Sugo SG05 (mini-ITX)

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Sugo SG05 (mini-ITX)

Post by aztec » Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:41 am

Not sure if posted already, but case looks pretty good.

120mm fan for this form factor is nice!

If there was a way to fit 2x 3.5" HDs in there, it would be perfect for me.

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showpost.php? ... tcount=659

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=369563

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Post by nutball » Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:49 am

Oooo... that looks interesting.

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Post by aztec » Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:54 am

reading the post.

it should be under or ~US$100, and one guy actually has 4 HDs in there using a Scythe HD bracket.

Seems like a good deal with a 300 watt PSU and Silverstone quality.

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Post by AuraAllan » Wed Dec 24, 2008 2:19 am

This case looks pretty good.

I think the PSU would be able to run fanless if you block the side- and top-vents and use a 800RPM Slipstream in the front. It should provide enough air to cool the PSU.

I'm looking very much forward to SPCR's review of this case :D

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Post by Shaman » Wed Dec 24, 2008 9:26 am

Looks nice, I could do without the vent at the top though, most of it is blocked by the psu anyway.


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Post by AuraAllan » Thu Dec 25, 2008 2:42 am

Anybody know when it will be available?

I think I want one :)

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Post by aztec » Thu Dec 25, 2008 5:48 pm

already available in Singapore.

They say Jan-Feb for Europe and North America.

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Post by Engineer » Wed Dec 31, 2008 7:54 pm

aztec wrote:already available in Singapore.

They say Jan-Feb for Europe and North America.
I can't wait. I just bought a mATX but I'm willing to sell it and get an ITX (or DXT) with PCIe X16 to build an ultra small (and hopefully quiet) HTPC. I've read that entire thread at VR-Zone (over 100 pages) since you guys posted this, lol! :p

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PSU

Post by Worker control » Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:09 pm

I would love a case with a big slow fan, designed around the PicoPSU, and not concerned with fitting large expansion cards. Haven't seen it yet, though.

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Post by KyonCoraeL » Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:15 am

This would be ideal if I could only fit a GTX260 into it.

lol

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Post by shleepy » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:50 pm

A question about SilverStone's marketing - isn't "positive air pressure" a BAD thing for temps?

I'm almost definitely getting this case to use as a pseudo-gaming ITX build, but probably with an external PSU and some slight modifications.

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Post by karl » Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:14 am

I built a headless server around this case using an Intel Atom 330 Dual-Core MB (D945GCLF2), 1TB WD Green HDD (WD10EADS), and Ubuntu Server 8.04. I was warned about the on-chip fan that came with the MB, so I replaced it with a 40mm Scythe Mini Kaze (SY124010L) without even testing the stock fan.

It's tiny as can be, and made me a bit giddy just to see its size when placed next to any of my other computers. Taking it apart was a bit of work, as it has a ton of screws holding everything in place. Putting it back together was a bit harder, since in addition to the screws, it also has little mounting hooks that need to slide into place for everything to fit right.

I didn't want to pay for a slim DVD-ROM for a server computer, so I installed the OS using PXE netboot. I would have used USB to do the install, but I hosed my USB drive so that it wouldn't boot from it. I blame bad instructions from Ubuntu's community site.

The case is /very/ open, so any noise leaks out quite easily. This mainly effects the HDD, which is inaudible except when seeking/writing. I don't hear the 'click' mentioned by other threads about that HDD.

The stock PSU intermittently produces a very high pitched coil whine whenever plugged in and powered up (system doesn't need to be on). It's probably inaudible to people with average hearing; I can barely hear it. The PSU is far too powerful for my uses, so I'm probably going to replace it with a 80W picoPSU-150-XT kit once I figure out how to close up the massive hole that will leave in the back of the case.

The Mini Kaze fan produces an audible whining sound, but turning it off completely only increased temps by about 3C. (44C to 46C idle, 51C to 54C under 5 minutes of 100% load). I figure replacing the entire heatsink would probably be a better option. I'm looking at the Zalman ZM-NB47J chipset heatsink for that, along with some Arctic Silver to smooth things over. Since the CPU is passively cooled, I also thought about replacing that with the same heatsink I plan on using for the chipset, but I'm not sure it'd fit/work.

The 120mm case fan is the loudest part of the system. It has a very noticeable hum that's louder than either of my other desktops, and comes across quite clearly except when the fridge or HVAC are on. For comparison, one of my computers is an Antec 900 with the 3x 120mm and the 200mm fan, all of which together is quieter than this single 120mm. Since this fan provides the majority of the cooling (temps reach 60C+ idle without either fan on and 50C+ idle with only the Kaze), I'm hesitant to turn it down or remove it. Instead, I plan on replacing it with a Scythe S-FLEX SFF21E, possibly using a Zalman Fan Mate to undervolt, though I'm not sure about that part.

Query:
* What's the best way to close up a gap left by a missing SFX PSU?
* Is the S-FLEX quiet enough for such an open case? Will it provide enough cooling compared with the 1300RPM fan that came with the case?
* Is replacing the chipset heatsink and fan with a larger heatsink and better thermal compound the best idea?
* Would the Zalman chipset heatsink fit on the passively-cooled Atom CPU?
* Thermal compound or thermal adhesive?

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Post by hmsrolst » Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:37 pm

karl wrote: Query:
* What's the best way to close up a gap left by a missing SFX PSU?
I don't know the best way, but one very easy and effective way is duct tape.

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Post by elpibe10 » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:56 pm

Nice looking case but really poor workmanship :

http://vr-zone.com/articles/silverstone ... l?doc=6703

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Post by Riffer » Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:50 pm

elpibe10 wrote:Nice looking case but really poor workmanship :

http://vr-zone.com/articles/silverstone ... l?doc=6703
Do you mean workmanship or design? I didn't notice anything in that review that criticized the workmanship, but their where plenty of niggley design issues.

