Info on Seasonic M12 (and more: V8 and new S12 models)

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Re: Info on Seasonic M12 (and more: V8 and new S12 models)

Post by dhanson865 » Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:58 pm

rpsgc wrote:Seasonic M12

- It'll be available in 500, 600 and 700W models
- It is the same base model as the S12 but it's modular AND has an extra 60mm fan at the back (thermo-regulated; only starts spinning at a given internal temperature)

Seasonic S12 update

New "Energy +" models: 550 and 650W (80Plus certified).

The Seasonic M12 is expected to come out in June and the Energy + S12 in May.
Anybody have revised timeframes on these? I still haven't seen a review, pricing, or availabilty info of any kind...

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Post by Redzo » Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:05 am

dhanson865 wrote:So you think quad core single socket won't be common enough for me to be concerned about any time soon. How about dual core dual socket AKA 4x4? Those parts are expected this year.
Well I hope I'm wrong, but you can forget about them out this year. They will demonstrate them but as we all know road between demo and actual availability is loooong in some cases. Think Ati and many, many so called paper launches we have seen in past.

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Re: Info on Seasonic M12 (and more: V8 and new S12 models)

Post by Tephras » Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:35 am

dhanson865 wrote:Anybody have revised timeframes on these? I still haven't seen a review, pricing, or availabilty info of any kind...
On the frontpage of seasonicusa.com it says the M12 will be available in september.

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Post by continuum » Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:17 am

Hmm, september...

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Press Release(s)

Post by sjschwinn » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:15 pm

continuum wrote:Hmm, september...
http://www.seasonicusa.com/news8.htm

Seasonic Introduces the M12 Modular Series - The Powerful & Flexible Solution
08 / 2006

[01 August 2006, Taipei, Taiwan] Today, Sea Sonic Electronics introduces the new M12 series power supplies with detachable modular DC cable made for the Do-It-Yourself (DIY) system builders, gamers and Over-clocker enthusiasts. These state of the art power supplies provide the utmost flexibility without any compromise to performance, quality, silence and efficiency.

The M12 series is available in three power levels, the M12-500, M12-600 and the M12-700, which is powerful enough for high end, high performance Quad graphics applications. Each model provides system builders the flexibility to create the most suitable combination of connectors to minimize clutter and optimize airflow in their PC systems. Inside each carton there are up to 10 HDD, 8 Serial ATA and 2 FDD connectors. The M12-500 and M12-600 comes with 2 PCI-E connectors whereas the M12-700 is supplied with 4 PCI-E connectors. All cables are sleeved in flexible black mesh to provide a clean and tidy solution.

As with all Seasonic high power models, the M12 series is built according to the highest level of quality and specifications. Amongst many standard features included are the use of high grade and high temperature rated internal components and ball bearing fans mounted on soft rubber cushions. The use of a double forward converter circuit design coupled with active power factor correction ensures that these power supplies achieve some of the highest efficiency ratings in the industry. Additionally, Seasonic’s proprietary dual magnetic circuit design enables the M12 power supplies to maintain a tight 3% tolerance on the all important 12VDC output line which is so critical to gamers and Over-clockers who seek stability even at maximum system loads.

Additional to the modular cables that set the M12 series apart from the other series is the extra 6cm ball bearing fan to provide additional cooling and reduction of internal hot spots in the power supply. Similar to the main 12cm ball bearing fan, the 6cm fan is mounted on soft rubber cushion and is governed by Seasonic’s high performance Super Silent Fan Control [S2FC]. But unlike the continuous rotation 12cm fan, this 6cm fan will only rotate when extra cooling power is required. This special feature makes the Seasonic M12 series one of the most silent power supplies available on the market today. At Seasonic, even with the added modularity, all details are considered to ensure quality and reliability.

