Scythe announces "Ninja 2"

Strid · Post by **Strid** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:35 am

I just saw, that Scythe has a "NINJA 2" 6 Heat Pipes CPU Cooler up on their web-site. They claim that:

Performance improvement has accomplished for this version 2 as 5% in fanless operation (TDP 65W at 25?/77F ambient temperature) and 15% in active cooling operation (TDP 130W at 25?/77F

Looks alot like the previous versions, although the base seems to be made of aluminum or possibly nickel plated copper? Still uses push-pins.

I'm very much looking forward to see a review from SPCR (I so much hope that this isn't old news, which I just discovered for my self, lol). I honestly can't see Scythes reasoning behind the push-pin mounting method. That is one of the things I would have liked to see in this "2" version.

http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/cpu/0 ... etail.html

thejamppa · Post by **thejamppa** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:44 am

.. And you can't use Bolt-thru kit anymore. Damn Scythe. They made improvements but not the most essential one...

Matija · Post by **Matija** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:02 pm

They are stupid. As in, really, really stupid. Well, there are new companies with great coolers out there, and Scythe's fans are still good.

cmthomson · Post by **cmthomson** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:14 pm

Apparently Scythe doesn't consider any of the comments found on SPCR to be relevant. Too bad.

The original Ninja is better than any of its successors, for two main reasons: better (more secure) mounting, and better conduction between the base and the heat pipes.

Fortunately there are now several choices highly competitive with the original Ninja, including Xigmatek and the HR-01+ to name just two.

Aris · Post by **Aris** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:41 pm

At least Scythe makes good 120mm fans and hard drive enclosures. As for heatsinks, it looks like Thermalright is going to stay at the #1 spot until either intel changes its specs or scythe gets a clue.

bryan_d · Post by **bryan_d** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:55 pm

It is a real shame that they not only refused to improve the mounting system, but they also made it unlikely to accept a feasible mounting solution.

But I guess, if the argument can be made that the original RevA clips are better, then out of all three versions this would be the best; all ninjas can use the 478 clip design, and the 775 universal mount accepts those clips.

At the same price range as the HR-01+, it is a no brainer to go with the TR though... but we can be optimistic until the reviews right?

bryan d

pony-tail · Post by **pony-tail** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:25 pm

My machines are AM2 based - I was going to get a Ninja but because of the better mounting system (and the SPCR review ) I have bought the Thermalright HR-01 Plus and a PWM fan (Arctic Cooling 120mm) - Could have both been Scythe , IF they had used a decent mounting system and soldered their heatpipes to the base and fins .

pony-tail · Post by **pony-tail** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:29 pm

A bit late but I just noticed that the slots for want of a better word are gone from the cooling fins - I am wondering why ?

FartingBob · Post by **FartingBob** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:11 am

if they had spent have an hour here (a largely pro ninja place) they would have lernt that they only needed to make a few changes.
1: Bolt through mounting!!!! I cannot believe they are still sticking with push pins. This will clearly hurt sales.
2: improve the way the heatpipes are held onto the base (ie: solder them). I cant see any evidence from any pics that they've done this.
3: Space out the heatpipes more like the Cu ninja rather than the rev.b which were far too close together to be effective. This they have done, thank you scythe.
4: Include a slipstream fan. We'll wait and see on this.

There, i just designed a ninja 2 that will in all likelyhood beat their version in real world tests.

Zenphic · Post by **Zenphic** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:56 pm

Dang, not such a great upgrade.
Hopefully the release of Ninja 2 will decrease the price of the Ninja to less than $30

porkchop · Post by **porkchop** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:05 pm

pony-tail wrote:A bit late but I just noticed that the slots for want of a better word are gone from the cooling fins - I am wondering why ?

i think the slots were there originally to allow you to use screwdriver to mount the thing.
and by removing them, you now essentially have to mount the heat sink outside the case, otherwise it'll be near impossible to properly push those pins in.

Bluefront · Post by **Bluefront** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 2:10 am

I've always assumed the slots on the edges allowed for better passive airflow, as well as for better airflow with a low-speed fan...likewise the large hole through the center.

Frankly I'll be surprised if this Ninja version is better in a very low airflow setup....

bonestonne · Post by **bonestonne** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:30 am

i guess there's a little to rejoice about.

just spotted the Ninja 2 on Petra's Tech Shop for $47.99, cooled by the included slipstream, as well as sporting some "spread out" heatpipes, although i'm sure i'm not the only person who thinks that could have been spaced out better. odd though, the fan is only 1000rpm

http://www.petrastechshop.com/scni2hecpuco.html

[quote]Features:

â€¢ Performance improvement from original Ninja CPU cooler. 5% increase in fanless operation (TDP 65W at 25C/77F ambient temperature) and 15% increase in active cooling operation (TDP 130W at 25C/77F ambient temperature).
â€¢Fin shape and fin pitch have been also modified to maximize performance while keeping the total dimension and weight compact like the former version.
â€¢ To have the best optimized fan for Ninja 2 CPU Cooler, Scythe's original â€œSlip Streamâ€

gogos7 · Post by **gogos7** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:58 am

I was so excited when I saw the title!

But Ninja 2 doesn't look promising

All above comments hit right on spot. Too bad they don't improve the mounting system.

dhanson865 · Post by **dhanson865** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:27 am

Hello, a new model of the slipstream series?

