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My new i5 system decided advice welcome :)

Post by karkee » Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:11 am

Hej hohoho:)

After alot of researching and building machines for friends its time to build my own, any advice is welcome! Keep in mind the machine will be used for daily use of inet, photoshop, office some light gaming(cs & wow) and movies. Keep in mind the build has to be really silent :)

CPU : Core I5 750
CPU Cooler : Noctua U12P-SE2 ( I really like the mounting system noctua has, and it aint that much below the prolima imo ).
CPU Fan: S-flex-E 1200rpm @ 5V
Mobo : GigaByte P55-UD4 (I don't really want/need USB3, advice welcome)
Ram : Corsair 8GB (4x2)
GPU : 5750 fanless (either the club3d or powercolor, if anyone has some reviews of these its more then welcome)
PSU : Seasonic x-650
HD : Corsair xtreme series 128GB
Case : Antec P183 or Antec solo (not sure yet, advice welcome)
Case fans : Rear slipstream 800rpm @ 5v , Top Sflex E 1200 RPM @ 5V

Greetz and happy newyear! :)

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Post by hybrid2d4x4 » Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:07 am

Those are some good component choices by and large, but I would like to draw your attention to the Corsair SSD you have listed: it uses a lousy controller compared to the competition which means slow random writes/reads and stuttering potential. I recommend going with either an (2nd generation)intel-based or indilinx barefoot-based SSD. Some of the latter group include the OCZ Vertex and Agility series, Patriot Torqx, G.Skill Falcon, Supertalent Ultradrive ME.

On the case front, I'm a big fan of cases that give the PSU its own chamber and the 183 goes very well with the over-sized Antec PSU (don't recall the model, i'm thinking CP-850 or so) which is very highly rated on here and very reasonably priced for its wattage.

EDIT: Just noticed one more thing: 800rpm fan @ 5V. Verify that this thing will actually start at that voltage, as the 800 S-Flexes had a high starting voltage- well over 5V.

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Post by CA_Steve » Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:52 am

It's a nice selection.

+1 regarding changing out the SSD.

What resolution do you plan to game? The 5750 will probably run WoW fine as it's not a high spec game. The 5770 will give some legroom.

Your power use will be in the 150W range when gaming, ~80W idle. So, not a lot of heat to dissipate. Either case will work fine.

Memory: Look at the mobo layout and make sure you can fit both the cpu cooler/fan combo and all 4 slots of RAM.

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Re: My new I5 system decided advice welcome :)

Post by cb95014 » Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:11 pm

karkee wrote:Case : Antec P183 or Antec solo (not sure yet, advice welcome)
Case fans : Rear slipstream 800rpm @ 5v , Top Sflex E 1200 RPM @ 5V
Both of these are great cases.

For me it comes down to whether the P183's:
a) extra bit of sound deadening &
b) ease of access to the filters

is worth the:
1) hassle of the door
2) extra cost
3) larger size

The Solo's EZ-suspension for one or two HDDs is also a nice plus. FWIW, I use a P182 for my main workstation, but generally use the Solo for most builds.

Regarding the fan, I used to undervolt the 1200 RPM Scythe, but switched to the 800 RPM models. I guess I am getting lazy. :D

+1 on changing to a better SSD. I use the X25-M G2 for the OS, but 80 GB is pretty limited for an all-in-one drive, and the 160 GB cost is outrageous.

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Post by karkee » Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:29 pm

Hej guys,

Thanks for the adivce there your indeed right on the SSD I will check the agility series from OCZ I think.

For the wow gaming part im using 1680 atm on a 20" samsung lcd that I plan to replace aswell with a 22", my friend has really nice fps with the 5750 but yea the 5770 could give me some more room ill think about that. But on the other hand I don't want to add much noise the 5750 looks really sexy on that part.

About the P183, I just think its still the best case but the CP-850 I really don't like when I used it in my friends PC. It did have a weird ticking noise from the fan running at low speed.

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Post by CA_Steve » Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:32 pm

karkee wrote: For the wow gaming part im using 1680 atm on a 20" samsung lcd that I plan to replace aswell with a 22", my friend has really nice fps with the 5750 but yea the 5770 could give me some more room ill think about that. But on the other hand I don't want to add much noise the 5750 looks really sexy on that part..
Either will work well at 1680x1050. Just adjust the gfx quality as suited.

