly. at all.
the intel chipsets all appear to be strictly compatible. the nvidia nforce 430 MCP chipsets do not seem to burn.
pity, i wanted the thinner sata cable to help with airflow. looks like i'll pick up a cheap liteon ide burner.
there are no mainstream sata burners from what i can tell apart from the plextor ones.
some recognize but don't burn properly. at all.
the intel chipsets all appear to be strictly compatible. the nvidia nforce 430 MCP chipsets do not seem to burn.
pity, i wanted the thinner sata cable to help with airflow. looks like i'll pick up a cheap liteon ide burner.
there are no mainstream sata burners from what i can tell apart from the plextor ones.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6827106047
hmm.
heh, this literally appeared a few hours ago. almost ordered it immediately then remembered the nforce compatibility issue :/ at least with plextor. going to wait to hear back from liteon support.
looks like it's on their website now too:
http://us.liteonit.com/us/index.php?opt ... &Itemid=67
hmm.
heh, this literally appeared a few hours ago. almost ordered it immediately then remembered the nforce compatibility issue :/ at least with plextor. going to wait to hear back from liteon support.
looks like it's on their website now too:
http://us.liteonit.com/us/index.php?opt ... &Itemid=67
Last edited by rei on Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:43 pm, edited 2 times in total.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Are you sure???
PLEASE send link. I'm feinding to end IDE...
H buddy had no problem with his. Look at this link
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1114607
Are you sure???
PLEASE send link. I'm feinding to end IDE...
H buddy had no problem with his. Look at this link
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1114607
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Hey, thanks for the great find. I'll have to get one of these on down the road to complement my existing Samsung IDE burner. Too bad this wasn't around in October; cable management would have been so much easier!rei wrote:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6827106047
hmm.
heh, this literally appeared a few hours ago. almost ordered it immediately then remembered the nforce compatibility issue :/ at least with plextor. going
to wait to hear back from liteon support.
Out of curiousity, what nForce issues are you referring to? Do they extend to the nForce500 motherboards, such as nForce570 for socket AM2? I Googled a bit and couldn't find anything in particular, aside from various Windows driver-related problems with the chipset. (Non-issue in my case; I run Linux.)
I'm rather surprised to see a SATA optical drive at such a low price. Hopefully the build quality of this one is better than Lite-on's past offerings. No reviews on it anywhere, though...of course.
scroll all the way to the bottom, nightmorph:
http://www.plextor.com/english/support/ ... isting.htm
http://www.plextor.com/english/support/ ... isting.htm
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Ahh, it's a Plextor thing. Nothing that I'll ever worry about. Thanks for pointing it out.rei wrote:scroll all the way to the bottom, nightmorph:
http://www.plextor.com/english/support/ ... isting.htm
yeah, i'm aware. if i have to, i can track down that seasonic sfx 350w one.
the only other case i'd consider are the inwin matx cases (i've had 3 in the past) but the don't have room for fans at the front and poor airflow.
i like the look of this one and its size. the nsk4400 is just too tall. i have an x-qpack right now.
the only other case i'd consider are the inwin matx cases (i've had 3 in the past) but the don't have room for fans at the front and poor airflow.
i like the look of this one and its size. the nsk4400 is just too tall. i have an x-qpack right now.