$500-ish Photoshop Machine

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sean000
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$500-ish Photoshop Machine

Post by sean000 » Thu May 01, 2008 8:57 am

First off...this is such a great site! I've been building and repairing computers... and working in the IT industry for over 12 years. I've been a fan of quiet and efficient computers for quite some time, and it's great to see them finally getting some recognition. In the past I've built myself mostly moderately priced gaming rigs with dedicated video cards. At the time I didn't pay attention to noise and built some pretty loud machines. Well times have changed... these days I use my home computer mostly for my digital photography hobby. So my 3D graphics requirements are not what they used to be, but now it's all about the RAM and fast hard drive(s).

A year ago my wife and I moved across the country and bought a house, so with the new house payments I can't build a dream machine. I gave my old desktop to my sister, so I've actually been using a Sony Vaio Core duo laptop with 2GB of RAM for the past year, supplemented by an external hard drive for storage. This laptop actually runs Photoshop CS2 and Nikon Capture NX reasonably well... better than my old aging desktop did. I figure for $500 (not including display) I should be able to build a new desktop that is even better.

Of course there are photo enthusiasts out there who insist on spending thousands on their desktop computers, but many of these are professionals who spend hours every day processing images. If they can spend more money to get a machine that shaves a few minutes off large batch processing jobs, or 30 seconds off running a complex set of actions on a multi-layer Photoshop file, it's worth it to them. I'm an amateur. I do this for fun, so I don't have to squeeze every last bit of performance out. Of course faster is better though ;-)

This machine will be in a small office with hard wood floors, so I'd like it to be very quiet... not necessarily silent, but at least very quiet. Based on similar machines I've seen here and offered by companies like EndPCNoise, I figure the following configuration is a good place to start:

The big question I had on my mind at first was whether to go with onboard video or a dedicated card. Onboard seems like the coolest and quietest way to go, and it seems that dedicated video cards don't offer dramatic advantages for Photoshop and Capture NX. I haven't bought a computer game in years, but if I ever do decide to give a new title a whirl I can easily add a dedicated video card if I need to.

Antec Solo Case with Nexus NX-8040 PSU
ASUS M2A-VM HDMI AM2
Athlon 64 X2 4800
4GB RAM (running XP Pro 32-bit, so could be just 3GB)
Scythe Mine B CPU Cooler
Running single 120mm fan in the back (as long as that keeps things cool at low speeds)

I already have a DVD burner and a spare 400GB SATA drive. I will probably purchase an additional hard drive to help spread out the swap file, Photoshop scratch disk, storage, etc. I'm not going to get all obsessive though and run three or four drives like Adobe recommends for max performance though. Again... I don't need blazing photoshop performance... just very good photoshop performance. Most of the time I'm just processing Nikon RAW NEF files from a 10MP DSLR (Nikon D200). Sometimes I'll work with a Photoshop file with a lot of layers that add up to 50MB or larger... but usually no more than a few layers.

I don't need HDMI either, but this board seems to be well-regarded and stable. It is also kind of old, so maybe a more up to date board like the Gigabyte 780G GA-MA78GM-S2H? I've read this newer chipset consumes more power, runs hotter, and still needs a bios update or two before it will be completely stable. I could also go with a motherboard and video card option... but that might generate more heat and end up costing more. I'm okay with a single IDE interface (the HDDs will all be SATA).

Any suggestions or recommendations that won't cost me more than $400-$500 for the parts I need to purchase? Suggested RAM combinations that won't break the bank for a given motherboard are also helpful. Mushkin and Corsair seem to be running some good prices at the moment. It seems like most "budget" configurations I've seen reviewed and discussed add up to more like $800 or so for these parts. Even if I could talk my wife into letting me spend more right now, I like the challenge of building a good solid $500 digital photography box.

I've been doing a lot of research, but I don't keep up with hardware the way I used to. Building computers used to be practically a hobby for me, and now it's something I do when I need one. I probably won't overclock (or underclock) this system. I'm mainly looking for good performance, solid stability, and quiet unobtrusiveness. If it's not quiet enough for me as configured, I'll add some additional dampening, replace the rear fan, etc.

Thank you,

Sean

yaler
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Post by yaler » Thu May 01, 2008 9:26 am

If you want the same speed but cooler you can pick up the 4850e for about 15 dollars more than the 4800. Might need a bios update before you install it on your board though?

sean000
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Location: Bellingham, WA USA

Post by sean000 » Thu May 01, 2008 12:43 pm

Thanks for the suggestion Yaler... I'll look into that.

I found a similar discussion here:
viewtopic.php?t=45251


This discussion sort of confirmed what I thought: For a $500 Photoshop system it's probably pretty hard to beat the AMD integrated graphics. A dedicated video card will certainly improve 3D performance, but for Photoshop the money is better spent on CPU, RAM, and hard drive. And I can always upgrade to a dedicated video card in the future.

Sean

PS: I've been upgrading and building computers since about 1993, and I'm just amazed at what $500 will get you these days. Budget computers used to be useless for anything beyond word processing and Web browsing. Today a budget computer can include 4GB of RAM and a 500GB HDD! Geez...I can remember saving money so I could upgrade 386sx from 4MB to 8MB RAM!

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