Yonah (Dual Dothan) worth waiting for?
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Yonah (Dual Dothan) worth waiting for?
So far Intel tells us that the awaiting dual-core Yonah chip will be based on the current Pentium-M lineup, the Dothan. Supposively this will help achieve higher performance in a category that happen's to be the Dothan's achilles heel: Multimedia applications.
I still don't know what socket the chip will sit on, but I just don't like the idea of the 775 since it just seems like a bad design. The current socket 478 low-profile socket seems like the perfect size for mobile use. The LGA775 just seems too....... bulky. But nevertheless, if it has to come out for 775, so be it.
Does anyone think Intel would ruin it though? Like when Intel introduced the Northwood replacement, the Prescott? Are they going to make changes that will upset the community? Is it worth putting off the single-cored mobile giant for? I have a brand new 750 sitting in its box, waiting for a motherboard to sit on, but now that the Yonahs are coming closer and closer I don't know what I should be using instead.
Stick with the Dothan? Or wait for the Dual?
I still don't know what socket the chip will sit on, but I just don't like the idea of the 775 since it just seems like a bad design. The current socket 478 low-profile socket seems like the perfect size for mobile use. The LGA775 just seems too....... bulky. But nevertheless, if it has to come out for 775, so be it.
Does anyone think Intel would ruin it though? Like when Intel introduced the Northwood replacement, the Prescott? Are they going to make changes that will upset the community? Is it worth putting off the single-cored mobile giant for? I have a brand new 750 sitting in its box, waiting for a motherboard to sit on, but now that the Yonahs are coming closer and closer I don't know what I should be using instead.
Stick with the Dothan? Or wait for the Dual?
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I doubt Intel will screw Yonah up, isn't it just two Dothans shrunk to 65nm and stuck together? I don't think there are really any achitectural changes. Maybe a few small tweaks, but nothing major.
Prescott's problem was it's very long pipeline. IIRC it had like 31-stages, compared to 21 for Northwood. This was necessary to increase frequency, but is less efficient than a shorter pipeline. I'm sure to keep Yonah power friendly they will stick with a shorter pipeline, as this seems to be the more efficient design. Keep in mind they aren't going for pure GHz w/Pentium-M, whereas this was the goal for Pentium 4 (they had mentioned early in it's life that it was supposed to scale to 10GHz or something crazy like that).
So yeah, I'd definitely wait for dual core Dothan. Also I think I've read that they're staying with S479.
Prescott's problem was it's very long pipeline. IIRC it had like 31-stages, compared to 21 for Northwood. This was necessary to increase frequency, but is less efficient than a shorter pipeline. I'm sure to keep Yonah power friendly they will stick with a shorter pipeline, as this seems to be the more efficient design. Keep in mind they aren't going for pure GHz w/Pentium-M, whereas this was the goal for Pentium 4 (they had mentioned early in it's life that it was supposed to scale to 10GHz or something crazy like that).
So yeah, I'd definitely wait for dual core Dothan. Also I think I've read that they're staying with S479.
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Actually, I just looked up, yeah, it seems like Yonah still sits onthe original socket, and still seems like low-power consumption. I find interesting that the two cores is on the same die, shares the same bus and L2 cache. This is good, as this is not REALLY a two-core cpu, it's just a more perfect Dothan for multitasking! WOW! I love that. I guess single core dothan for now, and upgrade next year.
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whats going to be the difference though? The way the 2 cores work together?
The last thing I want them to do is to keep pushing the FSB upwards, consuming more and more power. I thought 533FSB was a good place to cut off for Dothan, and I didn't expect the Yonah to up it that much. Now that it is, I will just say that I don't want to see 800FSB Dothan-descendents.
The last thing I want them to do is to keep pushing the FSB upwards, consuming more and more power. I thought 533FSB was a good place to cut off for Dothan, and I didn't expect the Yonah to up it that much. Now that it is, I will just say that I don't want to see 800FSB Dothan-descendents.
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The Dothan is great, but its flawed when it comes to processing multimedia, like video encoding and mp3 encoding. The dothan is SCARILY superb in terms of overclocking and gaming capabilities, but unfortunately I do multimedia AS MUCH as I do gaming, therefore I wanted also a Yonah, to kind of fill up the media gap that the Dothan has right now.
I guess waiting for the Merom could serve 2 purposes, one is to see if it's good, and the second is to drop the Yonah's price. I guess I'm gonna be using the dothan for another while then!
I guess waiting for the Merom could serve 2 purposes, one is to see if it's good, and the second is to drop the Yonah's price. I guess I'm gonna be using the dothan for another while then!
It seems to me that what's needed to go with Dothan is actually a media coprocessor, which it seems to me could be far more efficient than Netburst at doing media tasks. I've often wondered about such a device (in the form of a 3GIO card I would think) but don't know if any with such a broad remit actually exist.
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at such a great cost to Intel, I think they'd rather do something simple like increase the overall processing speed of a processor, and realease it as a new chip to sell for more money. I kind of think Intel is like Windows. Every revision requires new components to go with it and it's always just as expensive and we are expected to pay for that. AMD on the other hand is like Linux. We don't pay much for the supporting hardware. We do that only when we hit huge earthshaking changes to the processor.
With every chip revision Intel demands new northbridge standards. AMD uses the same stuff for alot of their cores and THEN switches to the next things.
With every chip revision Intel demands new northbridge standards. AMD uses the same stuff for alot of their cores and THEN switches to the next things.
