how do you test if a system is stable when undervolting
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how do you test if a system is stable when undervolting
im curious to know what program people use to test for stability when undervolting.
i ran prime95 with 2 threads (for amd be2400), it ran overnight, with multiplier 10x at 0.95V, but it would still randomly crash my machine
to avoid random crashes, i now have multiplier 8.0 at 0.95V. this makes the system seem really slow to me
any advice?
i ran prime95 with 2 threads (for amd be2400), it ran overnight, with multiplier 10x at 0.95V, but it would still randomly crash my machine
to avoid random crashes, i now have multiplier 8.0 at 0.95V. this makes the system seem really slow to me
any advice?
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Prime95 seems to be a widely used test for this purpose. I used it to determine the underclock voltage for mine, and it worked well for me.
As for advice, what is your end goal? Are you aiming to reduce maximum power consumption at full CPU load to bring down max fan speeds? Do you have a target CPU fan RPM or target temperature in mind?
What is the stock multiplier and voltage for that CPU, and what is the lowest stable voltage at the stock multiplier with your particular CPU?
As for advice, what is your end goal? Are you aiming to reduce maximum power consumption at full CPU load to bring down max fan speeds? Do you have a target CPU fan RPM or target temperature in mind?
What is the stock multiplier and voltage for that CPU, and what is the lowest stable voltage at the stock multiplier with your particular CPU?
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Re: how do you test if a system is stable when undervolting
Is that CPU unlocked somehow? AFAIK, the multiplier is 11.5. How does it run at 8x?bbzidane wrote:for amd be2400...... to avoid random crashes, i now have multiplier 8.0 at 0.95V. this makes the system seem really slow to me
any advice?
Very unlikely that a single drive would overstress your PSU unless you're running the PSU at its limit. The drive will not usually go over 10W; idle could be 4~7W. Of course, if you have a POS PSU, it could be worth trying a different PSU.for example, if a hard drive is spinning up/seeking a lot, could it cause less volts to be delivered to the cpu?
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Re: how do you test if a system is stable when undervolting
i guess i just want to have it use as little power as possible, but still have decent speed when i need it. The machine is on 24/7, so i want it to idle at the lowest possible setting. im using a thermalright ultra 120 fanless. it does get warm in the case, but nothing too concerning.theycallmebruce wrote:As for advice, what is your end goal? Are you aiming to reduce maximum power consumption at full CPU load to bring down max fan speeds? Do you have a target CPU fan RPM or target temperature in mind?
What is the stock multiplier and voltage for that CPU, and what is the lowest stable voltage at the stock multiplier with your particular CPU?
the stock setting is 11.5x @ 1.25V
i have gotten the cpu to run 5x @ 0.75V for ~9hrs of prime95 and 10x @ 0.95V of prime95 for ~9hrs
but with normal usage of the machine, i would still experience random crashes
i should mention that im not undervolting with the bios, but with software.MikeC wrote:Is that CPU unlocked somehow? AFAIK, the multiplier is 11.5. How does it run at 8x?bbzidane wrote:for amd be2400...... to avoid random crashes, i now have multiplier 8.0 at 0.95V. this makes the system seem really slow to me
any advice?
not sure if that means if my cpu is unlocked or not.
I use rmclock to tweak how the cpu is throttled. I have two settings configured, using the lowest multiplier (5x), and the highest multiplier at 0.95V.
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I think you're confusing CnQ settings with full load settings, bbzidane. The CPU is multiplier-locked. When it's loaded, it will run at 200MHz x 11.3 -- 2.3MHz regardless of your rmclock settings.
When you run Prime95, that's puts the CPU at 100% load, and the CPU runs at stock voltage and clock speed. So it's perfectly stable. When you talk about random crashes, I'm guessing you're talking about when the system is at idle. This means that you are undervolting too much w/ rmclock.
I agree with NeilBlanchard -- you should try undervolting the CPU in the BIOS, and see if CnQ will still work. On some boards it doesn't work when CPU voltage is not at default. But if it does work, maybe let CnQ take care of lowering idle power instead of fiddling with rmclock. You need to up that low power state voltage anyway to get stability back.
Do you have some way of measuring AC power anyway? Because all this fiddling with power states and trying to reduce power is like shooting in the dark w/o a power meter. My guess is that your rmclock setting probably have maybe a 2W effect af the AC plug. Maybe more, but not much more. But if you reduce the power at full load, the difference will be bigger -- maybe 5-6W or more.
