Reeven Justice: will it be reviewed by SPCR?

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Reeven Justice: will it be reviewed by SPCR?

Post by quest_for_silence » Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:05 am

Reeven, the gaming brand/division of Scythe, released its new tower cooler, named the Justice.

Seemingly a beefed-up Kotetsu, on [H] it just performed admirably well: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/07/ ... 44ILKLLLF9

Will it worth an SPCR review? I hope so.
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Re: Reeven Justice: will it be reviewed by SPCR?

Post by NeilBlanchard » Tue Jul 19, 2016 4:45 am

It has two additional pairs of heatpipes - a 50% increase. It is 2mm taller (which may not matter), at 162mm vs 160mm.

Very interesting, and it may well come down to the quality of the base and the mounting hardware.
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Re: Reeven Justice: will it be reviewed by SPCR?

Post by Abula » Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:10 am

Seems very interesting, specially because of the price, @ $40 if it performs that well, it should be recommended over the Kotetsu and Ninja4 around $48 offerings.
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Re: Reeven Justice: will it be reviewed by SPCR?

Post by quest_for_silence » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:50 am

Abula wrote:Seems very interesting, specially because of the price, @ $40 if it performs that well, it should be recommended over the Kotetsu and Ninja4 around $48 offerings.
Well, I didn't want to wait for Mike and Lawrence (if ever, I doubt), so I imported (it's not sold here) one sample last october, and this weekend I did some brief testing.

Given the (obvious) repeatability and reproducibility limits, I leave here just the raw results, not my judgements/assessments/feelings (it's not a user review).

