Ninja (original) on 1156

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Ninja (original) on 1156

Post by Captain John » Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:03 pm

I'm currently considering a motherboard/memory/CPU upgrade. My current system includes:
Asus p5b-e
Core2 e6600
Scythe Ninja (original) w/Nexus fan
P180
2GB Crucial Ballistix ram (I've had 6GB of this stuff go bad on me thus far, it's a major reason I'm upgrading, DDR2 is too expensive to get just to have on hand)
Intel 80GB gen2 ssd
Seasonic 330W PSU

So, what I have now is a very quiet system, and having gotten it there I really don't want to move to something louder. I'm looking at socket 1156 motherboards, and either an i5 750 or an i7 860. My question: is there any way I can reuse the Ninja (original with socket 478 mounting clips)? I saw some information online about using a Ninja plus 2 with the thermalright mounting bracket, but don't know if it's at all relevant to the original Ninja. I really don't want to get a lesser cooler, and the only other options seem to be that Megahalems thing, that comes in at $70USD after shipping. I'm aware of the Xigmatek s1283 (I actually have one for another machine), and there should be an adapter available from them, but I don't think it will cool better than my original Ninja.

Any advice?

Thanks,
John

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Re: Ninja (original) on 1156

Post by cmthomson » Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:25 pm

Captain John wrote:I'm aware of the Xigmatek s1283 (I actually have one for another machine), and there should be an adapter available from them, but I don't think it will cool better than my original Ninja.
Not better than the original Ninja, but almost exactly the same. It has better IHS to heat-pipe transfer, but smaller fins, resulting in a nearly identical temperature rise.

That said, I too have an original Ninja that I'd hate to throw away migrating to 1156, so a 1156/478 conversion kit would be nice indeed.

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Post by chienpourri » Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:32 am

Same thing here! I have an original Ninja (complete with backplate) sitting in its retail box for a couple of years now... I was actually looking at a way to fit this one on LGA1156 for my soon-to-be-bought PC, so if anyone has a guide on how to do that I would be very grateful!

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Post by Captain John » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:04 am

FWIW, it seems that all ASROCK socket 1156 motherboards have dual heatsink mounting holes (775 and 1156). I, personally, am not certain I want an ASROCK motherboard for this particular machine.

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Post by CA_Steve » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:39 am

The Xigmatek ACK-I5361 says it will fit 775, 1156, and 1366. It's $10 or less. Buy it, try it, and let us know :D

Or buy the Thermalright version (also $10) and let us know.

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Post by Captain John » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:49 am

I've got the PDF for the Xigmatek mounting mechanism up, but I don't see how it's going to help me mount a original Ninja to a socket 1156 board. I have no welding equipment, and would prefer not to mount a bracket to another bracket on the CPU side of the board (the only method I see as available using this kit).

How are you suggesting that I use this?

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Post by CA_Steve » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:24 am

Sorry - no welding here. Perhaps some dremel time.

I was thinking the ninja front plate could be unscrewed and replaced by the front plate of one of these kits. Or, the existing ninja front plate has a large enough slot to map into the 1156 hole positions. Or, there is enough metal on the existing ninja front plate to dremel out a larger slot for the 1156 hole position.

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Post by cmthomson » Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:01 pm

That's not how the original Ninja works.

It has a backplate and two front-mount bars that have raised slots that match the old AMD mounting style. The heat sink itself has four hooks that go into the slots of the bars; the hooks are under tension when inserted, resulting in excellent pressure.

It is only the later Ninjas that came with replaceable mounting. Those ones (all of them inferior to the original) could indeed be mated with a recent Xigmatek or other 775 emulator.

Look here for photos of the original Ninja: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article251-page3.html

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Post by CA_Steve » Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:14 pm

ah. bummer.

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Post by dutchie » Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:29 pm

I was thinking of trying the same thing with my old Scythe NCU-2005. It's been cooling my setup passively for about 4 years now. Would be great if I could use it with the new 1156 i7 setup I'm planning to build.

Not sure if a totally fanless approach like my old setup will work though with these hot processors. But worth a try. I get very good convection in my current setup.

CA_Steve, when you say front plate, do you mean the copper heat spreader that the cooler screws into?

Cheers,
Dutchie

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Post by CA_Steve » Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:35 pm

dutchie wrote: CA_Steve, when you say front plate, do you mean the copper heat spreader that the cooler screws into?
Ah, no. The newer Ninja for 775 has two parts to it, the cooler, and then the adapter/attachment plate with the push pins. You screw this plate onto the cooler and then this fits onto the 775 heatspreader. If you have an AMD CPU, then there is a different "front side" plate for the cooler.

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Post by dutchie » Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:53 pm

The NCU-2005 uses the same heatspreader for AMD or Intel. It comes with different fixings for the 775 cpu, and an extra backplate. See http://www.scythe.co.jp/en/cooler/manual/NCU2005.pdf

So not sure how easy it will be to put it on an 1156 i7. Guess I'll just have to wait and see once I get my motherboard and CPU.

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Post by Rebellious » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:42 pm

I think the original Ninjas with the Maltese cross will be collector's items, even with those UGLY lugnuts Scythe puts on top. What will happen if you unscrew them useless ugly nuts? Also with a nice hole in the middle they will also make good lampholders.

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