Arctic Silver 5 - October 20th

Sledge · Post by **Sledge** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 11:52 am

This may knock down your CPU temp an extra degree or two.

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Semm · Post by **Semm** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 12:13 pm

*squints at his tube of AS3* What happened to AS4?

Seriously, though, it'll be interesting to see what kind of improvement, if any, this offers.

Sledge · Post by **Sledge** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 12:49 pm

AS Ceramique was AS4 (I think)

Riffer · Post by **Riffer** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 1:03 pm

I still haven't used up my tube of the original Arctic Silver yet!

Post by **Ralf Hutter** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 1:17 pm

Riffer wrote:I still haven't used up my tube of the original Arctic Silver yet!

Damn, I'm already through my 3rd tube of AS Ceramique!

Next time I'm ordering one of those large economy size tubes. 10 times as much Ceramique for 3 times the price.

GamingGod · Post by **GamingGod** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 2:12 pm

How many jobs is the small tube suppose to last anyways?

Dethheat · Post by **Dethheat** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 2:52 pm

Ralf Hutter wrote:
Riffer wrote:I still haven't used up my tube of the original Arctic Silver yet!
Damn, I'm already through my 3rd tube of AS Ceramique!

Next time I'm ordering one of those large economy size tubes. 10 times as much Ceramique for 3 times the price.

22g is 8 times larger (not exact but closer than 10) than 2.7g and I got it for twice the price. I bought two little tubes for $8 and the one large tube for $8.

Edit: Sorry for the nitpick.

DryFire · Post by **DryFire** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 3:16 pm

I'm still on my small tube of asc even though i think i'm running low on it.

Maybe i can et one or 2 more uses from it.

Dethheat · Post by **Dethheat** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 3:23 pm

GamingGod wrote:How many jobs is the small tube suppose to last anyways?

My first small tube of Ceramique did:

3 CPUs - All small core Athlon XPs
2 GPUs - Geforce 3, ATI Radeon 9500 Pro
1 Zalman Heatpipe (ZM80C-HP which took a LOT more than any other single component) - ATI Radeon 9500 Pro
3 Northbridges - 1 Nforce2 Ultra 400, 2 Via (1 KT400, 1 KT266)

I also wasted a little bit by botching my first job. The ceramique is thick and semi-hard to spread. Not too bad once you adjust to the viscosity chance from AS3.

MGP · Post by **MGP** » Tue Oct 07, 2003 4:41 pm

Semm wrote:*squints at his tube of AS3* What happened to AS4?

I was thinking about this (oddly enough) and it could be -- if Arctic Silver is of Chinese ownership -- that there is no Arctic Silver 4 b/c the pronounciation of the number "4" sounds the same as the word "dead" in Mandarin (Chinese)...maybe supsicion? I remember this being the case with the Digital Doctor (aocusa.com) as the company refused to name a Digital Doc 4 in their product line.

Semm · Post by **Semm** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 12:38 am

I was thinking about this (oddly enough) and it could be -- if Arctic Silver is of Chinese ownership -- that there is no Arctic Silver 4 b/c the pronounciation of the number "4" sounds the same as the word "dead" in Mandarin (Chinese)...maybe supsicion? I remember this being the case with the Digital Doctor (aocusa.com) as the company refused to name a Digital Doc 4 in their product line.

Interesting! Learn something new every day...Ah, here we go, from their site.

Arctic Silver Incorporated
2230 W. Sunnyside Ave. Suite 6
Visalia, CA 93277 USA

Well, they're located in CA, but if the manufacturing is done in China I could see that. I wouldn't want to work on something called "dead." Thanks for the info!

Semm

Sledge · Post by **Sledge** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 3:59 am

There may be some truth in this. Several years ago, Alfa Romeo was about to launch a new sedan in Asia called the 164. They had to change the name to 166. To an Asian person, 166 sounds like "laugh all the way". 164 sounds like "die all the way".

Post by **Ralf Hutter** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 5:21 am

digitX wrote:Frozencpu.com is selling some kind of liquid "phase change" solution (Nanotherm PCM+). It's supposed to be much better + easier to apply.

NO NO NO!! Don't use that stuff. It eats away at the material of your heatsink. There's a big thread about this over at OC forums in the Cooling forum (and some other sites too, I just don't remember where). Apparently the company that's making this "stuff" does it without any testing program or chemistry experience. There's some neat pictures of heatsinks with the material starting to get etched away after a few months.

EDIT - Did a little Googling:

Here's a little blurb about it.

And another one.

Sledge · Post by **Sledge** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 5:49 am

Nanotherm PCM contains nanobots that get their energy from eating the copper on your heatsink.

Nevin · Post by **Nevin** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 6:50 am

Actually there are two possibilities...

A. I can't count.

B. #4 is considered bad luck in much of the orient just as #13 is bad luck here in the U.S. (We will probably skip over AS13 when we get to it just as we did #4.)

