Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:00 pm
Maybe keeping it on topic, guys and girls? I didn't expect this kind of Spanish inquisition just because I told you what the Cell was...
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Nobody expects the Spanish InquisitionMats wrote:I didn't expect this kind of Spanish inquisition just because I told you what the Cell was...
Whee, that's a really difficult one! I mean seriously, it's obvious that the guy who has been working on the Cell and who is working for IBM would surely tell the absolute objective truth to such a selected and tight-lipped audience! And to make it better that information will never be disclosed publicly so it has to be the truth! </sarcasm>jaganath wrote: Can you give me a remotely plausible reason why a PhD would lie in a presentation intended solely for University of Texas electronics students?
Not lie per say, just be full of shit. (couph couph couph ahem) Having grown up in Los Alamos (one of the highest PhDs per capita in the world) I can tell you that PhDs tend to rely on these things called theories. Unfortunately they tend to be blindsighted to the fact that things don't always behave as they do on paper.jaganath wrote: Can you give me a remotely plausible reason why a PhD would lie in a presentation intended solely for University of Texas electronics students?
jmke wrote: check out the mounting; all coolers which use the CLIPS system like the stock cooling (Freezer / HR-01 / etc..) will work fine with the new socket.
also I won't be too surprised to see a slightly changed mounting bracket which allows all others coolers to be installed on the new AMD CPU too.
Maybe I'm reading it wrong but it seems to me that AT disagrees with you.AnandTech wrote:While the spacing width of the center mounting lug is the same on both the current cage and the AM2 version, that's about all that is the same. Most current basic designs connect with the center lug and have push down cam locks that lock onto the extra lug near the cage corners. There are no extra lugs on the new AM2 cage, so designs that require cam locking won't work. Neither will most of the "step-up" 3 lug mounting clips. AM2 only has one lug per side, and the 3-lug clip is normally intruding on the new screw locations (just a little too wide) to mount on the new AM2 cage.
Why do you think there is a sticky thread about tin snips? They can fix (almost) everythingAnandTech wrote:Neither will most of the "step-up" 3 lug mounting clips. AM2 only has one lug per side, and the 3-lug clip is normally intruding on the new screw locations (just a little too wide) to mount on the new AM2 cage.
"...our primary weapons are fear and surprise! No, wait..."
Good point! ...and that's the reason we'll never see MacOS on an Intel platform.Tibors wrote:There is a simple reason we won't see the Cell on the desktop. It is called legacy software. MS (and all other companies) won't go and rewrite their software for this non-x86 processor. So it would be limited to Linux and therefore (alas) not commercially viable.
As this is a bit OT in this thread I'll keep it short. You can choose believe whatever he says but that is somewhat naïve. IBM has been promising fast speeds for its PPC line before and failed to keep those promises. Sony has been overhyping the performace of both previous Playstations.jaganath wrote: So my problem with the conspiracy theory is:
A ) it insults his intelligence
B ) it insults our intelligence for thinking that we will fall for it and/or that we would not be appropriately sceptical of new information.
Put it another way: can you disprove that the Cell will have the characteristics that he claims it will have?
Hear hear!mellon wrote:As this is a bit OT in this thread I'll keep it short. You can choose believe whatever he says but that is somewhat naïve. IBM has been promising fast speeds for its PPC line before and failed to keep those promises. Sony has been overhyping the performace of both previous Playstations.jaganath wrote: So my problem with the conspiracy theory is:
A ) it insults his intelligence
B ) it insults our intelligence for thinking that we will fall for it and/or that we would not be appropriately sceptical of new information.
Put it another way: can you disprove that the Cell will have the characteristics that he claims it will have?
There is absolutely no way for me to disprove anything as the Cell is physically not available to consumers in any form but that really doesn't mean that I should believe anything that is said about Cell automatically. You don't believe everything said in TV as-is even if you don't have the resources to prove them wrong do you?
I hope this didn't insult your intelligence too much
Years of hearing about marvelous technologies that end up not being very impressive at all. It's extremely rare that new hardware lives up to the hype, if it even materializes at all. I'm sure we all want it to be true, but some are more jaded than others. Now where did I put my VR goggles..?jaganath wrote:I guess the difference is I want to believe it's true and you guys don't. Why that is I couldn't possibly say....
Mr Evil wrote:Now where did I put my VR goggles..?
This is the SILENT forum...not te OVERCLOCK TILL IT GLOWS forum. Unless I'm gonna play Doom for money,I'm not sure I'm doing anything that justifies the power difference between a Venice 3200 and an X2 4600. I don't type fast on the Keyboard,and my brain can't keep up with an old Celeron. I guess it would be cool to convert an 800 mb audio file 2 minutes faster but that's when I go to the kitchen for a snack,or a coffee.McBanjo wrote:Then it isn't good old one, just old oneanaqer wrote:Because the 'good old one' may not be good enough anymore...? Keeping in mind the (supposedly quite a bit) higher TDPs for the M2 processors, I don't think you'll really want to hold on to whatever you have at the moment.McBanjo wrote:Why buy a new one if you have a good old one?
Assuming it still works and still is good. Doubt Ninja will have trouble handling that extra heat for example.
Not sure TDP will go up since they'll be using a smaller manufactoring technic (45nm?). I'm guessing tho. It'll probibly go up some but that might cancel out some of the raise of TDP
Performance in the CPU will rise and you'll be using DDR2 so thats some performance as well. Don't know if you gain anything else in the socket itself. Probibly thojaganath wrote:Why would you get an M2 processor if the TDP is worse and the performance not much better than current S939 procs?
AM2 is not equal to 65 nm process, it will take a year before we'll see 65 nm CPU's showing up from AMD. Until then AMD need headroom for upcoming 2.67 and 3.00 GHz dual core FX CPU's, simple as that. It doesn't mean that TDP must go up for every single model compared to the S939 counterparts, even though a possible faster HTT might need a little extra juice (still don't know if it will be 200, 333, or 400 MHz).ronrem wrote:If M2 does not use the 65nm process for LESS heat,but only for even more speed overkill...but heat/noise worse than a Prescott, I'd be doing my next rig with a plain Sempron.
Welcome to last year(?). OEM only though.ronrem wrote:I'd heard there is a future Sempron on the 939.
Or, shall I say, no. When M2 launches there'll be M2 Semprons too. 65nm shrink only in late 2006 or 2007. Way after M2 launches.ronrem wrote:When the mainstream moves on to M2,Sempron will graduate to 939 and you can bet there will be a process shrink to 65nm before long.
Not outright 'crap', just woefully inadequate for the desktop - if you want the details, I suggest you hit Ars or Anand for last year's write-ups on Cell. The gist of it is that as good as it may be for certain tasks, you just don't want to run Windows & Co. on a heavily FPU-biased inorder processor. (A revised Cell 'Lite' may be ok for media centers though.)jaganath wrote:OK, I know what you're really trying to say is "It's cr@p and I already know why", so why don't you go ahead and explain why the Cell will be a disappointment rather than this kind of cryptic comment.
Bump and going back to this... I am still not decided. Unlike the US, the Ninja is not inexpensive over here (i.e. it cost almost as much as the Zalman 9500 before you add a Yate Loon/Nexus to it).TooNice wrote:Umm, I am building a new system. As much as I am tempted by the Scythe Ninja, would it be better if I stick with the stock cooler (since I am building a retail chip anyway), until newer coolers/AM2 compatible revisions of the coolers are released?).