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║         ║         ║  Core i5 4.2GHz   ║    ║  Core i7 4.4GHz   ║    ║  Core i7 4.7GHz   ║
║         ║         ║       3570        ║    ║       2600        ║    ║        2600       ║
║         ║         ║    +16mV vcore    ║    ║   +136mV vcore    ║    ║   +184mV vcore    ║
║   Fan   ║ Cooler  ║ ~135W (~47W idle) ║    ║ ~215W (~51W idle) ║    ║ ~245W (~52W idle) ║
║   RPM   ║ tested  ╠════╦════╦════╦════╣    ╠════╦════╦════╦════╣    ╠════╦════╦════╦════╣
║         ║         ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║
║         ║         ║  1 ║  2 ║  3 ║  4 ║    ║  1 ║  2 ║  3 ║  4 ║    ║  1 ║  2 ║  3 ║  4 ║
║         ║         ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║
╠═════════╬═════════╬════╬════╬════╬════╣    ╠════╬════╬════╬════╣    ╠════╬════╬════╬════╣
║         ║         ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║
║         ║ Justice ║ 81 ║ 86 ║ 86 ║ 83 ║    ║ 87 ║ 93 ║ 93 ║ 91 ║    ║ ****** FAIL ***** ║
║  275rpm ║ Kotetsu ║ 82 ║ 87 ║ 87 ║ 84 ║    ║ 84 ║ 90 ║ 91 ║ 89 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║
║         ║ Ninja 4 ║ 75 ║ 82 ║ 81 ║ 78 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║    ║ ****** FAIL ***** ║
║         ║         ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║
╠═════════╬═════════╬════╬════╬════╬════╣    ╠════╬════╬════╬════╣    ╠════╬════╬════╬════╣
║         ║         ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║
║         ║ Justice ║ 68 ║ 75 ║ 75 ║ 71 ║    ║ 82 ║ 87 ║ 89 ║ 85 ║    ║ ****** FAIL ***** ║
║  470rpm ║ Kotetsu ║ 66 ║ 74 ║ 74 ║ 70 ║    ║ 72 ║ 78 ║ 80 ║ 77 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║
║         ║ Ninja 4 ║ 64 ║ 71 ║ 71 ║ 67 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║    ║ ****** FAIL ***** ║
║         ║         ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║
╠═════════╬═════════╬════╬════╬════╬════╣    ╠════╬════╬════╬════╣    ╠════╬════╬════╬════╣
║         ║         ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║
║         ║ Justice ║ 61 ║ 68 ║ 68 ║ 65 ║    ║ 71 ║ 77 ║ 79 ║ 75 ║    ║ ****** FAIL ***** ║
║  670rpm ║ Kotetsu ║ 60 ║ 68 ║ 67 ║ 65 ║    ║ 67 ║ 72 ║ 74 ║ 72 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║
║         ║ Ninja 4 ║ 59 ║ 66 ║ 66 ║ 64 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║    ║ 71 ║ 78 ║ 79 ║ 75 ║
║         ║         ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║
╠═════════╬═════════╬════╬════╬════╬════╣    ╠════╬════╬════╬════╣    ╠════╬════╬════╬════╣
║         ║         ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║
║         ║ Justice ║ 57 ║ 64 ║ 64 ║ 62 ║    ║ 67 ║ 72 ║ 74 ║ 71 ║    ║ 68 ║ 75 ║ 76 ║ 74 ║
║  880rpm ║ Kotetsu ║ 58 ║ 65 ║ 66 ║ 63 ║    ║ 64 ║ 69 ║ 72 ║ 68 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║
║         ║ Ninja 4 ║ 57 ║ 64 ║ 65 ║ 61 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║    ║ 66 ║ 73 ║ 74 ║ 72 ║
║         ║         ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║
╠═════════╬═════════╬════╬════╬════╬════╣    ╠════╬════╬════╬════╣    ╠════╬════╬════╬════╣
║         ║         ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║
║         ║ Justice ║ 56 ║ 62 ║ 63 ║ 60 ║    ║ 64 ║ 69 ║ 70 ║ 67 ║    ║ 68 ║ 74 ║ 76 ║ 73 ║
║ 1060rpm ║ Kotetsu ║ 56 ║ 64 ║ 64 ║ 60 ║    ║ 63 ║ 67 ║ 69 ║ 66 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║
║         ║ Ninja 4 ║ 56 ║ 62 ║ 63 ║ 59 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║    ║ 66 ║ 72 ║ 73 ║ 70 ║
║         ║         ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║
╠═════════╬═════════╬════╬════╬════╬════╣    ╠════╬════╬════╬════╣    ╠════╬════╬════╬════╣
║         ║         ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║
║         ║ Justice ║ 56 ║ 63 ║ 62 ║ 60 ║    ║ 60 ║ 65 ║ 66 ║ 62 ║    ║ 68 ║ 74 ║ 76 ║ 73 ║
║ 1260rpm ║ Kotetsu ║ 56 ║ 63 ║ 63 ║ 60 ║    ║ 61 ║ 66 ║ 68 ║ 65 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║
║         ║ Ninja 4 ║ 54 ║ 60 ║ 62 ║ 58 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║    ║ 63 ║ 69 ║ 71 ║ 67 ║
║         ║         ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║
╠═════════╬═════════╬════╬════╬════╬════╣    ╠════╬════╬════╬════╣    ╠════╬════╬════╬════╣
║         ║         ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║
║         ║ Justice ║ 55 ║ 61 ║ 62 ║ 59 ║    ║ 59 ║ 65 ║ 65 ║ 61 ║    ║ 64 ║ 71 ║ 73 ║ 69 ║
║ 1500rpm ║ Kotetsu ║ 57 ║ 64 ║ 64 ║ 61 ║    ║ 60 ║ 65 ║ 67 ║ 63 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║
║         ║ Ninja 4 ║ 53 ║ 60 ║ 61 ║ 58 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║    ║ 63 ║ 68 ║ 70 ║ 66 ║
║         ║         ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║
╠═════════╬═════════╬════╬════╬════╬════╣    ╠════╬════╬════╬════╣    ╠════╬════╬════╬════╣
║         ║         ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║
║         ║ Justice ║ 53 ║ 60 ║ 61 ║ 57 ║    ║ 56 ║ 61 ║ 63 ║ 60 ║    ║ 62 ║ 68 ║ 70 ║ 66 ║
║ 2000rpm ║ Kotetsu ║ 55 ║ 62 ║ 62 ║ 59 ║    ║ 59 ║ 65 ║ 65 ║ 62 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║
║         ║ Ninja 4 ║ 51 ║ 57 ║ 59 ║ 56 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║    ║ 61 ║ 66 ║ 68 ║ 64 ║
║         ║         ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║
╠═════════╬═════════╬════╬════╬════╬════╣    ╠════╬════╬════╬════╣    ╠════╬════╬════╬════╣
║         ║         ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║
║         ║ Justice ║ 54 ║ 61 ║ 61 ║ 58 ║    ║ 55 ║ 60 ║ 61 ║ 57 ║    ║ 60 ║ 65 ║ 66 ║ 62 ║
║ 3000rpm ║ Kotetsu ║ 53 ║ 61 ║ 61 ║ 57 ║    ║ 57 ║ 63 ║ 65 ║ 62 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║
║         ║ Ninja 4 ║ 51 ║ 58 ║ 59 ║ 56 ║    ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║ -- ║    ║ 59 ║ 65 ║ 65 ║ 62 ║
║         ║         ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║    ║
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Oh, I forgot a family shot! :mrgreen:
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Well, have a nice weekend!

