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scythe ninja or hr-01 plus?

Post by Elijah86 » Sat May 24, 2008 1:13 pm

I have an e6300 in a Cooler Master Centurion 531 with a cooler master hyper 48, it is really loud even on low. So I am looking for a new cooler possibly passive. I was looking at a thermalright hr-01 or a scythe ninja rev b. I know that the ninja is much cheaper I was wondering how it compares to the hr-01?

any suggestions?

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Post by bonestonne » Sat May 24, 2008 1:24 pm

The ninja has a larger surface area, which will give it great potential for passive cooling, but the HR-01 (unless i'm mistaken) has a duct to the exhaust fan. the duct will be great for semi-passive cooling on the heatsink, but its important to think of the effect this will have on the rest of the system.

i'd just go for a ninja with a 120mm fan modded to 7v, or even an 800RPM slipstream.

another option could be a Thermalright Ultra 120/ the Ultra 120 Extreme. with even a low speed 120mm fan, it's one of the best coolers you can have.
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Post by angelkiller » Sat May 24, 2008 1:25 pm

You're in luck. SPCR has reviewed the HR-01. The results compared to the Ninja are here. The Ninja barely manages to outperform the HR-01. Overall, either one will suit your needs. However, since the HR-01 is more expensive, it would make more sense to get the Ninja.

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Post by Felger Carbon » Sat May 24, 2008 2:15 pm

An additional consideration is that the HR-01 is about a half-inch taller than the Ninja. I seem to recall the plastic duct is no longer included as standard equipment with the HR-01.

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Post by chahahc » Sat May 24, 2008 7:25 pm

FYI, I think Elijah86 is talking about the hr-01 PLUS, which has 6 heatpipes instead of 4. I've had the same pondering question for a while on the performance of the hr-01 plus. The only review of it that I've seen was the one on that German site. I would love to see spcr review it. :P....Maybe you could just bite the bullet and go with the hr-01 plus :D. The ninja for me had a bit lackluster performance. I personally regretted not going with the hr-01 plus, that's just me. I think most here would disagree with my opinion though.
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Post by psyopper » Sat May 24, 2008 9:00 pm

I wonder even more if either of these giants will actually fit in that case. I really like this case and want to use one in a future build but this is one consideration I always come back to.

Any reason you didn't look at the H.D.T. coolers? I think I've seen pictures of these around this forum running passively, at least in one or two builds...

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Post by Elijah86 » Sun May 25, 2008 11:53 am

Thanks for all the input. I think i will go with the ninja as it is cheaper. :) and i dont plan to overclock much if at all.

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Post by The Chief » Mon May 26, 2008 4:58 am

When SPCR reviewed the copper version of the ninja they found that the Rev B. version isn't nearly as good as the original.

The HR-01 performed almost as good as the original ninja so it should perform much better then the Rev B.

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Post by blackworx » Mon May 26, 2008 6:02 am

The Chief wrote:When SPCR reviewed the copper version of the ninja they found that the Rev B. version isn't nearly as good as the original.

The HR-01 performed almost as good as the original ninja so it should perform much better then the Rev B.
It wasn't as black and white as that. MikeC noted that SPCR's original Ninja sample was perceived to be an exceptional performer, whilst the doubts about the Rev. B centred around the mounting system. When the push-pins were replaced with a bolt-thru kit the Rev. B's performance fell back into line with expectations. I can testify from personal experience that a bolt-thru kit does make a difference with that hs. Although you'd have to factor in the cost of course! :)

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Post by ultraboy » Mon May 26, 2008 6:11 am

The Chief wrote:When SPCR reviewed the copper version of the ninja they found that the Rev B. version isn't nearly as good as the original.
The above plus a lot of complains in the forum about Ninja Rev.B are the main reason I bought HR01 Plus. I'm very happy with the result.
angelkiller wrote:However, since the HR-01 is more expensive,...
At the time I bought mine, HR01 Plus was a few dollars cheaper than Ninja Rev.B. :D Just looked up on the local on-line stores HR01+ is still USD 5 cheaper.

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Post by The Chief » Mon May 26, 2008 7:00 am

It wasn't as black and white as that. MikeC noted that SPCR's original Ninja sample was perceived to be an exceptional performer, whilst the doubts about the Rev. B centred around the mounting system. When the push-pins were replaced with a bolt-thru kit the Rev. B's performance fell back into line with expectations.
Ok, maybe it wasn't as black and white as I made out but I still think it's pretty clear.

The mounting system is probably the problem with the Rev B but if he's not planning on getting a bolt through kit for it then my point stands.

Even with a bolt through kit the HR-01 still wins (albeit by a smaller margin):

From here http://www.silentpcreview.com/article805-page6.html

Original Ninja (new test)
12v = 15 degree rise
9v = 16
7v = 19
5v = 21

Rev B ninja with bolt-thru kit
12v = 21 degree rise
9v = 22
7v = 24
5v = 26

and here

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article290-page5.html

Thermalright HR-01
12v = 18 degree rise
9v = 19
7v = 20
5v = 22

The HR-01 beats the Rev B + bolt through kit by 3-4 degrees at each speed using the reference nexus.

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Post by blackworx » Mon May 26, 2008 7:31 am

Chief, wasn't looking at figs - just pointing out that it wasn't as simple as the Rev B. heatsink being a seriously worse performer than the original Ninja or HR-01. Don't worry I'm not a Ninja fanboy trying to prove you wrong.

