lapped my IHS on a Q6600 (pics and results)

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lapped my IHS on a Q6600 (pics and results)

Post by graysky » Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:17 pm

Well, after lapping my HS, I've had this nagging little voice in my head telling me to do the same from the CPU. I did the job with 800 grit sandpaper. Initially, I told myself I'd just buff what's there right now just to see if it's level. After about 30 laps in one direction and 30 in the other direction I discovered I had quite a concave IHS. So I just kept at it. Two 9x11 pieces of 800 grit later paper later I was left with a darn flat layer of copper looking back at me. I finished the job and put a mild shine on it with a sheet of 1000 grit I got from the local auto parts store just for the f*ck of it.

Here are a few pics and the temp. results I got from lapping both my CPU and HS. I would recommend that anyone wanting the best $20 decrease in temps should consider lapping both the CPU and HS.

Hardware details: Q6600 @ 9x333 and vcore of 1.2625V in the BIOS, P5B Deluxe (vdroop modded) cooled w/ an Ultra-120 Extreme (lapped) with Scythe/s-flex SFF21F 1600RPM fan, in a P182 case:

Temp results:
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Each temp. point represents an average of data collected over approx. 1 h time period during the 2nd pass of a 2-pass x264 encode of a 720x480 DVD source using a high quality video profile. Data points were logged by Speedfan every 3-4 seconds over this time period. The average CPU usage was >99 % on all 4 cores throughout the experiments. Also room temp was between 20-22 °C.

This is my preferred setup: 8x10 piece of glass on a flat counter top. You can see I cut the sandpaper into a thin strip (about 2-3x the width of the CPU) and attached it to the glass with some tape. The glass is in turn tapped down to the counter top to keep everything immobilized. You'll want to moisten the sandpaper with some mildly soapy water (like 1 drop of dish soap in 1 liter of water), then blot it until you have no pools of water. Remember, if you get water into your chip you're sunk. Then simple hold the chip and gently move it front-to-back. I don't recommend doing circles since they tend to give uneven results. The copper color on the sandpaper is material I just removed from the IHS on the chip.

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Remember, you're after a flat chip here so don't push down on it as you lap: let the weight of your hands do it without extra pressure and go slowly so you don't use uneven pressure. After about 30 laps front-to-back, I gently blotted off the chip with a moist paper towel to remove the metal particles I just sanded off, then rotated it 90 degrees and repeated 30 laps front-to-back. Then you'll want to clean off the sand paper (add more water, then blot it damp and repeat). I'd recommend changing the sand paper frequently since it's really doing the work for you. That's basically it. You can start with 400 grit or so and lap until you can't see variations in the surface of the chip (no silver color is often a good indication that you're flat), move up to 600 or 800, then finish off with 1000 or 1200. I did mine entirely with 800 and 1000, it just takes longer with finer grits. Remember, the key is FLAT, not shiny. I would recommend that you do NOT polish the chip with a metal polish since you'll leave behind a residue that will hurt your heat transfer.

You can test the flatness at any point during the lapping process by carefully placing a razor blade across the surface of he chip and looking at the area where the razor meets the chip. Now position your eye so that you're level with the chip and pointing at a light source (a lamp will do nicely). Do you see any light coming though? If so, keep at it. Another test you can do is to take a black sharpie marker and make about 9 dots in a 3x3 grid on the surface of the IHS. Lap about 5 times, rotate, and do 5 more. Now look at the dots... did they wear off evenly? If not, keep at it. You can also simply draw an "X" from corner to corner on the chip and do this as well. Again, you'll looking for even wear.

After about 5 minutes of lapping in each direction with 800 grit. You can see how the nickel plating has come off around the edges first which shows you just how concave this thing really was:
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After more lapping most of the nickel plating has been removed expect in the really low areas (the camera flash fired so close to the chip makes all the scratches show up much more so than they do under normal light):
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Switched to 1000 grit, here's the result:
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Another angle shows the nice dull reflection, still very so slightly concave at the extreme edges, but good enough for me:
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I would recommend that anyone wanting the best $20 decrease in temps should consider lapping both the CPU and HS.

