Thermaltake Silent Boost
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Thermaltake Silent Boost
I know you people here don't have much faith in Thermaltake's "quiet" products and neither do I, but always good to know what they're up to.
http://www.thermaltake.com/products/hea ... tBoost.htm
Copper base looks strikingly similiar to some Thermalright models, IMO
Thermaltake Silent Boost
Thermalright SLK-900-U
http://www.thermaltake.com/products/hea ... tBoost.htm
Copper base looks strikingly similiar to some Thermalright models, IMO
Thermaltake Silent Boost
Thermalright SLK-900-U
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Hmm, the fan uses "hydro wave bearings", which makes it sound like they're borrowing Panaflo technology. The quoted specs are also interesting: 27.5CFM, 21dBA, 2450RPM. That puts it somewhere between the L and M series Panaflo's, doesn't it?
I count 34 fins on the SLK-900, vs. 41 fins on the Thermaltake. Then again, the Thermaltake looks to be much wider, so its fins might even be more spaced out, making it well-adapted for low-flow fans. Personally, I think the shape of the SLK-900 is better-looking, but if the thing's gonna be buried in my case, that doesn't matter. There's no mention of the heatsink's mass, so the 3-holed clip could either be more appropriate than a through-the-board mount, or it could be dangerous to use.
...Thermaltake might have gotten it right for once!
I count 34 fins on the SLK-900, vs. 41 fins on the Thermaltake. Then again, the Thermaltake looks to be much wider, so its fins might even be more spaced out, making it well-adapted for low-flow fans. Personally, I think the shape of the SLK-900 is better-looking, but if the thing's gonna be buried in my case, that doesn't matter. There's no mention of the heatsink's mass, so the 3-holed clip could either be more appropriate than a through-the-board mount, or it could be dangerous to use.
...Thermaltake might have gotten it right for once!
They're not borrowing Panaflo technology, it is a panaflo.SometimesWarrior wrote:Hmm, the fan uses "hydro wave bearings", which makes it sound like they're borrowing Panaflo technology. The quoted specs are also interesting: 27.5CFM, 21dBA, 2450RPM. That puts it somewhere between the L and M series Panaflo's, doesn't it?
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Peel that Tt sticker off and you've got yourself one of the rare Panaflo FBL series fans. Digikey carries them, I've never seen 'em anywhere else. Don't bother checking panasonic's site, they're not even listed.
There was some discussion of them here a long time ago: Panaflo FBL series? and Panaflo FBA vs FBL series fans? In a nutshell, the L1A's are quieter in free air, but the FBL's may be quieter with backpressure, although the CFM will drop. Which one would work best is very application-specific. Tt is probably using them because they look different and new, and sometimes that's all you need to move product.
Ah! I knew the fan looked familiar. The heatsink is huge and resembles thermalrights but I've had crappy experiences with thermaltake in the past...Rusty075 wrote: They're not borrowing Panaflo technology, it is a panaflo.
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Russ, I think you're right, and this thermaltake actually may have a decent chance to be a pretty good, pretty quiet model right out of the box. Now if they included one of the little 3-position speed switches, it would be even better, but a fanmate1 is pretty cheap. Let's see if we can round one up for a review!
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please review!!!
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Where are these things sold?
The Thermaltake *might* even have an advantage: it's fins are barely overhung by the fan and there appears to be a shroud that "directs" all the air through the fins, so it seems to avoid the inelegant "waste" of air flow that the Thermalright 'sinks have...miker wrote:So essentially, Thermaltake make a nearly exact duplicate of an SLK-800A, and put a Panaflo on top. What a novel concept! It will be interesting to see how it performs vs the SLK-800/L1A combo.
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Is this not the essense of capitalistic competition? They MAY be doing it & selling it more cheaply.miker wrote:So essentially, Thermaltake make a nearly exact duplicate of an SLK-800A, and put a Panaflo on top. What a novel concept! It will be interesting to see how it performs vs the SLK-800/L1A combo.
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Capitalistic: yes. My only problem is that the design of the sink itself looks dangerously close to some kind of patent infringement, assuming Thermalright had a patent.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not some sort of Thermalright fanboy, and if TT can make a better bear trap, I'm all for it. I just like to see a little more innovation over duplication.
Curious about that fan, though. I never did getting around to trying an FBL. (Probably the only Panaflo that hasn't been delivered to my door )
Don't get me wrong, I'm not some sort of Thermalright fanboy, and if TT can make a better bear trap, I'm all for it. I just like to see a little more innovation over duplication.
Curious about that fan, though. I never did getting around to trying an FBL. (Probably the only Panaflo that hasn't been delivered to my door )
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Well, this doesn't mean they have a patent, but they're obviously up in arms about something there. They have this big text tattooed on their home page, in ALL CAPS. Of course they don't give patent numbers on their site.
IN ORDER TO CONSISTENTLY DEVELOP THE BEST AND MOST INNOVATIVE PRODUCTS TO SERVICE OUR CUSTOMERS, THERMALRIGHT MUST VIGOROUSLY PROTECT ITS INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS.