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Post by Elijah86 » Mon May 26, 2008 7:48 am

Well I think if spcr was showing the orig. hr-01 (non plus) being on par with the ninja regardless of mounting method, then that must mean that the hr-01 plus would be a better for what im looking for.
I just wish there were a review pitting them both together.

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Post by nyu3 » Mon May 26, 2008 8:07 am

Elijah86 wrote:Well I think if spcr was showing the orig. hr-01 (non plus) being on par with the ninja regardless of mounting method, then that must mean that the hr-01 plus would be a better for what im looking for.
I just wish there were a review pitting them both together.
See here:
http://www.silenthardware.de/reviews/cp ... index.html

With 800rpm S-Flex, the HR01+ outperforms Ultra120-Extreme, Ninja Rev B, Xigmatek 1283

With 1200rpm S-Flex, the HR01+ is practically equal to the Ultra120-Extreme, and outperforms Ninja Rev B, Xigmatek 1283

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Post by NeilBlanchard » Mon May 26, 2008 8:39 am

Hello,

It looks like the heatpipes are soldered at the base & at the fins, too:
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Post by ryboto » Mon May 26, 2008 8:58 am

It works well enough for me, but aside from the HR-01 Plus, I've only owned one other Thermalright CPU cooler, an Ultra-120. It's definitely better as a passive cooler than the U120, but that's all I can compare it to.
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Post by Elijah86 » Wed May 28, 2008 3:18 pm

Ok I'm going to go with the HR-01 plus. I always thought that it looked better anyway. Now all I have to do is find a decent price.
thanks again for all the input.

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Post by ntavlas » Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:53 pm

That site you linked to has some very useful reviews. Although the hr-01 has superb performance even with a 500rpm fan the ninja seems to have the edge in passive cooling.

Personally I think that if skythe paid more attention to quality (mounting system, soldering heatpipes) the ninja could perform just as well as the thermalright and noctua with a low rpm fan.

The ninja copper is amazing in passive mode, I deeply regret not bying it when I could.

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Post by krille » Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:11 am

angelkiller wrote:You're in luck. SPCR has reviewed the HR-01. The results compared to the Ninja are here. The Ninja barely manages to outperform the HR-01. Overall, either one will suit your needs. However, since the HR-01 is more expensive, it would make more sense to get the Ninja.
He didn't ask about the HR-01.

He asked about the HR-01 Plus!

Here are the actual results:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article842-page4.html

Also check the updated Recommended CPU HSF ranking:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article30-page1.html[/i]

It seems the HR-01 Plus is consistently 3-4C better. As for fan I don't have a clue on what to get. I'm wondering the same!
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Post by Plekto » Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:32 am

I really need to see which works better purely passive, IN A CASE.(assuming a single 120mm exhaust fan and a passive/PICO type PS)

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Post by FartingBob » Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:39 pm

The ninja rev b passively cools my E6600, unless its a hot day i dont see temps above 54c, and i do alot of video encoding. I did have a 800rpm s-flex fan on there, but after i took it off max temps only rose 2c, so i guess my case airflow is doing most of the work anyway.
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Post by ryboto » Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:29 pm

Plekto wrote:I really need to see which works better purely passive, IN A CASE.(assuming a single 120mm exhaust fan and a passive/PICO type PS)
That's basically the exact setup I have, but my 120mm fan is an intake, and it's the only one in the case. I'm using the HR-01+, I don't have a Ninja to compare to though.
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Post by farns » Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:35 pm

FartingBob wrote:The ninja rev b passively cools my E6600, unless its a hot day i dont see temps above 54c, and i do alot of video encoding. I did have a 800rpm s-flex fan on there, but after i took it off max temps only rose 2c, so i guess my case airflow is doing most of the work anyway.
Farting whats your case, GPU and fan setup in a nutshell? Have you lapped CPU or HS and does it use the Thermalright bolt-thru? Did you stress test CPU and GPU to create heat or is that under "normal stress" conditions?

Because Mike's review of the Ninja rev.B with bolt-thru still had it behind the TRUE even with very low airflow.

Testing with P95 and 3Dmark I cant quite run my E4300 + TRUE passive. I have an Antec SLK3000B (modded a bit), 2 x 500-600rpm slipstreams and PSU with a piddly 80mm fan that exhausts next to zilch.

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Post by bgavin » Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:55 pm

Check out the new review at FrostyTech.com.

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Post by Elijah86 » Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:27 pm

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article842-page1.html
HR-01 Plus Review!
Sweet! That just seals the deal then.

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Post by bgavin » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:00 am

Doh.

The FrostyTech reference pointed right back to SPCR. Sorry for the circular reference. That will teach me to not count on memory... :shock:

I was very impressed with how thorough this review was, and how well suited the Plus is for low flow cooling. It is also not as wide, which is a problem on some boards.

The bolt-through mounting method is a big plus.

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Post by thejamppa » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:11 am

However that mounting is exact the same with SI-128 SE, meaning you still can be able to rotate cooler even when fully tighten. Simplies way is to use penny mod and place penny between bar and cooler or pretty thick rubber bad. I find with rubber bad between cooler and attachment bar will secure cooler enough tightly to make rotation very hard to do without using significantly force, when without rubber it was easily rotated.
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Post by ceselb » Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:00 am

Does the HR-01 plus need a bolt through kit or is that already part of the package so to speak? I'm a bit confused about that.

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Post by bgavin » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:45 am

I thought all the big Thermalright came with bolt-through as standard equipment?

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