D510MO (Mount Olive) : 13watt Atom D510 mITX board

[aztec]

http://www.tranquilpc-shop.co.uk/acatal ... ount_.html

For ~$99 and passive at that!

This could be a great platform for a simple WHS box.

[andrewb]

In the US, avaialble here, http://www.mini-box.com/D510MO-mini-ITX-Intel, also cheaper.

Combine that with a picoPSU-80 and a M350 fanless enclosure and you got yourself a fanless PC with the latest Atom processor....

Finally, Intel is getting it right...

-A

http://www.tranquilc-shop.co.uk/acatalo ... ount_.html

For ~$99 and passive at that!

This could be a great platform for a simple WHS box.

[aztec]

In the US, avaialble here, http://www.mini-box.com/D510MO-mini-ITX-Intel, also cheaper.

Combine that with a picoPSU-80 and a M350 fanless enclosure and you got yourself a fanless PC with the latest Atom processor....

Finally, Intel is getting it right...

-A

http://www.tranquilc-shop.co.uk/acatalo ... ount_.html

For ~$99 and passive at that!

This could be a great platform for a simple WHS box.

Exactly!

Will be selling my k45 mobo, Celeron 430 and PSU.

Already picked up a Pico, just waiting for this board now.

Nice little WHS box.

[sousa]

Here's a pseudo-review where they measured power consumption,
http://cartft.de/support_db/support_fil ... iew_EN.pdf

[Greg F.]

"The passive cooling on the CPU does require a system fan, for optimal cooling.
The heat sink measures 36mm off the upper side of the main board.
DO NOT use this board without a fan in the system."
quoted from OP's link. so while it may be a very good solution it is not what I would call passive. It also has D-SUB video and 2 Sata connections.

[xan_user]

USA=
Price: TBD
Available 01/05/2010


UK=
Shipping from 6th January 2010
Please note, we cannot take pre-orders until it has been released by Intel on approx 4th Jan

[pyotr]

No DVI, no HDMI.

[Crim]

Any word on a version with DVI or HDMI? Gees, you'd think that in this day and age DVI would be a give in.

[aztec]

I was browsing around and found a couple of early previews that had intially said this board, along with the 410, would actually be closer to the $50 mark than $100.

That would be incredible if it holds true.

Does anyone know how many fan headers this board has? It looks like just 1.

[Methanoid]

Tranquil's price sucks....

Its 70 Euros inc 19% VAT in Germany or £63 (thats with HIGHER VAT)

Its 99 Dollars in USA or equivalent £60

Its 79 Pounds inc 15% VAT in UK - with less VAT..

Hmmm methinks Tranquil are taking a 25% additional profit compared to other firms.

I'm hoping someone in UK is able to source and price a little more fairly. No-one objects to firms making a profit but gouging us is not on!!

[Neven]

The following hardware was used for our test system:
- D410PT / D510MO
- 2 x 2GB DDR2 DIMM 800 Mhz
- HDD 2,5“ SATA 80GB AC (Seagate)
- Slimline Combo drive CW-8124-B
- Pico 150
- 84 watts AC adapter

An idle power consumption of 26W with this set-up is actually very weak. I have seen quadcore set-ups that consume less power at idle.

[anaqer]

Any word on a version with DVI or HDMI? Gees, you'd think that in this day and age DVI would be a give in.

Wouldn't count on it - Intel imposes certain restrictions on the features of Atom-based designs, and IIRC analogue-only video is one of them.

Did they finally change the packaging of the south bridge, though? Sure looks to be mBGA on that image.

[aztec]

Here's a good review from Anand.

He's also quoting that the D510MO will be $75

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/sh ... spx?i=3692

[Muse]

For ~$99 and passive at that!

This could be a great platform for a simple WHS box.

I just read a review at Newegg for this mobo (Intel D510MO) by radman on Feb. 4, 2010 (2 days ago now) stating that he communicated with Intel tech support and they confirmed that this and other non-server mobos do not and will not support server OS's. Thus, the video driver support is lacking for WHS and Server 2003. Here's the link:

Link forbidden by SPR

Well, they won't let me post a link since I don't have 3 posts here yet, but I think you can find it.

[speedboxx]

An idle power consumption of 26W with this set-up is actually very weak. I have seen quadcore set-ups that consume less power at idle.

Proof/link?

[flyingsherpa]

An idle power consumption of 26W with this set-up is actually very weak. I have seen quadcore set-ups that consume less power at idle.

Proof/link?

Maybe he was referring to electrodacus who has posted a system idle of 31W with a heavily undervolted quadcore (the cpu was using 24W of that).

[electrodacus]

Maybe he was referring to electrodacus who has posted a system idle of 31W with a heavily undervolted quadcore (the cpu was using 24W of that).