THE FOLLOWING PRODUCT ADMONISHMENT DRAFTED BY OUR CORPORATE COUNSEL SERVES AS NOTICE TO INFORM THE PUBLIC REGARDING THERMALRIGHT INC.'S RESOVLVE IN THE PROTECTION OF ITS' INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS.
WARNING: ALL OF THE DESIGN ELEMENTS OF THIS PRODUCT ARE LEGALLY PROTECTED INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS. ANY COUNTRERFEIT COPY, IMITATION, RE-CREATION, DUPLICATION OR SALE AND/OR DISTRIBUTION OF THIS PRODUCT OR OF ANY ELEMENTS OF THE DESIGN OF THIS PRODUCT WILL CONSTITUTE A DIRECT VIOLATION OF PROTECTED INTERNATIONAL PATENTS, COPYRIGHTS, AND LICENSING AGREEMENTS AND WILL SUBJECT ANY INDIVIDUALS OR ENTITIES IMITATING THE DESIGN OR SELLING AND DISTRIBUTING, COUNTERFEITING, IMITATIONS OR RECREATIONS TO MONETARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO FINES, PENALTIES AND ATTORNEYS' FEES PLUS INJUNCTIVE RELIEF FOR EACH VIOLATION. ANY PERSONS OR ENTITIES WHO ARE FOUND TO HAVE SOLD, DISTRIBUTED OR COUNTERFEITED, IMITATED, COPIED, OR DUPLICATED THIS PRODUCT OR ANY ELEMENTS OF THE DESIGN OF THIS PRODUCT WILL BE PROSECUTED TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW.
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Mike's right, what's to pat.?
Tricky business pattens, you have to prove that you invented something unique, and not just adapted something from one use to another.
Since heatsinks are used on everything from transistors to motorcycle engines, what is unique here.
They might, however, have a trademark on the shape, that is more possible. Still, they sure weren't the first person/company to strap some fins on a computer chip.
Since heatsinks are used on everything from transistors to motorcycle engines, what is unique here.
They might, however, have a trademark on the shape, that is more possible. Still, they sure weren't the first person/company to strap some fins on a computer chip.
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There is one big difference
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There is one big difference: the Thermalright's have that truncated triangular copper "tunnel" around the clip, whereas the Thermaltake just has a slot in the fins. Besides, how many zillions of copper finned HS are there?
The Thermaltake has an aluminum frame/shroud that holds the fan with screws -- the Thermalright has stepped fins and wire retainers. (Actually, this part of the Thermaltake reminds me more of the Alpha...)
The 'take has more fins and has a nearly square shape when viewed from the top -- the 'right has the imfamous "underhang"...
And the most obvious difference: the 'take comes with a fan -- and what looks to be a pretty *sweet* one at that!
Has anybody found a seller of this particular Thermaltake?
There is one big difference: the Thermalright's have that truncated triangular copper "tunnel" around the clip, whereas the Thermaltake just has a slot in the fins. Besides, how many zillions of copper finned HS are there?
The Thermaltake has an aluminum frame/shroud that holds the fan with screws -- the Thermalright has stepped fins and wire retainers. (Actually, this part of the Thermaltake reminds me more of the Alpha...)
The 'take has more fins and has a nearly square shape when viewed from the top -- the 'right has the imfamous "underhang"...
And the most obvious difference: the 'take comes with a fan -- and what looks to be a pretty *sweet* one at that!
Has anybody found a seller of this particular Thermaltake?
- This link says Silent Boost will be available in August 2003 worldwide.
Silent Boost will be available in August 2003 worldwide. Please visit www.thermaltake.com for detail specification and future updates. Thermaltake supports custom modifications of any of these products.
Regarding Thermaltake's products:
Yes I must admit they seem to be making some strange products, even for overclockers. Not much from them to get if you're a SPCR reader maybe.. but:
I found a 80mm fan from them that I consider quite good for silencing purposes. It's sold with the product number A1530 on the retail box but the actual fan is labeled TT-8025A. It uses sleeve bearing and spins at 1500 RPM at 12V. I never found this fan on their homepage, just some TT-8025A-2B that was not even close in specs.
Personally I think the actual noise from the fan motor is low, I consider it to be as usable as Panaflo L1A. Then again the Panaflo spins at a higher RPM at 12V.
Yes I must admit they seem to be making some strange products, even for overclockers. Not much from them to get if you're a SPCR reader maybe.. but:
I found a 80mm fan from them that I consider quite good for silencing purposes. It's sold with the product number A1530 on the retail box but the actual fan is labeled TT-8025A. It uses sleeve bearing and spins at 1500 RPM at 12V. I never found this fan on their homepage, just some TT-8025A-2B that was not even close in specs.
Personally I think the actual noise from the fan motor is low, I consider it to be as usable as Panaflo L1A. Then again the Panaflo spins at a higher RPM at 12V.
