Running the Winchester passive?
Moderators: NeilBlanchard, Ralf Hutter, sthayashi, Lawrence Lee
Running the Winchester passive?
I just upgraded to a new sys and was running speed fan on auto control and during idle the cpu cooler turned off! Everything was still runing cool according to speed fan and my fan controller which creates the question can it be passivly cooled?
my spec's
AMD athlon 64 3000+ Winchester
ECS KN1 Extreme
MSI 6600GT PCIE
btw everything is sill stock and loud!
I read the "Ideal Hi-end CPU to cool down - Winchester Athlons" thread and I wanted to see if anyone else has tryed running their winchester passive?
my spec's
AMD athlon 64 3000+ Winchester
ECS KN1 Extreme
MSI 6600GT PCIE
btw everything is sill stock and loud!
I read the "Ideal Hi-end CPU to cool down - Winchester Athlons" thread and I wanted to see if anyone else has tryed running their winchester passive?
-
- Patron of SPCR
- Posts: 946
- Joined: Sat Sep 06, 2003 9:57 pm
- Location: Berkeley, CA, USA
- Contact:
You're still talking about 40w+ under load, which is the problem. That is not a trivial passive cooling scenario. I know from my Pentium-M system that 20w under load is possible to cool (mostly) passively without killing yourself doing it, but doubling that to 40w... uh.. no.
Can you clarify-- do you mean (1) COMPLETELY PASSIVE (eg your entire system has no fans) or (2) just running the cpu heatsink without a fan?
(2) is pretty easy, while (1) is insanely difficult to the point of not being worth the effort.
Can you clarify-- do you mean (1) COMPLETELY PASSIVE (eg your entire system has no fans) or (2) just running the cpu heatsink without a fan?
(2) is pretty easy, while (1) is insanely difficult to the point of not being worth the effort.
-
- Posts: 158
- Joined: Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:34 pm
It will be great for semi passive cooling
fans on while gaming
only case and ps fans when Idle
As for passive all the way it would be tricky.
But with a passive PS you could go silent in idle which would be good enough for me. When I'm gaming the speakers are on so It only needs to be quiet so If I could get it to run passive while web browsing and Idle It will be awsome.
Any Ideas for a good cooler for this?
xp-120 should work becuse I can go passive on idle with just a stock cooler, but I'm not sure if it fits my mobo.
Any Ideas?
Personly I dont want to try passive all the time becuse its going to heat up while gaming.
fans on while gaming
only case and ps fans when Idle
As for passive all the way it would be tricky.
But with a passive PS you could go silent in idle which would be good enough for me. When I'm gaming the speakers are on so It only needs to be quiet so If I could get it to run passive while web browsing and Idle It will be awsome.
Any Ideas for a good cooler for this?
xp-120 should work becuse I can go passive on idle with just a stock cooler, but I'm not sure if it fits my mobo.
Any Ideas?
Personly I dont want to try passive all the time becuse its going to heat up while gaming.
Thunder,
Have you seen Ed's reviews of his undervolted NewCastle 3000+ and his Aerocool VM-101? No fan on either one.
Have you seen Ed's reviews of his undervolted NewCastle 3000+ and his Aerocool VM-101? No fan on either one.
how's this clawhammer 3000+ on semi-passive? on idle i undervolt using crystalcpuid to 1.0V/1.0GHz.
prime95/cpuburn max at 55C, idle at 32C. by the way, i live in Australia, sometimes ambient is up to 28C but still no problem. the fan can go up to 2,200 rpm/84cfm, providing proper cooling.
just wonder if cooling the whole computer with one fan only would be considered semi-passive cooling, hehehe
i have a 120mm fan @950 rpm on the side cover, and that one is cooling the cpu, the passive 6800 vga... no other fan needed. the fan is mounted half in/half out using neoprene, no vibrations are transmited to the case. so it's dead quiet.
oh, did i mention the psu is a phantom?
see my rig here:
http://forums.silentpcreview.com/viewtopic.php?t=19874
prime95/cpuburn max at 55C, idle at 32C. by the way, i live in Australia, sometimes ambient is up to 28C but still no problem. the fan can go up to 2,200 rpm/84cfm, providing proper cooling.
just wonder if cooling the whole computer with one fan only would be considered semi-passive cooling, hehehe
i have a 120mm fan @950 rpm on the side cover, and that one is cooling the cpu, the passive 6800 vga... no other fan needed. the fan is mounted half in/half out using neoprene, no vibrations are transmited to the case. so it's dead quiet.
oh, did i mention the psu is a phantom?
see my rig here:
http://forums.silentpcreview.com/viewtopic.php?t=19874
Thx ed has a nice system, great use of that normaly anoying duct.
In my case however an xp 120 would be hard to duct but what about ducting an HT-101jr to the back fan to get suction through it?