The Seasonic M12 series fulfills European Union regulations for RoHS, WEEE and most major worldwide safety requirements. These power supplies represent the ultimate solution in modularity, efficiency, stability, silence and green innovation and redefine the term “high-end modularâ€

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Post by dhanson865 » Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:11 pm

Good call, look what 9 gets you:

Seasonic Introduces the S12 ENERGY+ Series - The Powerful & Efficient Solution

08 / 2006

[01 August 2006, Taipei, Taiwan] Today, Sea Sonic Electronics introduces the new S12-ENERGY+ power supplies for the consumer PC market with focus on performance and energy savings. The culmination of over 30 years of leading edge power supply design and production expertise enabled Seasonic to be the first power supply manufacturer to receive the coveted “80Plusâ€

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Post by dhanson865 » Sat Jul 29, 2006 4:37 pm

Now the question is if I have a system that will run ok on a non sleeved S12 430 but I want the extra connnectors found on the sleeved S12 and I want high effieciency will I be better off getting a M12 500 or a S12 Energy+ 550? Or will I decide that neither offer me enough payback to not get one of the new families and just get a new S12 500?

The relevant factors are:

*Initial Cost (aka Price)
*Effieciency at idle (under 100W?)
*Effienciency at 200W, 300W, and 400W
*Noise at idle (under 100W?)
*Noise at 200W and 300W
*Having more connectors than the S12 430W
*There is always another system to give the old PS to as a hand me down

Did I miss anything?

I figure if I'm drawing more than 300W I'm probably doing something that will generate more noise than the Power Supply (either a CDR/DVDR Burner or speakers are likely to be involved and I don't mean watching a DVD as I expect playback to occur at near IDLE power levels)

I don't expect to ever need 4 PCIe as found on the M12 700 and I don't expect to ever need all 10 5.25 + 8 SATA power connectors. Though I definately could use 8 5.25 + several SATA if I decided to do raid 5.

Anybody want to guess when I'll have enough info to choose between these 3 models:

S12 sleeved 500W
S12-Energy+ 550W
M12 500W

I'm really hoping that Seasonic will come through with one or more of each so Mike or whoever can do a proper roundup.

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Post by One4yu2c » Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:59 pm

MSRP for each unit will be as follows:

M12-500 = $144.99
M12-600 = $179.99
M12-700 = $214.99

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Post by sjschwinn » Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:52 am

One4yu2c wrote:MSRP for each unit will be as follows:

M12-500 = $144.99
M12-600 = $179.99
M12-700 = $214.99
What's the source for these prices? Any more recent info on availability?

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Post by One4yu2c » Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:27 am

sjschwinn wrote: What's the source for these prices? Any more recent info on availability?
I received the 500w unit from Seasonic a short while ago and we just posted the review on HardwareLogic yesterday (LINK). I wish we had the kind of resources the good folks here at SPCR have for testing PSUs, but for a sneak peek until they post a thorough dissection, there you go. The MSRP was what I was told from our Seasonic rep. No specific release date was given, but they appear to be ready for a September launch.

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Post by vitaminc » Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:11 am

Cant wait till September for S12 Energy+ or M12...

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Post by Howard » Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:33 pm

One4yu2c wrote:
sjschwinn wrote: What's the source for these prices? Any more recent info on availability?
I received the 500w unit from Seasonic a short while ago and we just posted the review on HardwareLogic yesterday (LINK). I wish we had the kind of resources the good folks here at SPCR have for testing PSUs, but for a sneak peek until they post a thorough dissection, there you go. The MSRP was what I was told from our Seasonic rep. No specific release date was given, but they appear to be ready for a September launch.
I fail to see how "aluminum electrolytic capacitors" are a feature? ;)

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Post by jaganath » Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:52 pm

I fail to see how "aluminum electrolytic capacitors" are a feature?
Well, from past research we know that Seasonic uses high-quality caps (from the likes of Nippon Chemi-con, Rubycon etc) so perhaps he should have said "high-quality" caps are a feature.

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Post by ATWindsor » Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:42 pm

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3628

This corsair-PSU might be a rebadge of the seasonic, an in any case it would be interesting to see a comparison between them. 50A in 12v (which is more or less the only voltage tha counts), is impressive for a 620 Watt supply.

AtW

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Post by One4yu2c » Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:51 pm

Howard wrote: I fail to see how "aluminum electrolytic capacitors" are a feature? ;)
jaganath wrote:Well, from past research we know that Seasonic uses high-quality caps (from the likes of Nippon Chemi-con, Rubycon etc) so perhaps he should have said "high-quality" caps are a feature.
That should actually read (and now does) "Nippon Chemi-Con capacitors" in place of "aluminum electrolytic," which is how Seasonic markets them on the product pamphlet. Or to be more specific, "High Reliability Aluminum Electrolytic Capacitors." Still arguable whether it would technically qualify as a 'feature,' but it's at least worth a mention rather than the vague 'high reliability.'