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Silent Boost is for sale @ New Egg!
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Well, I just found that this HS is for sale at New Egg:
It is $40 + $6 for shipping:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.a ... 35-106-033
Well, I just found that this HS is for sale at New Egg:
It is $40 + $6 for shipping:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.a ... 35-106-033
Much Cheaper
And still cheaper!
Your local Fry's Electronics (if they're in your area) has them for $29.99.
Overclocker Cafe Review
Another Review
And still cheaper!
Your local Fry's Electronics (if they're in your area) has them for $29.99.
Overclocker Cafe Review
Another Review
I don't like the litigious attitude Thermalright is taking about its product. It seems like they are trying to scare away potential competitors so that they won't have to compete. This ultimately stifles innovation because other companies are less likely to try and improve upon Thermalright's design. It's like the SCO Linux lawsuit that appears to be brewing. (SCO by the way is a Microsoft subcontractor or something like that. Perhaps that has something to do with why SCO is trying to initiate that suit.) The Thermaltake heatsink is sufficiently different enough that I think thermaltake would win any lawsuit.
Differences between Thermalright products and Thermaltake Products:
The fans on the Silent Boost and Volcano 12 are mounted using screws, while the Thermalright products incorprate wire clips to hold the fan down.
The Silent Boost and Volcano 12 feature shrouds to much more efficiently direct air over their heatsinks, as stated before, without the inelegant waste of the Thermalright heatsinks.
The geometry of the Thermalright sinks are such that there is a good amount of overhang outside the area covered by the fan. In the case of the Thermaltake heatsinks, the entire heatsink fits underneath the fan. The Thermaltake heatsinks are much smaller in size because of this.
As mentioned before, the Thermalrights have their clip in that truncated tunnel, while the thermaltakes have a channel that runs the entire length of a heatsink.
In fact, almost the only similarity is the Silent Boost's 41 closely-spaced copper fins. If Thermalright wants to sue anyone who uses closely-spaced copper fins, then they should sue AVC because their Tundra heatsink has some closely-spaced copper fins. Granted, though, the Silent Boost is a mcuh larger chunk of copper. Anyway, Thermalright can get prepared to be laughed at.
Thermalright should stop pissing and moaning that maybe someone else makes a better product (or at least one that certainly has the potential to compete - see my above post about OC Cafe's review of the Silent Boost) and drop their "get behind us (in technology) or we'll sue your pants off" mentality or they are going to lose a lot of respect from the modding community (just like Bose sues for slander anyone who writes a bad review of their products and nobody likes them except the uneducated who buy into the marketing.) If Thermalright's products are really in all that much danger of being eclipsed by Thermaltake's new offerings, then Thermalright should respond with a burst of R&D to make their products better instead of just trying to sue anyone who makes a better product.
Differences between Thermalright products and Thermaltake Products:
The fans on the Silent Boost and Volcano 12 are mounted using screws, while the Thermalright products incorprate wire clips to hold the fan down.
The Silent Boost and Volcano 12 feature shrouds to much more efficiently direct air over their heatsinks, as stated before, without the inelegant waste of the Thermalright heatsinks.
The geometry of the Thermalright sinks are such that there is a good amount of overhang outside the area covered by the fan. In the case of the Thermaltake heatsinks, the entire heatsink fits underneath the fan. The Thermaltake heatsinks are much smaller in size because of this.
As mentioned before, the Thermalrights have their clip in that truncated tunnel, while the thermaltakes have a channel that runs the entire length of a heatsink.
In fact, almost the only similarity is the Silent Boost's 41 closely-spaced copper fins. If Thermalright wants to sue anyone who uses closely-spaced copper fins, then they should sue AVC because their Tundra heatsink has some closely-spaced copper fins. Granted, though, the Silent Boost is a mcuh larger chunk of copper. Anyway, Thermalright can get prepared to be laughed at.
Thermalright should stop pissing and moaning that maybe someone else makes a better product (or at least one that certainly has the potential to compete - see my above post about OC Cafe's review of the Silent Boost) and drop their "get behind us (in technology) or we'll sue your pants off" mentality or they are going to lose a lot of respect from the modding community (just like Bose sues for slander anyone who writes a bad review of their products and nobody likes them except the uneducated who buy into the marketing.) If Thermalright's products are really in all that much danger of being eclipsed by Thermaltake's new offerings, then Thermalright should respond with a burst of R&D to make their products better instead of just trying to sue anyone who makes a better product.
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It doesn't come with any thermal paste, nor a thermal pad attached to the bottom.
The bottom looks fine, although if you're a perfectionist, you may want to lap it.
In my box, with *admittedly poor airflow* (the only fan I use is the PSU, to keep the noise down), the idle temp is 35 C, the load temp is about 50 C. Of course YMMV.
The bottom looks fine, although if you're a perfectionist, you may want to lap it.
In my box, with *admittedly poor airflow* (the only fan I use is the PSU, to keep the noise down), the idle temp is 35 C, the load temp is about 50 C. Of course YMMV.