thermaltake Sonic Tower Rev.2 or thermalright HR-01 PLUS ?

vdrturkiye · Post by **vdrturkiye** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 6:53 am

i want to buy htpc.

case : silverstone kl01
http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/ ... 1&area=usa
case fans : thermaltake 12cm TurboFan
http://www.thermaltake.com/product_info ... ov=n&ovid=
or
thermaltake 120mm Silent Reverse Fan
http://www.thermaltake.com/product_info ... ov=n&ovid=
psu : silverstone st45nf (450 watt)
http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/ ... F&area=usa
board : asus p5q-em
http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3& ... odelmenu=1
cpu : intel core 2 quad Q9650
ram : 2 x ocz OCZ DDR2 PC2-6400 Titanium 4GB Edition Dual Channel (totaly 8 gb ram)
http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/m ... al_channel
hard disk for system(windows) : (raid 0) 2 x 120 gb OCZ Vertex Series SATA II 2.5" SSD ( 2 x OCZSSD2-1VTX120G )
http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/f ... ii_2_5-ssd
hard disk for storage (hd-films+mp3+etc): (raid 1) 2 x 1 tb WD Caviar Green 32 mb cache
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=559
dvb-s2 hd card: terratec Cinergy S2 PCI HD
http://www.terratec.net/en/products/Cin ... _2336.html
dvb-t dual tuner : terratec Cinergy 2400i DT
http://www.terratec.net/en/products/Cin ... _1588.html
mouse and keyboard : microsoft Wireless Entertainment Desktop 8000
http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouse ... px?pid=080

cpu cooler ?????????
i cant choose....
i want a silent cooler.
which one is best for my system ?

thermaltake Sonic Tower Rev.2
http://www.thermaltake.com/product_revi ... parent_cp=

or

thermalright HR-01 PLUS
http://www.thermalright.com/new_a_page/ ... VzaWFzdA==

may you help me?

tehfire · Post by **tehfire** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 7:08 am

Definitely the HR-01+. The wider fin spacing allows one to use a lower-aiflow (quieter) fan. Pairing the 01+ with a 500rpm Scythe Slipstream fan will make it extremely quiet, while keeping your processor sufficiently cool.

Also, are you sure about your case fan selection? No fan is going to be very quiet at 1200-1400rpm, especially Thermaltake ones (the company as a whole has a pretty bad reputation around here). As for the frameless fan, they may produce less noise, but they have significantly reduced airflow. If I were you, I would replace the fans with an 800rpm Scythe S-flex fan or Slipstream fan. The S-flex's are pretty expensive, but I just love them to death. Most will go with the Slipstreams.

I'm curious to see how that fanless PSU works out.

vdrturkiye · Post by **vdrturkiye** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 7:17 am

tehfire wrote:Definitely the HR-01+.
I'm curious to see how that fanless PSU works out.

thank you for your advise.
do you advise IFX-10 unit with HR-01+ or no needed ?
http://www.thermalright.com/new_a_page/ ... VzaWFzdA==

and which psu do you advise ?
fanless is unsafe ?

xan_user · Post by **xan_user** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 7:41 am

What ever you do,
Do not buy thermaltake.
-Ever

Edit:
Even if a few of their products are ok, supporting such a consistently poor (loud) company is bad for the market as a whole.

ugrakarma · Post by **ugrakarma** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:16 am

I still have a TT big typhoon in one of the nix boxes and after a fan swap it has been more than ok but oh well considering this is spcr admitting anything remotely positive about 'thermalfake' seems to be a good way to get flamed. Thermalright hr-01 plus is a better choice than the sonic tower in this case though especially if going for the low cfm route.

tehfire · Post by **tehfire** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:09 pm

vdrturkiye wrote:
tehfire wrote:Definitely the HR-01+.
I'm curious to see how that fanless PSU works out.
thank you for your advise.
do you advise IFX-10 unit with HR-01+ or no needed ?
http://www.thermalright.com/new_a_page/ ... VzaWFzdA==

and which psu do you advise ?
fanless is unsafe ?

No need for the IFX-10 - the HR-01+ will do just fine on its own.

I'm not saying that fanless PSUs are doomed to failure, but we've seen many fanless PSUs with reliability issues (Phantom PSUs). I'm sure there is a good fanless PSU out there, but I'd rather just get a quiet PSU and not worry about it. I'd get a Seasonic S12II-330 or 380. I love Seasonic power supplies, and they're not too expensive considering their quality. Another option is the Corsair VX-450.

@ ugrakarma, sorry if we at times seem snobbish against TT. I really enjoy how less frequent flame wars are on SPCR compared to other sites, so if you felt offended I'm sorry. I still have an innate hatred for Thermaltake, though

bonestonne · Post by **bonestonne** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:40 pm

you'll probably have enough speed without running two SSD's in RAID for the OS alone....if not to just lighten the budget a little.

might i also suggest Scythe SlipStream fans instead of Thermalfake's? You'll have much less noise, a much more static pressure to cool the case rather than just moving air.

but i do agree, Thermalright HR-01+ for the heatsink.

ugrakarma · Post by **ugrakarma** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:59 pm

tehfire wrote: @ ugrakarma, sorry if we at times seem snobbish against TT. I really enjoy how less frequent flame wars are on SPCR compared to other sites, so if you felt offended I'm sorry. I still have an innate hatred for Thermaltake, though

No worries I'm just brand agnostic unless something melts my igloo down.

tehfire · Post by **tehfire** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 8:15 pm