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Post by rpsgc » Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:28 am

I don't know if anyone has mentioned it already but... there's a review out of the 500W M-12.

Here.

It uses a similar but different fan than the S12, an Adda AD1212MB-A71GL, not A73GL. Let's see what changes.

At least this is good news:
For additional cooling duties, there's a 60mm temperature activated fan on the back that "rotates only when required." Our test unit never got hot enough for the supplemental fan to kick in.
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Post by One4yu2c » Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:31 am

rpsgc wrote:I don't know if anyone has mentioned it already but... there's a review out of the 500W M-12.

Here.
Just a few posts up...
One4yu2c wrote: I received the 500w unit from Seasonic a short while ago and we just posted the review on HardwareLogic yesterday (LINK). I wish we had the kind of resources the good folks here at SPCR have for testing PSUs, but for a sneak peek until they post a thorough dissection, there you go. The MSRP was what I was told from our Seasonic rep. No specific release date was given, but they appear to be ready for a September launch.
;)
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Post by rpsgc » Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:32 am

NOOOOOO

/me jumps of a bridge

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Post by MrDisco » Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:17 pm

the review is very promising indeed. aside from the modular cables is there any reason to pick the m12 over the current s12?

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Post by One4yu2c » Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:32 pm

MrDisco wrote:the review is very promising indeed. aside from the modular cables is there any reason to pick the m12 over the current s12?
If not interested in modularity, then there's not a lot of reason to pay more for the M12 over the S12. You'd do better to wait for the S12's successor, the S12 Energy+, which is supposed to be 80+ certified.

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Post by MrDisco » Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:34 pm

no i have no need for modular cables.

i'll have to google what 80+ means to see if its worth the premium. i'm pretty happy with my s12-500 as it is.

edit: in case anyone is interested
http://www.80plus.org/80what.htm
There's also a pdf for seasonic on that website

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Post by merlin » Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:09 pm

OMG! I've been waiting so long for the new seasonic models. I'm gravitating toward finally replacing my old psu with the Energy+ 550 watt, that sounds like plenty enough to last many years and I bet it'll be a decent amount less expensive than the M12. I really can't wait for the increased efficiency and low noise. This makes me wonder...is this the first retail packaged 80plus certified psu or have any other companies beaten seasonic to the punch on the retail market?

The M12 sounds great also, but I don't think the air flow advantage will outweigh the minor loss of efficiency and cost in my eyes.

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Post by Devonavar » Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:55 pm

As far as I know, the FSP Zen was the first 80+ certified power supply for the retail market. Silverstone also sells an 80+ PSU called the Element. So, to answer your question, no, the Energy+ will not be the first retail 80+ PSU.

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New information about s12 energy+.

Post by Catapult » Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:49 am

Quad rails on the new s12e+.

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Japanese special edition?

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Post by jaganath » Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:31 am

Wow, 88% efficient, that's got to be a new record for commercially available ATX PSU's, although likely only achievable on 230VAC.

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Post by merlin » Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:03 pm

That site also have m12 information
http://www.google.com/translate?u=http% ... en&ie=UTF8

That combined with the jonnyguru comparison( http://www.motherboards.org/articles/guides/1488_1.html ) that shows a pretty small loss of efficiency with modular connections is pushing me back toward the M12, such a hard debate between the S12 80+ and M12 :o I'm not even sure the future reviews here will help decide that debate.[/url]
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Post by Tephras » Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:53 pm

merlin wrote:That site also have m12 information here:

http://www.google.com/translate?u=http% ... en&ie=UTF8
That linked to the S12 E+, here's the M12 page.

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Post by Tephras » Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:28 pm

One4yu2c wrote:I received the 500w unit from Seasonic a short while ago and we just posted the review on HardwareLogic yesterday (LINK). I wish we had the kind of resources the good folks here at SPCR have for testing PSUs, but for a sneak peek until they post a thorough dissection, there you go. The MSRP was what I was told from our Seasonic rep. No specific release date was given, but they appear to be ready for a September launch.

Could you provide the model number for the 60mm ADDA fan?

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Post by Devonavar » Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:31 pm

AD0612HB-D71GL

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