The 650W PSU is a bit over the top for your power requirement. Your system idle power will be maybe 65W DC and load (with WoW) maybe 120W DC...you'd have to be doing some serious quad core processing and gaming to get the power past 200W DC. Take a look at the x-650's efficiency vs load chart. ~86.6% at idle and 88% at gaming load.
The recently reviewed Nexus NX-5000 is about 82% and 83% efficient at the same loads. This turns into 4W less efficient at idle and 8W at load (WoW). The Nexus costs ~$100 US, the Seasonic ~$169 US. If you played WoW 24/7 for a year, the Seasonic would save you about $8 US. So, payback for efficiency would take 9 years. :D

The little Nexus Value 430 is about 76.5% efficient at idle and ~81.5% at load (WoW); so 10W less efficient at idle and 11W at load (WoW) and it costs ~$80.

Noise-wise, they are about the same at 150W and less. The Value 430 starts ramping up after that.

Anyway - if it's about being as power efficient as possible, go for the Seasonic. O/W, I'd lean toward the Nexus NX-5000.

Ok, that was far too much info. :shock:

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Post by cb95014 » Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:48 pm

CA_Steve wrote:The 650W PSU is a bit over the top for your power requirement. Your system idle power will be maybe 65W DC and load (with WoW) maybe 120W DC...you'd have to be doing some serious quad core processing and gaming to get the power past 200W DC. Take a look at the x-650's efficiency vs load chart. ~86.6% at idle and 88% at gaming load.
The recently reviewed Nexus NX-5000 is about 82% and 83% efficient at the same loads. This turns into 4W less efficient at idle and 8W at load (WoW). The Nexus costs ~$100 US, the Seasonic ~$169 US. If you played WoW 24/7 for a year, the Seasonic would save you about $8 US. So, payback for efficiency would take 9 years. :D
But you don't get the cool velvet bag with either of the other PSUs!!! :D

FWIW, our marginal electricity cost is >3x the national average, so the payback would only be 3 years. :lol:

I wish we could get the Seasonic design at 450W. This would be completely passive under virtually all operating conditions, but probably 90+% efficient at ~150W. Unfortunately, I don't think there is a market for a product like that. :cry:

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Post by karkee » Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:28 am

The parts just came I will post some pics later on :)

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Post by karkee » Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:31 am

Well my first problem already is a hard one, the club3d fanless GPU gets WAY to hot, under furmark load test I almost got 90°. using antec 183 and 2 sflex 1200 at 7v and one slipstream at 7v. will have to look at some other quiet vga solutions :/

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Post by cb95014 » Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:55 pm

karkee wrote:Well my first problem already is a hard one, the club3d fanless GPU gets WAY to hot, under furmark load test I almost got 90°. using antec 183 and 2 sflex 1200 at 7v and one slipstream at 7v. will have to look at some other quiet vga solutions :/
Just zip-tie a ~500 RPM 120mm fan to the top or bottom of the club3d. The cooler should be OK (looks very similar to an S1), it just needs some air. Even a small amount makes a huge difference.

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Post by CA_Steve » Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:12 pm

+1 on zip tying the fan to the cooler.

Take one of your existing fans and try it.

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Post by danimal » Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:46 pm

karkee wrote:Well my first problem already is a hard one, the club3d fanless GPU gets WAY to hot, under furmark load test I almost got 90°. using antec 183 and 2 sflex 1200 at 7v and one slipstream at 7v. will have to look at some other quiet vga solutions :/
what was the temp at idle?

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Post by karkee » Fri Jan 01, 2010 4:43 am

like 50°, I ziptied a scythe slipstream at 500rpm now I get 28idle and like 60 load or so in furmark

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Post by karkee » Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:31 am

One more problem or well I would like to know if its normal but because my system is so silent I heard something I never did before. When I boot up I hear like some schrrrrcttt "scratch sound" coming from or around the CPU, should I be worried or is this normal? It dissapears as soon as I get in win7

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Post by CA_Steve » Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:47 am

the hamster wheel needs greasing?

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Post by karkee » Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:08 am

its not a fan :(

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Post by cb95014 » Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:33 am

Glad to hear that the fan helped! 60C under FurMark seems adequate. :D
karkee wrote:When I boot up I hear like some schrrrrcttt "scratch sound" coming from or around the CPU, should I be worried or is this normal? It disappears as soon as I get in win7
I really doubt this is a problem. My machines make a racket during power-up.

Does the sound continue if you are in - for example - BIOS setup, or boot into DOS? If so, then it might (?) be something to do with power management, where the board's CPU power circuits resonate under full load before the OS kicks-in. I've seen people complain about noisy power conditioning circuits, but I've never heard this myself. Does it happen during an OCCT run?

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Post by karkee » Fri Jan 01, 2010 1:43 pm

Seems to come from the motherboard but can only hear it when I get close to it during the boot up, some capacitator probably near the CPU?

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Post by JamieG » Fri Jan 01, 2010 4:34 pm

karkee wrote:Thanks for the adivce there your indeed right on the SSD I will check the agility series from OCZ I think.
FWIW, Corsair's Extreme Series SSDs use an Indilinx controller too - see here.