What good timing! MikeC just put up an article about your proposed Power Supply. It's still too early to tell about reliability, but he was pleased enough with it. I still wouldn't go for it because it commands too much of a price premium over similarly-powered, fanned units.

vdrturkiye · Post by **vdrturkiye** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:50 pm

what are you thinking about Scythe OROCHI 10Heat Pipes CPU Cooler.
http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/cpu/0 ... etail.html

Scythe OROCHI better than thermalright HR-01+ ?
or same products ?

tehfire · Post by **tehfire** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:50 am

I think the Orochi is too big and unneeded for your application. Save the hassle and stick with the HR-01+

vdrturkiye · Post by **vdrturkiye** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 7:58 am

tehfire wrote:Definitely the HR-01+. The wider fin spacing allows one to use a lower-aiflow (quieter) fan. Pairing the 01+ with a 500rpm Scythe Slipstream fan will make it extremely quiet, while keeping your processor sufficiently cool.

Also, are you sure about your case fan selection? No fan is going to be very quiet at 1200-1400rpm, especially Thermaltake ones (the company as a whole has a pretty bad reputation around here). As for the frameless fan, they may produce less noise, but they have significantly reduced airflow. If I were you, I would replace the fans with an 800rpm Scythe S-flex fan or Slipstream fan. The S-flex's are pretty expensive, but I just love them to death. Most will go with the Slipstreams.

I'm curious to see how that fanless PSU works out.

scythe or noctua ?
noctua specs better than scythe !!! but is it true ?
if noctua specs is true, than i want to use noctua NF-S12-800
http://www.noctua.at/main.php?show=prod ... d=4&lng=en

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/noc ... /index.htm

with noctua;
for HR-01+ : NF-S12-800 with Ultra-Low-Noise Adaptor (U.L.N.A)
what is Ultra-Low-Noise Adaptor (U.L.N.A) = 149 Ohm resistor
500 rpm = 34 mÂ³/h = < 5* dB(A)

for case : NF-S12-800 WITHOUT Ultra-Low-Noise Adaptor (U.L.N.A)
800 rpm = 59 mÂ³/h = 8 dB(A)

but with scythe ;

for HR-01+ : Scythe SLIP STREAM SY1225SL12SL
500 rpm = 41.6mÂ³/h = 7.50 dBA

for case : Scythe S-FLEX SFF21D
800 rpm = 41.6mÂ³/h = 8.7dBA

which one are the best for me ?
scythe or noctua ?

tehfire · Post by **tehfire** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:28 am

The Noctua fans you showed work well in open air, but have problems with more restricted airflow - they do not push very much air, and some report that their Noctuas have a whining noise. Plus, the Noctua fans are much more expensive than the Slipstream fans. I would go with the Slipstream. Noctua does sell the NF-P12 Series, which has much better restricted airflow performance, but they are much more expensive than the slipstreams, so I'd just go with the slipstreams.

Also, are you planning on overclocking your Q9650 at all? If you do, you may wanna get (2) 800rpm fans rather than (1) 500rpm fan and (1) 800rpm fan...

vdrturkiye · Post by **vdrturkiye** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:48 am

tehfire wrote:Also, are you planning on overclocking your Q9650 at all? If you do, you may wanna get (2) 800rpm fans rather than (1) 500rpm fan and (1) 800rpm fan...

i never use overclocking with my Q9650.
for cpu cooloing 500 rpm
for case 2 pieces 800 rpm
enough or not ?

and has NF-P12 Series same problem (restricted airflow-whining noise) or not ? proce not important for me. i want to buy best one.
and thank you for your all support dear @tehfire.

tehfire · Post by **tehfire** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 7:32 am

The NF-P12 series do not have the same problems as the others, but as bluefront found, they're still not as good for pushing air around as Scythe S-flex fans or Yate-loon fans.

I'd personally get a Scythe S-flex and use a Zalman Fanmate 2 to run the RPM's to 625. At that speed, my single S-flex is inaudible in my system. At 800rpm, i can slightly hear it, but you may not mind. Also, you should be able to get by with only (1) case fan, but if you want the extra one that's not a problem.

vdrturkiye · Post by **vdrturkiye** » Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:33 am

tehfire wrote:I'd personally get a Scythe S-flex and use a Zalman Fanmate 2 to run the RPM's to 625.

okey, i use 2 pieces scythe s-flex SFF21D 800 rpm for case.
and 1 piece scythe s-flex SFF21D 800 rpm for cpu cooler.

but i think i can not use zalman fanmate2. beause it uses 3 pin motherboard connector. but my asus board has a 4 pin connector for fans. can i use fanmate2 with my asus p5q-em or not ?
i want use 500-625 rpm s-flex SFF21D fan like you for cpu cooler.

tehfire · Post by **tehfire** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:18 am

Yes, you can use the FanMate2 on a 4-pin connector. You may have to disable something called Q-fan or Smart-fan in your BIOS in order to use the Fanmate properly, though. Q-fan is a technology that variably controls the voltage sent to the fan header (thus influencing the speed of the connected fan) depending on system temperature. Since you're controlling the voltage itself, you want the header to output 12v constantly, thus you may need to disable Q-fan in your BIOS.

fmpt · Post by **fmpt** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:48 am

Hello vdrturkiye:

Could you tell us how it turned out?

What's finally your system components (CPU and case fans, etc.) and noise perceived?

I am planning on building something with Asus P5Q3 Deluxe WiFi/AP

Thanks

thermaltake Sonic Tower Rev.2 or thermalright HR-01 PLUS ?

thermaltake Sonic Tower Rev.2 or thermalright HR-01 PLUS ?

how did it turn out?!!