We all knew the first 5 models

SY1225SL12SL (500 rpm version)
SY1225SL12L (800 rpm version)
SY1225SL12M (1,200 rpm version)
SY1225SL12H (1,600 rpm version)
SY1225SL12SH (1,900 rpm version)

Now we add

SY1225SL12LM (1,000 rpm version)

for a full list of

SY1225SL12SL (500 rpm version)
SY1225SL12L (800 rpm version)
SY1225SL12LM (1,000 rpm version)
SY1225SL12M (1,200 rpm version)
SY1225SL12H (1,600 rpm version)
SY1225SL12SH (1,900 rpm version)

Given all the arguing back and forth on SPCR that the 800 or 1200 was the best slipstream they have gone and made an in between option that might settle the argument once and for all.

I won't poo poo the Ninja 2 until SPCR tests it and hopefully when they do they'll do a full writeup on this new slipstream.

dhanson865 · Post by **dhanson865** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:38 am

http://www.directron.com/scnj2000.html has it for $36 + S&H (under $45 shipped to my zip code)

gogos7 · Post by **gogos7** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:27 am

Fan clips position looks kind of weird...

didi · Post by **didi** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:04 am

gogos7 wrote: Fan clips position looks kind of weird...

Maybe because it's done wrong ...

should be:

jhhoffma · Post by **jhhoffma** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:15 am

dhanson865 wrote: Given all the arguing back and forth on SPCR that the 800 or 1200 was the best slipstream they have gone and made an in between option that might settle the argument once and for all.

That pretty much reflects what I've seen. 1200rpm is too loud but provides good airflow. 800rpm is quiet but not quite enough airflow (for a single case fan). 1000rpm is pretty quiet with pretty good airflow. Not a perfect compromise, but a very good one.

xboxhaxorz · Post by **xboxhaxorz** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:13 pm

damn i want that all copper fan looks a beauty and cools alot better too

jhhoffma · Post by **jhhoffma** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:32 am

Actually, it doesn't cool that much better due to a poor mounting system.

See SPCRs Official Review. It's heavier and more expensive, but the performance isn't there compared to an HR-01 Plus.

yamahaSHO · Post by **yamahaSHO** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:57 am

thejamppa wrote:.. And you can't use Bolt-thru kit anymore. Damn Scythe. They made improvements but not the most essential one...

Why not? The mounting system looks the same as the past Ninja. It looks like you could still use the bolt-thru kit to me.

If you're worried about getting a screw driver in there, there are other tools that will allow you to use a phillips head bit and crank it from the side...

nafets · Post by **nafets** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:09 pm

johnniecache7 · Post by **johnniecache7** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:30 pm

...........705g heatsink with pushpins what hell are they thinking?

xboxhaxorz · Post by **xboxhaxorz** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:48 am

jhhoffma wrote:Actually, it doesn't cool that much better due to a poor mounting system.

See SPCRs Official Review. It's heavier and more expensive, but the performance isn't there compared to an HR-01 Plus.

Ahh i hate you lol, i wanted that copper so bad. Guess ill have to wait for a review on the Ninja 2 hopefully its better personally i prefer the way the 12 bolts are spread out found in the Ninja Mini as well as the CU and now the N2.

WHY HAS THE ORIG NINJA NOT DROPPED IN PRICE YET? lol its only a few dollars cheaper

thejamppa · Post by **thejamppa** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:27 am

johnniecache7 wrote: ...........705g heatsink with pushpins what hell are they thinking?

Probably same thing as Kamikaze pilots... How hard it is to understand that over 500 gram heatsinks should have bolt-thrus...

Monkeh16 · Post by **Monkeh16** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:39 am

yamahaSHO wrote:
thejamppa wrote:.. And you can't use Bolt-thru kit anymore. Damn Scythe. They made improvements but not the most essential one...
Why not? The mounting system looks the same as the past Ninja. It looks like you could still use the bolt-thru kit to me.

If you're worried about getting a screw driver in there, there are other tools that will allow you to use a phillips head bit and crank it from the side...

If you can get them in past heatsinks, caps, and other board components..

yamahaSHO · Post by **yamahaSHO** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:41 am

Monkeh16 wrote:
yamahaSHO wrote:
thejamppa wrote:.. And you can't use Bolt-thru kit anymore. Damn Scythe. They made improvements but not the most essential one...
Why not? The mounting system looks the same as the past Ninja. It looks like you could still use the bolt-thru kit to me.

If you're worried about getting a screw driver in there, there are other tools that will allow you to use a phillips head bit and crank it from the side...
If you can get them in past heatsinks, caps, and other board components..

With the motherboard out and no RAM or cards, it shouldn't be a problem.

amyhughes · Post by **amyhughes** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:43 am

yamahaSHO wrote:It looks like you could still use the bolt-thru kit to me.

The screw/spring thingy might be too tall to fit under the fins, or be close enough that you wouldn't be able to fit even your right-angle screw driver.

nyu3 · Post by **nyu3** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:59 pm

amyhughes wrote:
yamahaSHO wrote:It looks like you could still use the bolt-thru kit to me.
The screw/spring thingy might be too tall to fit under the fins, or be close enough that you wouldn't be able to fit even your right-angle screw driver.

Just use your fingers to do it

Looks like there is enough clearance to fit at least.