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you have a dothan...
the dothan with an overclock keeps up with most fx series processors for games. and, it doesnt get hot, and doesnt require a lot of wattage.
the boards cost a lot, the heat sink and fans seem to not be great for them, etc. but, if I had one, I would keep it for a year easy from now. UNLESS:
you havea 1.6 dothan. then out I would chuck it. 2.13 ghz dothan right now I feel is the best chip on the market.
2.0 dual core amd i guess is fine as well. shrugs
odd choice for someone who spent so much on a dothan and a board. youd think they would get a 4200?
the dothan with an overclock keeps up with most fx series processors for games. and, it doesnt get hot, and doesnt require a lot of wattage.
the boards cost a lot, the heat sink and fans seem to not be great for them, etc. but, if I had one, I would keep it for a year easy from now. UNLESS:
you havea 1.6 dothan. then out I would chuck it. 2.13 ghz dothan right now I feel is the best chip on the market.
2.0 dual core amd i guess is fine as well. shrugs
odd choice for someone who spent so much on a dothan and a board. youd think they would get a 4200?
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Yeaaaa the thing is I spent a little under $300 CAD for this little 750 fella and I have setup info to turn it into a 3.3Ghz monsta. I think that beats the stock FX55, rated at more than $1.4K. I'm settling with a CT-479 I purchased from here (THANKS SPCR) and a ASUS P4P800-E-Dlx board I'm grabbing off eBay. I'm saving a hair under a thousand even w/o taking into account of the motherboard required for the FX, that is also up par with ASUS's quality. As for the X2, well, if it weren't so expensive and if I didnt get my Dothan for such a great deal, I might have concidered it.~El~Jefe~ wrote: 2.0 dual core amd i guess is fine as well. shrugs
odd choice for someone who spent so much on a dothan and a board. youd think they would get a 4200?
I guess I'll wait anyways. I just realized, my P4 2.0's multimedia capability is still well... acceptable for now. And seems like the Dothan can only be better, even if it isn't good, but as long as its better than the P4 I have it will do for now.
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Single core Opteron 939 starts at $111.
Dual core Opteron 939 starts at $278.
Pentium M starts at $209.
Dual core Opteron 939 starts at $278.
Pentium M starts at $209.
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I have absolutely no idea. In games, PM is a bit faster clock for clock (at least compared to single core), and runs cooler. Opteron overclocks better and cost less, and it got the famous memory controller and is superior at scientifical calculations. It also got 64 bit extensions that I still don't care about, and it's available as dual core.
When i'm looking at a PM 750 for $241 and a Opteron 165 for $278 the choice is easy. I'd go for the Opteron just because it got so much more, and the only downside is that it runs hotter. Since it's single versus dual core they're not comparable though. PM is more like the very best of old school (Athlon XP, P3) CPU's, before they started adding technologies like hyperthreading, dual core, integrated memory controller, 64-bit, HTT. This doesn't make PM a bad processor, but it's still from a different generation.
When i'm looking at a PM 750 for $241 and a Opteron 165 for $278 the choice is easy. I'd go for the Opteron just because it got so much more, and the only downside is that it runs hotter. Since it's single versus dual core they're not comparable though. PM is more like the very best of old school (Athlon XP, P3) CPU's, before they started adding technologies like hyperthreading, dual core, integrated memory controller, 64-bit, HTT. This doesn't make PM a bad processor, but it's still from a different generation.
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Dude, not being a fan boy and all, but the current chipset for the P-M isn't gonna last and you are gonna have to replace the whole lot once you upgrade. While the AMD is gonna stay on one northbridge. I think that NF4 is gonna stay for awhile considering some people are still using NF3 chipsets.
Either ways, A64 X2 on socket 939 is the best right now. Its way easier to implement than a Dothan, none of that ghettoness of a adapter. Also free to change for whatever cooler you want.
Either ways, A64 X2 on socket 939 is the best right now. Its way easier to implement than a Dothan, none of that ghettoness of a adapter. Also free to change for whatever cooler you want.
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LoL, well my CT479 and the M750 is already HERE. And I basically spent $220 getting that set. That's a really good price already (I think) and I'm not about to give that up to spend an even greater amount on a X2 right now.
I know the whole set needs to be swapped, I pointed it out earlier. That just means I'm getting a 2nd computer when the Yonah comes out. Although, the comp might NOT be a Yonah. It'll depend on the c/p ratio of the market at the time. If more promising chips rival the Yonah, then, screw it! After getting the new comp, I'll pass the Dothan to my cousin or something.
I know the whole set needs to be swapped, I pointed it out earlier. That just means I'm getting a 2nd computer when the Yonah comes out. Although, the comp might NOT be a Yonah. It'll depend on the c/p ratio of the market at the time. If more promising chips rival the Yonah, then, screw it! After getting the new comp, I'll pass the Dothan to my cousin or something.
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the 750 can be overclocked up to 2.4 without heating up the house.
and when it is, it is an insane gamer chip.
Really, PM is the best chip out there, it just was crushed by intel because it didnt want to lose face with its moronic oem and system builders and corporations as it pushed p EE and the 500 series. which suck.
the 2.13 ghz Dothan I feel is the best chip made currently. it's an all arounder that doesnt use a lot of heat, yet can oc to pass fx57 in a game. on air. with less wattage.
too bad intel didnt charge so much for it. board makers might have jumped on it.
and when it is, it is an insane gamer chip.
Really, PM is the best chip out there, it just was crushed by intel because it didnt want to lose face with its moronic oem and system builders and corporations as it pushed p EE and the 500 series. which suck.
the 2.13 ghz Dothan I feel is the best chip made currently. it's an all arounder that doesnt use a lot of heat, yet can oc to pass fx57 in a game. on air. with less wattage.
too bad intel didnt charge so much for it. board makers might have jumped on it.
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