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Post by Riffer » Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:52 pm

Just to confirm - the faceplate on this is plastic?

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Post by karl » Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:24 pm

Riffer wrote:Just to confirm - the faceplate on this is plastic?
Yes.

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Post by karl » Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:26 pm

Riffer wrote:
elpibe10 wrote:Nice looking case but really poor workmanship :

http://vr-zone.com/articles/silverstone ... l?doc=6703
Do you mean workmanship or design? I didn't notice anything in that review that criticized the workmanship, but their where plenty of niggley design issues.
I had no problems with the workmanship. From what I can see, it's a very well setup case. The only problem is the openness of all the grills - it's designed more for a 'power' setup than a quiet system.

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Post by leifeinar » Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:59 am

I think that u need to mod this case, needs a proper 12cm fan, that has max 800rpms with rubber suspension. it allso needs a 2.5" disk, a 3.5" ill guess wold ba an orkestra where the case amplifies virbrations. airflow is allso restricted, with the dust filter and the fornt intake beeing thight.

Videocard can or cant be noisy, a passive 4670 or a silent dualslot card...

psu fan can be changed.

i wonder if the psu can be canged? a shuttle 450W would be great, in giving more A for the system, but allso it would give more hight for a cooler, like scythe mini og anotter good one. if u dont think about the extra expenses that is :)

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Post by deruberhanyok » Fri May 01, 2009 6:06 am

Bit Tech has a review posted:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cases/ ... 5-review/1

Looks like using a 3.5" drive is the biggest problem with the case. But it has a bay for a 2.5" drive. So you could put together a system with, say, Zotac's 9300 board, use the two internal SATA ports for 2.5" drive and slim DVD drive, then use the eSATA port on that board for additional storage capacity. That would make for a nice little system.

As for CPU heatsink, Scythe's Shuriken looks like it would fit. I can't tell from the pictures but I don't think a different power supply could be shoehorned into the space.

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Built a system with this

Post by Worker control » Sun May 03, 2009 6:27 pm

I built a firewall/file server/access point system with this, using:

PicoPSU http://www.mini-box.com/picoPSU-90-60W- ... egory=1097
MSI IM-945GSE-A http://www.logicsupply.com/products/ms_9830
Scythe DFS122512L-PWM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6835185049
EDIMAX EW-7128G http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6833315041
WD5000BEVT 500GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6822136314
(Reviewed here: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article917-page1.html )
KINGWIN HDP-201 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6817990005

Power usage 18W idle, 19W load, according to Kill-A-Watt.

I put the drive in the silicon sleeve, and then in the case's 2.5" drive slot. I had to bend down two tabs, since the sleeve is wider than a bare drive. I didn't use the included PSU, or the 3.5" drive holder.

The case is very open, allowing the drive noise through. I'm thinking about closing up the case a bit, since it draws so little power.

Lots of room inside the case with the PSU and 3.5" drive holder out. I definitely recommend a PicoPSU for systems that draw little enough power.

If you get an optical drive, I recommend a slot-loader. The tray-loader I've got binds to the case, and doesn't work.

UPDATE May 1, 2010: I installed a slot loading optical drive, which actually works. Much happier now.
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Post by KyonCoraeL » Fri May 15, 2009 1:11 am

Honestly, this case is beautiful but the only thing holding me back from this beast is the power supply.

In the past I have killed alot of power supplies while gaming, if this was an ATX PSU I wouldn't be worried.

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Post by zansiball » Sun May 17, 2009 12:09 pm

im thinking of buying one of these. but it seems kinda big. would be better if it where tower style instead like lian li pc-q7

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Post by KyonCoraeL » Sun May 17, 2009 4:08 pm

actually it's smaller.

Lian-Li Q7 Dimensions:
193mm x 280mm x 208mm (W,H,D)

Silverstone SG-05:
125 mm (W) x 63.5 mm (H) x 100 mm (D)

However, the Q7 uses an ATX Power Supply rather than a SFX (whatever that is)

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Post by Praxis1452 » Tue May 19, 2009 2:14 pm

KyonCoraeL wrote:actually it's smaller.

Lian-Li Q7 Dimensions:
193mm x 280mm x 208mm (W,H,D)

Silverstone SG-05:
125 mm (W) x 63.5 mm (H) x 100 mm (D)

However, the Q7 uses an ATX Power Supply rather than a SFX (whatever that is)
You're off on the dimensions for the SG-05. An inch~25mm. That makes it <2-3 inches tall which is wrong.

It's actually 222 mm (W) x 176 mm (H) x 276 mm (D).

THe lian li is horrible. It fits an ATX psu when it doesn't really need to. And that means a power system in an ITX case, but without a 120mm fan in the front airflow will be poor. Also, no dual slot pci, meaning no 2 slot graphics card. Graphics card will also have a hard time breathing. Basically, they made a M-ITX case, then just added a ATX psu to it without considering the overall case.

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Post by hans007 » Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:24 am

zansiball wrote:im thinking of buying one of these. but it seems kinda big. would be better if it where tower style instead like lian li pc-q7

I just bought this case (well the SG-06 version) and it is the same size as the Q7 as far as volume. This one is far better as far as useable space inside since it uses a smaller volume psu and a slim optical. It can easily fit a real graphics card.

I'd say its better than the Q7 in pretty much every way. The q7 feels nicer as it is aluminum though (only the front of the sg-06 is aluminum and the sg-05 has a plastic front) I would have liked a tower style as well though, but its not too big a deal.

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