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Envy007 wrote:Very nice, where's the TPM?
Not to rain on your parade, but this is something to consider with AM2, the Trusted Platform Module is on there, Vista will use it, and you will be restricted on all sides with your vids, music, etc.
Maybe i'm being to pessimistic here, but it's something to take into account.
Intel and AMD are both a member of the group supporting TPM so Intel will also implement TPM as soon as possible.Poodle wrote: Good point I knew that but almost forgot about it. I hope the crackers will figure something out. Will the socket for the conroe also have TPM?
Just think of it as the voltage regualtion is split up 8 ways, which means the power load on each VRM device is less, but without knowing the quality of the VRM's themselves it's just marchitecture.jaganath wrote:Can someone remind me what this is and why it's good? I think it has something to do with the power to the VRM's?and 8PHASE POWER!
BrianE wrote:Well assuming TPM isn't going to be a huge turnoff, at least among all those new motherboards there's not one NB fan to be seen anywhere....
Sound like an attempt to ride off the hi-def video craze...In other words just a regular 7.1 support with up to 192KHz sampling? We had that years ago...anaqer wrote:This?JazzJackRabbit wrote:Pardon my ignorance, but what the hell is high definition audio?
Mats wrote:So the TPM in a new system can't do anything if I'm running XP for instance?
Due to the fact that those that say that it's the "end of days" that I know really doesn't have that much knowlodge of computers in general and those that say it's not that bad are all really heavy weight neerds that has been around computers for quite some time. 
XP could support TPM with an update maybe, but it probably won't. Because anyway you need TPM at the hardware level. Current computers (except one Sony) don't have it, and it's part of the hardware makers' grand scheme of "upgrade or die", so I don't see that coming.Mats wrote:So the TPM in a new system can't do anything if I'm running XP for instance?
Maybe it doesn't worry you to rely on crack patches to get control over your own computer, but I am worried. First it's illegal, and it will be hard (not to mention what happen with their EFI instead of a BIOS).Poodle wrote:but in the worst case it has to be fixed through crack patches or something of the kind.
Not a bit but lots of optimism, as the whole purpose of TPM is to give control of your computer to DRM companies. That way they can be sure nothing is trying to hack their precious content. It would be fine in a world where DRMs were respectful of consumers, but when you do Digital Restriction Management you can't be respectful.Poodle wrote:In the best case senario the hardware might actually be used for something good and to stop intrusions on your computer from companies etc. This is all speculation and a bit of optimism though...
Nice to hear someone else shares my opinion on TPM, it's an product of the DRM companies to get more control over the things you can and can't do. There are a lot of rumours, just to name some:Le_Gritche wrote:Not a bit but lots of optimism, as the whole purpose of TPM is to give control of your computer to DRM companies. That way they can be sure nothing is trying to hack their precious content. It would be fine in a world where DRMs were respectful of consumers, but when you do Digital Restriction Management you can't be respectful.
Maybe I'm just pessimistic, and the hardware DRMs will allow software DRM to be less intrusive, but I'm not going to trust Sony's rootkit or Starforce on that one.
So they can talk of Trusted Platform Module or Trusted Computing all they want, it's still their take on the matter, because I wouldn't be trusting my platform anymore with them in charge.
Exactly, TPM is meant to fulfil the same function for DRM companies as activation for Windows XP, and you sure as hell can't turn that off (although I'm sure someone somewhere has a dodgy crack that will do it).Microsoft will do a 100% TPM implementation in Vista, i recon you can't turn it off, because it won't do any good if you can turn it off.
Mmm, really, such an awesome feature for the customers! Here, let us restrict what you can do with the media you bought for you. And have a rootkit while you're at it.inti wrote:Therefore TPM is really a feature for consumers, not a drawback. It will allow access to content that is not otherwise available on a PC. Put it this way, TPM would be an expensive and useless technology if the same content could be played on a non-TPM PC.
I thought that HDCP takes care of playing commercial HD DVD format disks on the PC! i.e. you need a HDCP compliant VGA card and monitor. I don’t think TPM comes into it.inti wrote:One of the main uses of TPM is to allow a Windows Vista machine to play HD-DVDs and Blu-Ray. It is expected that no TPM will mean no high definition DVD. In other words, high definition DVDs will not be playable (legally) on a Windows XP or Linux machine.
Check out EIGHT PHASE POWER EFFICIENCY from SPCR's Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe A64-939 Motherboard review.jaganath wrote:Can someone remind me what this is and why it's good? I think it has something to do with the power to the VRM's?and 8PHASE POWER!