B is more likely the real reason than A, but people who know me will probably lean toward A.

Oh, and all Arctic Silver products are made in the United States. We are a U.S. company.

Nevin House
Arctic Silver, Inc.

Semm · Post by **Semm** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 7:33 am

Thanks Nevin. I just had to ask

miker · Post by **miker** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 7:53 am

Ralf Hutter wrote:
digitX wrote:Frozencpu.com is selling some kind of liquid "phase change" solution (Nanotherm PCM+). It's supposed to be much better + easier to apply.
NO NO NO!! Don't use that stuff. It eats away at the material of your heatsink. There's a big thread about this over at OC forums in the Cooling forum (and some other sites too, I just don't remember where). Apparently the company that's making this "stuff" does it without any testing program or chemistry experience. There's some neat pictures of heatsinks with the material starting to get etched away after a few months.

EDIT - Did a little Googling:

Here's a little blurb about it.

And another one.

That second pic from the modsynergy site is a shot of my SLK800 after 1 month of PCM+

Sledge · Post by **Sledge** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 9:17 am

First review

GamingGod · Post by **GamingGod** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 9:19 am

http://www.overklokking.no/annet/arctic ... index.html Dont know if this has been posted yet and im not about to check the links above but here is a review

Sledge · Post by **Sledge** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 9:35 am

Gaming God, look right above your post

GamingGod · Post by **GamingGod** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 9:47 am

lol i told you i didnt check the links above, but if its double posted its ok

Post by **Rusty075** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 12:26 pm

Hey I didn't know that Nevin from Artic Silver was registered here! Welcome!

And post more!

You must have some knowledge to share. (Unless you're just the business guy, of course. In that case tell your engineers to start posting here

)

Jan Kivar · Post by **Jan Kivar** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 12:28 pm

Ralf Hutter wrote:NO NO NO!! Don't use that stuff. It eats away at the material of your heatsink. There's a big thread about this over at OC forums in the Cooling forum (and some other sites too, I just don't remember where). Apparently the company that's making this "stuff" does it without any testing program or chemistry experience. There's some neat pictures of heatsinks with the material starting to get etched away after a few months.

I think I've seen similar pics for some AS compound too. IIRC one could read the texts on the CPU die from the HS (mirrored, of course). I can't find any links...

Cheers,

Jan

engseng · Post by **engseng** » Wed Oct 08, 2003 8:04 pm

Hey, surprising you people know about the number 4 in Chinese, you people Chinese or what? And anyway, no one seemed to mind when Intel named their processor Pentium 4...

lazybum131 · Post by **lazybum131** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 2:36 pm

Someone more Chinese may correct me on this, but I think no one would mind Pentium 4 because most likely people will actually say 'pentium 4' in english regardless of native language. I don't know of any Cantonese equivalent for pentium (if there is, it would simply be two or three existing chinese words that kinda sound like pentium and have nothing to do with CPU's or computers).

Arctic Silver on the other hand is composed of actual words, arctic and silver. Higher likelyhood of a true translation that could be used often. However, saying 'arctic silver 4' in cantonese doesn't sound offensive to me, but that doesn't mean it won't be in another dialect/language.

ez2remember · Post by **ez2remember** » Fri Oct 10, 2003 4:46 pm

Ralf Hutter wrote:
digitX wrote:Frozencpu.com is selling some kind of liquid "phase change" solution (Nanotherm PCM+). It's supposed to be much better + easier to apply.
NO NO NO!! Don't use that stuff. It eats away at the material of your heatsink. There's a big thread about this over at OC forums in the Cooling forum (and some other sites too, I just don't remember where). Apparently the company that's making this "stuff" does it without any testing program or chemistry experience. There's some neat pictures of heatsinks with the material starting to get etched away after a few months.

No wonder it's giving me such great results on my P4 rig, it's actually eating away my IHS and getting right down to the cpu die. OMG!

halcyon · Post by **halcyon** » Sun Oct 12, 2003 5:14 am

Oh no!

Just when my PCM+ has been installed and I've found it to be really nice paste. I had hear rumours about the heatsink 'corruption', but I didn't know the oxidation was that bad.

Now I have to scrape it off and order AS5 instead.

Thanks for the heads up!

You probably saved me from frying up my CPU a few months down the road.

regards,
Halcyon

DryFire · Post by **DryFire** » Sun Oct 12, 2003 8:52 am

i just lost my tube of asc. not if as 5 is not conductive i will get that other wise i'm sticking with asc.

energy · Post by **energy** » Wed Oct 15, 2003 9:01 am

I think I've seen similar pics for some AS compound too. IIRC one could read the texts on the CPU die from the HS (mirrored, of course). I can't find any links...

Cheers,

Jan

I've got that on my Zalman 6000Cu after a few months use with regular white silicone grease. But you can't feel the text by running a nail over it.