P.S.: corrected some data, screenshots on request.
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Re: Reeven Justice: will it be reviewed by SPCR?

Post by CA_Steve » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:28 am

Nice. How would you compare fan sound quality over the 275-1060rpm range?
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Re: Reeven Justice: will it be reviewed by SPCR?

Post by quest_for_silence » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:52 am

CA_Steve wrote:Nice. How would you compare fan sound quality over the 275-1060rpm range?

Well, Steve, the yellow fan cannot go that low, actually it spins ~380rpm -> ~1590rpm driven by PWM (it may go down to ~290rpm driven by voltage): I did the temperature testing with my reference fans (reference but not favourites), the Noctua iPPC 3000 PWM.

Subjectively it's about comparable to the Glidestream PWM of the Kotetsu: some less ticking, same vibrations level, maybe a touch rougher over 600rpm (or tonally pitched lower than the Scythe sibling)... its only real drawback seems to be the presence of an odd pulsating hum above 750rpm, but unfortunately I didn't investigate further about that, because it's really horribly looking (IMO, of course): just another time I got such a feeling, dealing with a Noctua S12B.
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Re: Reeven Justice: will it be reviewed by SPCR?

Post by CA_Steve » Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:00 am

quest_for_silence wrote:I did the temperature testing with my reference fans (reference but not favourites), the Noctua iPPC 3000 PWM.
Aha! :)
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Re: Reeven Justice: will it be reviewed by SPCR?

Post by quest_for_silence » Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:36 am

CA_Steve wrote:
quest_for_silence wrote:I did the temperature testing with my reference fans (reference but not favourites), the Noctua iPPC 3000 PWM.
Aha! :)
I'm not sure I got your "Aha!"! :?:
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Re: Reeven Justice: will it be reviewed by SPCR?

Post by CA_Steve » Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:21 am

Using a reference fan for the test is a critical piece of information. Without knowing this, we'd just assume you used the stock fans.
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Re: Reeven Justice: will it be reviewed by SPCR?

Post by quest_for_silence » Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:08 pm

CA_Steve wrote:Using a reference fan for the test is a critical piece of information. Without knowing this, we'd just assume you used the stock fans.

As I learned from SPCR, a reference fan is somehow a need: how can you measure anything if there is no prototype metre bar?

The iPPC 3000s are enough flexible (200-3000!), enough "silent" (ahem...), enough powerful, so after I ditched my watercooling station I recycled them as benching reference.

In this case because to test the Justice I just put it in service on a rig of mines... and somewhat surprisingly got no improvements: so, to further investigate my concerns, I put on this session.

BTW, in this specific case using the Glidestream (Kotetsu), the Slipstream SC (Ninja 4), or the yellow fan (Justice) as a reference should give comparable results (NOT comparable to the iPPC ones, I mean among each other), 'cause all the three fans should be rather close (but I'll check it out next weekend).
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Re: Reeven Justice: will it be reviewed by SPCR?

Post by edh » Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:26 pm

Very detailed testing Luca! Looks like the Ninja 4 just wins although the differences are small enough that most users would not notice.
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Re: Reeven Justice: will it be reviewed by SPCR?

Post by CA_Steve » Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:39 pm

It's also a nice dive into how much metal do you need vs rpm for i5 vs i7 and OC levels.
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Re: Reeven Justice: will it be reviewed by SPCR?

Post by quest_for_silence » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:50 pm

CA_Steve wrote:It's also a nice dive into how much metal do you need vs rpm for i5 vs i7 and OC levels.
(Set aside formatting errors... :roll: ).
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