The CPU was using 4W out of total of 31W at idle and the system will use 35W if not undervolted with CPU using 8W at idle.
So if the Atom board is using 26W at idle that is really bad.
Dual core atom D510 get a score of 650 points compared with Q8400S 3600 points according to Passmark list this is more than 5 time less.
The 24W for the Q8400s CPU is at 100% load on all cores at 2GHz and 0.925V and will still score 2700 points in Passmark so it can beat the D510 with only one core
They can get much better power consumption on Atom boards but they do not want ( I do not know the reason ) one big problem is that the CPU is the only new technology on the board the rest of are history including integrated video also I think they use much higher voltage than needed just to increase the power consumption.
I have an ITX board that is using an ULV Celeron 1GHz and 5W TDP and this was produced in 2005, also can score 260 points in passmark and is a single core at 1GHz.
You can see more here Link Celeron ULV vs Atom vs Q8400s

[HFat]

They can get much better power consumption on Atom boards but they do not want ( I do not know the reason ) one big problem is that the CPU is the only new technology on the board the rest of are history including integrated video

They DO get much better power consumption on the boards which are designed for very low power consumption such as the Poulsbo boards, which are of course more expensive and slower.

The point of this board is that the power consumption is low enough for out-of-the-box fanless operation (in theory anyway) while being relatively powerful. This allows one to build really cheap no-nonsense systems. What would be the point of even lower consumption if it's going to be connected to the grid?

Obviously Intel is seeing the potential of this board or they wouldn't have crippled it (no DVI, poor LVDS resolution, slow PCI, no support for MS servers and so on). I doubt they actually went out of their way to increase its power consumption.

The integrated video is integrated to the CPU... so I'd say that part is rather new actually.

[wywywywy]

Grrrr only two SATA ports again

[HFat]

I got myself one of these and I posted in the article discussion thread: viewtopic.php?t=56735

I'm posting here as well so as to let everyone interested know I'm taking questions and test requests.

[andymcca]

The point of this board is that the power consumption is low enough for out-of-the-box fanless operation (in theory anyway) while being relatively powerful.

Based on how warm my <15W idle system gets in the M350 case, I cannot imagine it would work out well to have one of these ~30W idle machines in the same case without fans. It would be shocking to me if it did not hit 55C+ idle.

[HFat]

Why would 55C idle be unacceptable? I certainly wouldn't worry if my laptop's CPU idled at 55C for instance considering how hot many laptop parts get in spite of their fans when you're stressing them. It's the other components which concern me.

[HFat]

It would be shocking to me if it did not hit 55C+ idle.

Read my latest update and be shocked.
I think one should get better temps with the M350 than with my case but what do I know?

[andymcca]

It would be shocking to me if it did not hit 55C+ idle.

Read my latest update and be shocked. ;-)
I think one should get better temps with the M350 than with my case but what do I know?

I'm now thinking that your case has better coupling directly to the board (doesn't it have some thermal pad under the processor/NB?). That may explain the better temperatures, since the M350 relies almost totally on convection on the tiny CPU/NB heat sinks.
55C idle only worries me because of what it implies under load :) The N270 has a TJmax of 90C, but I don't like to see temperatures anywhere near that since the temperature may not be accurate or represent the hottest part of the chip. And I have no clue how hot the NB is getting, but since that is the 20W component in a 330+945GC combo, it is probably way hotter than the CPU. (although someone was saying TJmax for 945GC might be 125C? I have not seen this on a data sheet though)

[HFat]

I'm now thinking that your case has better coupling directly to the board (doesn't it have some thermal pad under the processor/NB?).

I don't think so (no thermal pad or anything like that stock). The only way in which it would be superior is that the metal must be spreading the heat a bit. Forgive my ignorance but the M350 is plastic, right? Then again the hottest part of the metal is heated by convection and hot air must be passing through the mesh anyway.

That may explain the better temperatures, since the M350 relies almost totally on convection on the tiny CPU/NB heat sinks.
55C idle only worries me because of what it implies under load

The heatsink on the D510MO looks a lot bigger than the one on the D945GSEJT (I've only seen it in pictures).
In ideal conditions (see the thread linked above for caveats... and I'll be posting more shortly), the differences between idle and CPU load are relatively small. That's because Atom processors have a very low TDP and also probably (I guess) because they're consuming a significant share of that at idle. I'm not seeing a significant temperature difference between low CPU load and idle (like you'd get with more powerful processors that downclock and downvolt dynamically).

The N270 has a TJmax of 90C, but I don't like to see temperatures anywhere near that since the temperature may not be accurate or represent the hottest part of the chip.

As a matter of fact, in the case of the D510MO, lm_sensors picks up additional "core" temperatures that diverge significantly under CPU load (they get hotter that is) from the "processor" temperature reported in the BIOS screen.

And I have no clue how hot the NB is getting, but since that is the 20W component in a 330+945GC combo,

The D510's NB is integrated to the dual-core Atom and their combined TDP is 13W.

[jessekopelman]

55C idle only worries me because of what it implies under load

One aspect of Atom is that TDP difference between idle and load is very small. So if idle is 55C, I'd be surprised if load is > 65C, with no change in cooling.

[HFat]

So if idle is 55C, I'd be surprised if load is > 65C, with no change in cooling.

It depends on the cooling and on what you're talking about but I figure the "core" temperatures reported by lm_sensors are likely to rise by about 20C between idle and CPU load if the D510MO is laid horizontally without active cooling for instance.