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OCZ PCIe 1 SI TB SSD

Post by m^2 » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:59 am

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Price?
$1500.

Sources (and pictures):
http://www.jmax-hardware.com/news/ocz-zdrive.html
http://www.revioo.com/news/zdrive-ssd-ocz-n12467.html

Don't trust benchmarks, at least in one case OCZ cheated by using data size that fits in the cache, most likely they are all wrong.

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Post by nutball » Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:03 am

Sustained write, sustained for how long? From my experience with their drives hung off a "hardware-based RAID controller with 256MB of cache", not very long.

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Post by bgiddins » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:58 am

It's already been outed as a RocketRaid card with four naked 250GB Vertex drives attached via SATA, all crammed into a plastic housing to hide the mess. It's no FusionIO drive - just a marketing gimmick. There's even photos showing the grey plastic molding, later painted black to look like an anodised heatsink.

Poor marketing in my opinion - damages OCZ's reputation just as they kicked a goal with the Vertex SSD.

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Post by Capsaicin » Thu Mar 05, 2009 7:43 am

bgiddins wrote:It's already been outed as a RocketRaid card with four naked 250GB Vertex drives attached via SATA, all crammed into a plastic housing to hide the mess. It's no FusionIO drive - just a marketing gimmick. There's even photos showing the grey plastic molding, later painted black to look like an anodised heatsink.

Poor marketing in my opinion - damages OCZ's reputation just as they kicked a goal with the Vertex SSD.
It looks like it clearly states it's MLC flash memory (vs. volatile RAM used in devices like FusionIO) . Still not a product I would look at to purchase, though.

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Post by m^2 » Thu Mar 05, 2009 7:56 am

Capsaicin wrote:
bgiddins wrote:It's already been outed as a RocketRaid card with four naked 250GB Vertex drives attached via SATA, all crammed into a plastic housing to hide the mess. It's no FusionIO drive - just a marketing gimmick. There's even photos showing the grey plastic molding, later painted black to look like an anodised heatsink.

Poor marketing in my opinion - damages OCZ's reputation just as they kicked a goal with the Vertex SSD.
It looks like it clearly states it's MLC flash memory (vs. volatile RAM used in devices like FusionIO) . Still not a product I would look at to purchase, though.
Can you buy 4 250 SI GB Vertexes and controller for this price? You can't even get crappy JMicrons with such capacity for $1500, not to mention controller.

ADDED: Which controller? HighPoint site doesn't mention any SATA / SAS one with Marvell chipset and PCIe x8.
Capsaicin wrote:
bgiddins wrote:It's already been outed as a RocketRaid card with four naked 250GB Vertex drives attached via SATA, all crammed into a plastic housing to hide the mess. It's no FusionIO drive - just a marketing gimmick. There's even photos showing the grey plastic molding, later painted black to look like an anodised heatsink.

Poor marketing in my opinion - damages OCZ's reputation just as they kicked a goal with the Vertex SSD.
It looks like it clearly states it's MLC flash memory (vs. volatile RAM used in devices like FusionIO) . Still not a product I would look at to purchase, though.
FusionIO is not a RAM device. It's just regular flash, SLC or MLC depending on a model.
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Post by ~El~Jefe~ » Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:06 am

m^2 wrote:
Capsaicin wrote:
bgiddins wrote:It's already been outed as a RocketRaid card with four naked 250GB Vertex drives attached via SATA, all crammed into a plastic housing to hide the mess. It's no FusionIO drive - just a marketing gimmick. There's even photos showing the grey plastic molding, later painted black to look like an anodised heatsink.

Poor marketing in my opinion - damages OCZ's reputation just as they kicked a goal with the Vertex SSD.
It looks like it clearly states it's MLC flash memory (vs. volatile RAM used in devices like FusionIO) . Still not a product I would look at to purchase, though.
Can you buy 4 250 SI GB Vertexes and controller for this price? You can't even get crappy JMicrons with such capacity for $1500, not to mention controller.
Capsaicin wrote:
bgiddins wrote:It's already been outed as a RocketRaid card with four naked 250GB Vertex drives attached via SATA, all crammed into a plastic housing to hide the mess. It's no FusionIO drive - just a marketing gimmick. There's even photos showing the grey plastic molding, later painted black to look like an anodised heatsink.