Oh, I also thought I'd mention that before I lapped the chip, I had a pretty big difference in core temps when loading with prime95 or 2x orthos: up to 6 degrees C (sorry I don't have a screenshot of this). Lapping the chip REALLY evened-them-out as you can see from the coretemp numbers after the IHS and base of the heatsink were lapped (stressed using prime95 v25.3):

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The table I showed above was not based on prime95 or orthos, it was based on x264.exe which is a video encoder. It is good at using all 4 cores, but not as efficient as prime95/orthos which explains the differences in temps from that table.
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Post by Natronomonas » Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:44 pm

Impressive; I had heard that the ihs could be concave, but that's pretty bad.

The 300h; is that 300h of usage? Surely not 300h of lapping! How long did it take all up?

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Post by continuum » Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:11 pm

300h of use.

300h of lapping, even with 2000 grit, would leave him with a pile of very fine sand for his CPU. :p

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Post by cmthomson » Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:34 pm

1600 RPM!!

Your temps are too low. Slow down that fan, and enjoy some quiet.

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Post by Badger » Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:49 pm

well, at stock, your heatsink was convex and your ihs was concave. but it (obviously) makes sense to just make them both flat.

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Post by Natronomonas » Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:49 pm

continuum wrote:would leave him with a pile of very fine, very expensive, sand for his CPU. :p
I thought so, thanks![/b]

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Post by graysky » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:53 pm

Natronomonas wrote:Impressive; I had heard that the ihs could be concave, but that's pretty bad.

The 300h; is that 300h of usage? Surely not 300h of lapping! How long did it take all up?
300 h of usage :) It only took about 1 h or so for the lapping. Doing the chip was cake compared to doing the HS.

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Post by aelfewulf » Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:12 am

graysky,

I lapped both heatsink and CPU, and I can concur with yr results. Both my heatsink and CPU surface were concave initially. Yr coretemps improved by abt 6-7 degrees, mine was 5. Which means u probably had better technique!

I'm gonna wait for my AS5 to settle in, hope it drops by another 2 degrees at least.

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Post by graysky » Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:52 am

aelfewulf wrote:graysky,

I lapped both heatsink and CPU, and I can concur with yr results. Both my heatsink and CPU surface were concave initially. Yr coretemps improved by abt 6-7 degrees, mine was 5. Which means u probably had better technique!

I'm gonna wait for my AS5 to settle in, hope it drops by another 2 degrees at least.
Dunno if it's a technique thing... I'll bet you I'm running a lower vcore than you are. 9x333 @ 1.2625V (in the BIOS) which equates to 1.232 V in CPU-Z. What vcore are you using?

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Post by aelfewulf » Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:33 pm

Im running stock E4300, vcore on auto, which means 1.26v on full load, BIOS reading.

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Post by graysky » Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:18 pm

1.26 is your auto vcore? Did you try to minimize that?

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Post by aelfewulf » Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:51 pm

No, I leave it on auto. Idle 1.16v, load 1.26v. Is it too high or what?

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Post by graysky » Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:05 am

aelfewulf wrote:No, I leave it on auto. Idle 1.16v, load 1.26v. Is it too high or what?
For that chip I don't think it's too high. I would point you to this thread. Have a look at the results that only 0.120 V can make on temps for a q6600. I would recommend that you also follow the orthos or prime95 stress testing procedure outlined there to minimize your vcore.

You might also wanna think about doing the pencil mod to fix that vdroop we all experience. After doing it on my B5B-Del, I have 0 vdroop from idle/load @ 1.2625V. Know that it's different for each board... which MB did you say you had?

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Post by aelfewulf » Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:17 am

mobo is Asus P5K...it has a built in vdroop thingy in the bios, which i have not explored yet. I think it automatically detects n corrects vdroop, so i can save on pencils :D

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Post by graysky » Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:32 pm

I just edited/updated the first post of the thread with a few more pics and a brief description of how I lapped the chip for anyone interested.

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Post by Bories36 » Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:57 pm

This had encouraged me to lap my E6600 and my Ninja. I know they're uneven by looking at the thermal paste, theres none of it in some areas and alot in others.

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Post by graysky » Mon Aug 06, 2007 3:27 pm

Yeah, mine was like that as well. Please let us know how it goes; I'm sure you'll be happy with the results.

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