It is their Performance series that uses a Samsung controller. As long as you go for a Corsair X128 SSD rather than a P128 SSD, you should be fine.

OCZ has pretty good support though and they release firmware updates more frequently than most other manufacturers using Indilinx controllers in their SSDs.

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Post by karkee » Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:46 pm

cb95014 wrote:Glad to hear that the fan helped! 60C under FurMark seems adequate. :D
karkee wrote:When I boot up I hear like some schrrrrcttt "scratch sound" coming from or around the CPU, should I be worried or is this normal? It disappears as soon as I get in win7
I really doubt this is a problem. My machines make a racket during power-up.

Does the sound continue if you are in - for example - BIOS setup, or boot into DOS? If so, then it might (?) be something to do with power management, where the board's CPU power circuits resonate under full load before the OS kicks-in. I've seen people complain about noisy power conditioning circuits, but I've never heard this myself. Does it happen during an OCCT run?
I did some more testing and found out if I use the gigabyte sata controller the squeeky sound aint there, when I use the P55 sata controllers (any of them) just before you get the windows sound it makes a weird eletronical noise. Should I be worried or?

Btw I bought the corsair x128gb series, its really nice imo :)

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Post by vatan007 » Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:09 pm

Hey kark,

I am building a quiet pc myself, and trying to decide on components.
You have a system that seems a lot like mine.

I was wondering a couple of things: The first is, that i'd like to see some pictures of your fans setup, i don't understand how it is looking like... a fan blowing up from under the 5750?

I was also wondering..... maybe i could get away with just two fans: one intake, and one exhaust.... in total! the power supply would be a Silverstone ST45NF, 450Watts passively cooled one (would this be enough for that i5 and 5750 under heavy gaming?). The cpu cooler would be the same as you have, the Noctua U12P-SE2 but without any fans - I hate them. I would think that two slowly rotating fans could be enough to pull and push out the warm air in the case,.... Why haven't i seen this setup?

What's your advise? Ande... good selection. How much did you pay? Also, where are the pictures? Very interested.

And for everyone else.... what fanless systems (or otherwise absolute 0db sound creation) are there for quality gaming orientation??

I dont see none,... This should be possible in 2010 i would say.

Looking forward to your pictures...

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Post by karkee » Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:15 am

Hej well a gaming system always will require cooling :)

The P183 with 3 slow fans doesnt add any noise and is enough to cool a decent gaming system. The noctua cooler with a 1000/1200 rpm fan undervolted runs my I5 at 50° load.

About the 5750 its a fanless club3d version but it got way to hot without a fan blowing on it, I will change later on when I play newer games to a 5870 or 5850 with TTpro

will post some pics later on :)

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Re: My new i5 system decided advice welcome :)

Post by stromgald » Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:19 pm

karkee wrote:Hej hohoho:)

After alot of researching and building machines for friends its time to build my own, any advice is welcome! Keep in mind the machine will be used for daily use of inet, photoshop, office some light gaming(cs & wow) and movies. Keep in mind the build has to be really silent :)

CPU : Core I5 750
CPU Cooler : Noctua U12P-SE2 ( I really like the mounting system noctua has, and it aint that much below the prolima imo ).
CPU Fan: S-flex-E 1200rpm @ 5V
Mobo : GigaByte P55-UD4 (I don't really want/need USB3, advice welcome)
Ram : Corsair 8GB (4x2)
GPU : 5750 fanless (either the club3d or powercolor, if anyone has some reviews of these its more then welcome)
PSU : Seasonic x-650
HD : Corsair xtreme series 128GB
Case : Antec P183 or Antec solo (not sure yet, advice welcome)
Case fans : Rear slipstream 800rpm @ 5v , Top Sflex E 1200 RPM @ 5V

Greetz and happy newyear! :)
I'm actually planning a similar upgrade of my desktop system to an i5 750 in about three months (when my Windows 7 RC starts whining). A couple recommendations I have:

1) If you don't need all the features of the P55-UD4 board from Gigabyte, why not get the UD2 or UD3? Personally, I'm probably going to get the UD2. I don't need USB3 or SATA3, so there's not much benefit at all to going to the more expensive UD4.

2) 650W is way too much for your system. Even systems with two high end graphics cards max out around 450W. I'd recommend at most 500W for single GPU systems. Even two 5750s in crossfire won't overly tax to a 500W PSU. I'm planning on keeping the Antec 3480's stock PSU (380W) for my i5 system (single 5750, 2 HDDs, 1 DVD burner, 1 wireless NIC, 4GB RAM).

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