mini-itx 780G board

frank2003 · Post by **frank2003** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:05 pm

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?optio ... &Itemid=37

Looks like a feature-packed board including PCIe 16x slot. It sure will give Intel's upcoming Fly Creek a run for its money. Whereas the Fly Creek's ability to play Blu-Ray is an unknown, the 780G can play it with even with a low-powered AM2.

croddie · Post by **croddie** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:32 pm

Looks interesting. It will be hard to compete with intel's flying creek as E7200 is much more efficient than low power amd processors, but this attempt looks good, tiny heatsink suggests very low chipset power consumption.

AuraAllan · Post by **AuraAllan** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:52 pm

fudzilla wrote:.....and a single PCIe 16X graphic port....

A single PCI slot would have been so much better IMO.
Looks to be a great HTPC board.

Mariner · Post by **Mariner** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:09 am

That's a very well-featured board and the price sounds pretty reasonable as well. The main area of concern for me would be levels of support for the BIOS. I assume the standard ATI drivers for the chipset will be fine.

frank2003 · Post by **frank2003** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:03 am

Here are some pictures of a working board: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/06/06 ... features/1

One passive heatsink for both NB and SB? And is that the tiny Hiper HSF cooling a Phenom quad core? Sounds too good to be true

Mats · Post by **Mats** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:18 am

Is it possible to use the PCIe16 slot with PCIe1 cards?

Anyone seen the Mini-ITX G45 board from MSI yet? Post a link if you get one, please.

lobuni · Post by **lobuni** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:10 am

Mats wrote:Is it possible to use the PCIe16 slot with PCIe1 cards?

Yes! The devices negotiate the lane widths and the frequency of operation on start-up.

Mats · Post by **Mats** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:31 am

lobuni wrote:
Mats wrote:Is it possible to use the PCIe16 slot with PCIe1 cards?
Yes! The devices negotiate the lane widths and the frequency of operation on start-up.

Great! Now I don't see any reason for a PCI slot, since I don't have any old cards lying around anyway.

Spare Tire · Post by **Spare Tire** » Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:58 am

Well, PCI is a parallel interface and you can split it up with one to two raiser boards. There are sexy mini-ITX case out there that has 2 horizontal slots for expansion cards.

frank2003 · Post by **frank2003** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:34 pm

Here's another one from Jetway:

http://www.jetway.com.tw/jw/ipcboard_vi ... oname=NC81

It's likely we'll see this Jetway NC81 before the offering from the unknown J&W.

Just like its Nvidia 8200 mini-itx cousin, Jetway's 780G board also sports dual NICs.

Kanadian · Post by **Kanadian** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:16 pm

Does anyone know where to get J&W motherboards here in North America. I'm really interestd in the 780G board they have coming out, but I can't find a dealer anywhere.

derekva · Post by **derekva** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 9:00 pm

AuraAllan wrote:
fudzilla wrote:.....and a single PCIe 16X graphic port....
A single PCI slot would have been so much better IMO.
Looks to be a great HTPC board.

Actually, I'll dispute this. Most if not all of the new combo tuners (Digital + Analog) come in PCIe rather than PCI. If you want to be able to tune clear QAM with an HTPC, then you want PCIe.

<sarcasm> Plus it would be totally killer with a 9800GTX! </sarcasm>

-D

mLy! · Post by **mLy!** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:47 am

that price seems too good to be true, you can find some 690g m-itx boards from some unknown UK and German website/manufacturers but they cost around 200 euro.

If the price is around 100 euro, it will be very tempting to buy one. As mentioned, there are some very sexy m-itx cases to be found

frank2003 · Post by **frank2003** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:33 pm

Kanadian wrote:Does anyone know where to get J&W motherboards here in North America. I'm really interestd in the 780G board they have coming out, but I can't find a dealer anywhere.

Judging from the lack of availability of the mATX cousin (JW-RS780UVD-AM2+) in the U.S., I'd say the mini-itx version may never be available in North America. It appears J&W boards are sold only in the Pacific Rim (I've only seen sites in Oz and Hong Kong selling it).

We stand a better chance of seeing the Jetway 780G mini-itx board first.

Ant6n · Post by **Ant6n** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:44 am

did anybody see these mini itx boards anywhere? or at least similarly small powerful blu-ray capable mobos? (i can't find any boards that are less han 22.5 cm high, everybody's using 24cm these days).
...
oh btw, why would these boards, if they are for the htpc market, not have s-video outs? Sure many of the fancy tvs have hdmi these days, but many of us still operate on good ol' svideo (which has not bad quality, I might add).

frank2003 · Post by **frank2003** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:54 am

Ant6n wrote:did anybody see these mini itx boards anywhere? or at least similarly small powerful blu-ray capable mobos? (i can't find any boards that are less han 22.5 cm high, everybody's using 24cm these days).

I have not seen any mini-itx 780G board shipping yet. There was some news a couple of weeks ago of a retailer in Asia taking pre-orders of the J&W 780G board. I don't think it will be available in North America, though.