Nice system atomidude btw
AMD is the best.
Anyone gone totaly passive?
In my case however an xp 120 would be hard to duct but what about ducting an HT-101jr to the back fan to get suction through it?
Nice system atomidude btw
AMD is the best.
Anyone gone totaly passive?
my A64 3000+ Winchester is cooled by a XP-120 without fan. but it's quite close to the rear 12cm case exhaust Nexus. With CnQ enabled, idles at around 29-36 degrees, depending on ambient temp.
Load - no idea, haven't loaded it yet! will try to get cpuburn and see. i have a feeling that as long as i ramp up the rear Nexus, load temp will be up to 60 deg, but no more.
annoyingly, whenever my computer exits screensaver mode (e.g. when i touch mouse after a few hours) the CPU temp jumps up to almost 60 deg., and then falls rapidly down again.
Load - no idea, haven't loaded it yet! will try to get cpuburn and see. i have a feeling that as long as i ramp up the rear Nexus, load temp will be up to 60 deg, but no more.
annoyingly, whenever my computer exits screensaver mode (e.g. when i touch mouse after a few hours) the CPU temp jumps up to almost 60 deg., and then falls rapidly down again.
60 is to hot for me I would rather have a fan and go semipassive. With some creative ducting you might be able to pull better temps but ducting for a 120mm cpu HS wont be easy.
My 3000 runs at 30-35deg even in fanless idle but I dont have my fanless vga cooler yet so the whole system is very cool. While gaming the stock cooler kicks in and keeps it under 35. I plan on Installing my Zalman cooler this weekend and buying a new cpu cooler.
Is the xp-120 still the top pick for a semi-passive rig?
My 3000 runs at 30-35deg even in fanless idle but I dont have my fanless vga cooler yet so the whole system is very cool. While gaming the stock cooler kicks in and keeps it under 35. I plan on Installing my Zalman cooler this weekend and buying a new cpu cooler.
Is the xp-120 still the top pick for a semi-passive rig?
Im running the 3500+ passive at the moment, i just installed a 7700-Cu and it idles at 38-39c with the fan stopped. Start folding and it very slowly starts to rise, i got bored at waiting when it hit 55 after several minutes and turned the fan on again. I swapped the original for a 120mm nexus I chose the 7700 over the XP120 for two reasons, its does a better job at cooling the surrounding mosfets and two, its cheaper. The NEXUS fan on it is very,very quiet.. even at full 12V So im not going to run this passively, i just had to try it out. The S939 mounting seems so secure that i dared to installed the 7700Cu although it weighs 900Gs. It fits without problems too, on the uLtra-D i mean. Im seriously tired, i apologize for anythign that is not understandable..
I would think twice about installing it if i moved the computer much, but luckily the HS mounting on S939 is very sturdy so i dont think moving it would hurt honestly, just dont go throwing your computer around.. I might have got the alcu, but it was out of stock at my usual stores so i got the cu version. I had a spare 120mm nexus, so i epoxied that in place.
One thing worth mentioneing, running the fan @ 750rpm the CPU reaches only 40-41c when folding, and its inaudible. The AlCu shouldnt be that much worse. The SpinPoint HDD is noisier than the 7700, as is the vf700.
Heres some pics of the mod, the two aluminium pieces are there to elevate the fan a bit, otherwise it would touch the HS. Really easy to do, the hardest part was to saw the aluminium Ok so i had a crappy saw and this is seriously high quality hardened aluminium, not something you can scratch with your fingernails Its a tight fit, but it fits without any inerference.. cools the mosfets, dimms and graphiscs card memory some too..
One thing worth mentioneing, running the fan @ 750rpm the CPU reaches only 40-41c when folding, and its inaudible. The AlCu shouldnt be that much worse. The SpinPoint HDD is noisier than the 7700, as is the vf700.
Heres some pics of the mod, the two aluminium pieces are there to elevate the fan a bit, otherwise it would touch the HS. Really easy to do, the hardest part was to saw the aluminium Ok so i had a crappy saw and this is seriously high quality hardened aluminium, not something you can scratch with your fingernails Its a tight fit, but it fits without any inerference.. cools the mosfets, dimms and graphiscs card memory some too..
Even though I'm not into passive CPU cooling it's quite interesting to get an idea of what's is possible.
It also tell us something of what a certain TDP means in reality. I'd really like to see some of your results,
and I'm guessing that you have to keep it under 25 W, like 1.8 GHz/1.15 V (calculated from mobile chip, still dont believe in 67 W @ 2.2 GHz)
It also tell us something of what a certain TDP means in reality. I'd really like to see some of your results,
and I'm guessing that you have to keep it under 25 W, like 1.8 GHz/1.15 V (calculated from mobile chip, still dont believe in 67 W @ 2.2 GHz)