Poor marketing in my opinion - damages OCZ's reputation just as they kicked a goal with the Vertex SSD.
It looks like it clearly states it's MLC flash memory (vs. volatile RAM used in devices like FusionIO) . Still not a product I would look at to purchase, though.
FusionIO is not a RAM device. It's just regular flash, SLC or MLC depending on a model.
I agree this is an awesome deal for 1500 dollars. If i had it, I certainly would!

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Post by bgiddins » Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:38 pm

m^2 wrote: Can you buy 4 250 SI GB Vertexes and controller for this price? You can't even get crappy JMicrons with such capacity for $1500, not to mention controller.

ADDED: Which controller? HighPoint site doesn't mention any SATA / SAS one with Marvell chipset and PCIe x8.
The case contains a RocketRaid 3520...

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When I asked in a thread if the device was four Vertex crammed into a housing on an existing RAID card, the answer was "More or less".

To quote:

"Give a bunch of them a stack of Vertex, a few RAID cards, and they come back with some monster."

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Post by Bar81 » Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:35 am

What is OCZ doing? Their reputation vis-a-vis SSDs is already problematic; they better be careful.

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Post by m^2 » Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:51 am

bgiddins wrote:
m^2 wrote: Can you buy 4 250 SI GB Vertexes and controller for this price? You can't even get crappy JMicrons with such capacity for $1500, not to mention controller.

ADDED: Which controller? HighPoint site doesn't mention any SATA / SAS one with Marvell chipset and PCIe x8.
The case contains a RocketRaid 3520...

When I asked in a thread if the device was four Vertex crammed into a housing on an existing RAID card, the answer was "More or less".

To quote:

"Give a bunch of them a stack of Vertex, a few RAID cards, and they come back with some monster."
Nice find. So there's 256 MB cache on the controller. So 0 on the drives. So there's no Vertex inside. JMicron crap again?

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Post by Plekto » Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:55 pm

Apparently so...

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Post by Capsaicin » Wed Mar 11, 2009 6:27 am

m^2 wrote:
Capsaicin wrote:It looks like it clearly states it's MLC flash memory (vs. volatile RAM used in devices like FusionIO) . Still not a product I would look at to purchase, though.
FusionIO is not a RAM device. It's just regular flash, SLC or MLC depending on a model.
My mistake. So why are all these other SSDs so slow? :?

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Post by Aris » Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:06 am

Capsaicin wrote: My mistake. So why are all these other SSDs so slow? :?
No cache to sequence data. Every SSD with built in cache, or any SSD used with a raid controller with cache runs fine.

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Post by wojtek » Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:08 pm

Aris wrote:
Capsaicin wrote: My mistake. So why are all these other SSDs so slow? :?
No cache to sequence data. Every SSD with built in cache, or any SSD used with a raid controller with cache runs fine.
That's true. I'm using Vertex 30GB (which has a 32MB cache) since yesterday and I can see much improvement over previous gen SSD's, but still when drive is filling up performance is dropping. It would be interesting to see some benchmarks of the filled ZDrive.

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Post by m^2 » Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:17 am

Capsaicin wrote:
m^2 wrote:
Capsaicin wrote:It looks like it clearly states it's MLC flash memory (vs. volatile RAM used in devices like FusionIO) . Still not a product I would look at to purchase, though.
FusionIO is not a RAM device. It's just regular flash, SLC or MLC depending on a model.
My mistake. So why are all these other SSDs so slow? :?
All? X-25E? ZeusIOPS?
There are fast drives. They just cost a lot.

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Post by budoongz » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:48 pm

bgiddins wrote:It's already been outed as a RocketRaid card with four naked 250GB Vertex drives attached via SATA, all crammed into a plastic housing to hide the mess. It's no FusionIO drive - just a marketing gimmick. There's even photos showing the grey plastic molding, later painted black to look like an anodised heatsink.

Poor marketing in my opinion - damages OCZ's reputation just as they kicked a goal with the Vertex SSD.

its really shown of picture, maybe they can replace this


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Post by bgiddins » Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:22 am

Looks like this is going to market after all... but with something like a 40mm fan embedded as a cooling solution!!! So much for silent SSDs.

http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/f ... xpress_ssd

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Post by m^2 » Sun Apr 26, 2009 2:16 am

And the price....pointless. :roll:

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