There are a few mini-itx boards with onboard Blu-Ray capble IGP in the works or shipping. The most hyped one being the Intel G45 based board, of which only the Intel version, the DG45FC is announced to be shipping (it was supposed to be shipping in June but now seems to be delayed until August). The only board that's shipping is the Jetway board based on Nvidia 8200. It's available from newegg.com.

oh btw, why would these boards, if they are for the htpc market, not have s-video outs? Sure many of the fancy tvs have hdmi these days, but many of us still operate on good ol' svideo (which has not bad quality, I might add).

I guess it's the perception that analog TV is dead. But in reality it will take a long time for them to disappear completely. If you want S-Video out, you can get the Biostar 690G board (it's mATX, not mini-itx). But you'll need a fast processor (>2.4GHz) to play Blu-Ray.

Ant6n · Post by **Ant6n** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:06 pm

thank you for the complete information

I think i will stay with my current setup, which is using an older small pentium4 shuttle board (25cm x 18cm) (which unfortunately doesn't have pci express). On that I have a pci ribbon cable, and I want to connect one of the low profile ati pci graphics cards, which should be able to play hd.

my space (box) is really cramped, about 22x30x4 cm; and oddly this appears to be the only setup which might be able to play blu ray, and has s-video out while still fitting in the case. ...well, and of course, doesn't cost a fortune.

jessekopelman · Post by **jessekopelman** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:44 pm

Ant6n wrote:oh btw, why would these boards, if they are for the htpc market, not have s-video outs?

Because the killer feature of these boards is the ability to play HD without a heavy duty CPU. Since there are no HDTV that only have a S-Video interface (S-Video doesn't support (720 or 1080 resolutions), why would a board who's raison d'etre is to play HD need a S-Video out? If you don't care about HD, you don't need one of these boards. You can just buy a less expensive one that is oriented around SD and upgrade it when you upgrade your TV.

Ant6n · Post by **Ant6n** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:47 pm

true. But I have a tv and a projector. Using the projector every time the pc is on is not only impractical (i.e. during the day), but it also unnecessarily wastes light bulb hours.

frank2003 · Post by **frank2003** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:43 am

I have two Biostar 690G boxes located in different rooms. One box (a PVR) is connected to a 1080p HDTV via HDMI while the other (a media extender) is connected to an analog TV via composite RCA cable.

The reason for this setup is that on the PVR I record HD programs only. I can play back HD recordings on both boxes. Of course on the analog TV I don't see the full glory of HD. But I don't have to separately record SD and HD versions of the same program which would require additional TV tuners and disk space. In this regard analog TV-out still serves a purpose.

frank2003 · Post by **frank2003** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:57 pm

Sources indicate this J&W mini-itx 780G board will be available next week in Asia and Germany.

If you get a hold of a board I'd appreciate a review. If anyone knows of a reseller in the US carrying it please post.

nandystam · Post by **nandystam** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:01 am

The overclocking section in the BIOS (which looks very comprehensive) is called JUSTw00T!

Kanadian · Post by **Kanadian** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:06 am

I too hope that someone in North America carries this board because I'd love to get my hands on one.

AuraAllan · Post by **AuraAllan** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:39 am

Jetway (Europe) tells me that NC81 will be available in the middle/end of august.
Atleast in Europe.

frank2003 · Post by **frank2003** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:33 pm

Unlike the "vaporware" DG45FC, the J&W board is real and is shipping in Japan:

http://en.expreview.com/2008/07/25/firs ... -tomorrow/

Kanadian · Post by **Kanadian** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:18 pm

That's great news that it is on sale, but they might as well be on sale on the moon because we can't get them anywhere in North America. And paying $100 for shipping from Europe or Asia isn't really an option.

If any North American shop is willing to take a chance and stock these babies, I bet they would sell a bunch, but so far I haven't heard of anyone.

Very sad...

frank2003 · Post by **frank2003** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 5:22 am

I don't have high hopes for seeing the J&W board in the States. I never got a response from their supposed US distributor for inquiries on its availability. Maybe I'll ask someone on a business trip to Asia to pick one up for me.

There's a good chance we will see the Jetway NC81 in North America since Newegg.com already sells the Jetway Nvidia 8200 based mini-itx board. So Jetway is not a new name.

Speaking of newegg.com, for you neighbors north of the border, I read some news that they are planning on opening shop in Canada.

frank2003 · Post by **frank2003** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:50 am

From a horrible babel fish translation of this page on the J&W board, I get the gist that:

* the NB gets real hot
* the board could be a power hog -- it crashes when used with a 90W PSU when playing DVD or under load

The poster used a 45W 4850e. The case used only accepts slim DVD drive so the power draw from it should be negligible.

The results are not very encouraging for a mini-itx case build.

frank2003 · Post by **frank2003** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:42 am

frank2003 wrote:
* the NB gets real hot

That "NB" is no North Bridge. From the current product image and past pre-production images without the "NB" heatsink, you can see that the relatively tiny HS (compared to this giganto NB heatsink) covers both the NB and the SB chips! I'm not surprised it gets scorching hot.

I highly doubt the system can operate stable without some kind of active cooling on the combined NB+SB heatsink. It will be a real challenge to put this board in a tiny mini-ITX case and keep the system silent.

Kanadian · Post by **Kanadian** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:18 am

AMAZING, Geeks.com is carrying the board. They only have a few left. The price is $189.99, a bit higher than I would like but still much cheaper than paying for shipping from Europe or Asia.

mini-itx 780G board

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