Of course how relevant this is to reducing total energy consumption (assuming that's what you're after) depends on how hard you run your machine. If you're stressing the PC to 100% load less than 10% of the time that it is on (true for the vast majority of non-gamers), then the effect will be extremely small... tho you can certainly argue that it all adds up.
When you run Prime95, that's puts the CPU at 100% load, and the CPU runs at stock voltage and clock speed. So it's perfectly stable. When you talk about random crashes, I'm guessing you're talking about when the system is at idle. This means that you are undervolting too much w/ rmclock.
I agree with NeilBlanchard -- you should try undervolting the CPU in the BIOS, and see if CnQ will still work. On some boards it doesn't work when CPU voltage is not at default. But if it does work, maybe let CnQ take care of lowering idle power instead of fiddling with rmclock. You need to up that low power state voltage anyway to get stability back.
Do you have some way of measuring AC power anyway? Because all this fiddling with power states and trying to reduce power is like shooting in the dark w/o a power meter. My guess is that your rmclock setting probably have maybe a 2W effect af the AC plug. Maybe more, but not much more. But if you reduce the power at full load, the difference will be bigger -- maybe 5-6W or more.
Of course how relevant this is to reducing total energy consumption (assuming that's what you're after) depends on how hard you run your machine. If you're stressing the PC to 100% load less than 10% of the time that it is on (true for the vast majority of non-gamers), then the effect will be extremely small... tho you can certainly argue that it all adds up.
Mike, you are wrong. Locked CPU means not higher. Any Athlon can run with lower multiplier (and lower V) 100% loaded.
As to the crashes - the problem is switching between states, MB's VRM may be not very good, try a bit higher voltage (one of the two or both). Test by switching manually with Prime running (or find some way to switch automatically).
As to the crashes - the problem is switching between states, MB's VRM may be not very good, try a bit higher voltage (one of the two or both). Test by switching manually with Prime running (or find some way to switch automatically).
Re: how do you test if a system is stable when undervolting
Have you tried Intel burn test or LinX?bbzidane wrote:im curious to know what program people use to test for stability when undervolting.
In my own experience, I used Prime95 on my Q6600 with Small FFTs, which showed that it was stable for 10 hours overnight at the current voltage. However, running Linpack with the most memory I had available (I have 64-bit XP, so I see all 4 GB of my RAM), it indicated instability. I had to raise the voltage up a couple of notches to get it fully stable.
Re: how do you test if a system is stable when undervolting
I always thought going below the set mulitplier isn't a problem? Contrary to increasing the multiplier.MikeC wrote:Is that CPU unlocked somehow? AFAIK, the multiplier is 11.5. How does it run at 8x?
edit: oh I see Klusu has answered this already. Disregard my overhasty post.
I had a similar issue with my old Athlon 64 X2. Prime tests were 100% stable, yet it would crash the machine in normal everyday usage. Turns out it was switching between states that caused the crashes, like Klusu said.
I solved it by manually setting the lowest possible voltage and fixed 10x multiplier in the BIOS, think it was around 1.0V, or maybe a little less, like 0.95. Also I disabled C'n'Q.
I solved it by manually setting the lowest possible voltage and fixed 10x multiplier in the BIOS, think it was around 1.0V, or maybe a little less, like 0.95. Also I disabled C'n'Q.
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thanks for all the feedback
i stressed the cpu at the lowest setting by disabling all the other multipliers (still not sure if that is the right term), so it forces it to run 200mhz x 5, 1.0ghz, with prime95 running, which it is stable with voltage 0.75V.
so as some of you mentioned, it is most likely the machine hangs when changing state.
the odd thing is, when i was running vista ultimate 64bit, the setting i had then doesnt work now that im running windows 7 ultimate 64bit.
i'll try increasing the voltage at the lowest and see if that helps.
will let you know if things works out
i stressed the cpu at the lowest setting by disabling all the other multipliers (still not sure if that is the right term), so it forces it to run 200mhz x 5, 1.0ghz, with prime95 running, which it is stable with voltage 0.75V.
so as some of you mentioned, it is most likely the machine hangs when changing state.
the odd thing is, when i was running vista ultimate 64bit, the setting i had then doesnt work now that im running windows 7 ultimate 64bit.
i'll try increasing the voltage at the lowest and see if that helps.
will let you know if things works out
RMClock has a few timing settings that might help instability issues when changing states. I fiddled around a bit with those on my system but got tired of random freezes and went back to plain old CnQ.
Very hard to track down an intermittent problem that only shows it's ugly face once every other week or so..
Very hard to track down an intermittent problem that only shows it's ugly face once every other week or so..
update
i ended up setting the multiplier and voltage in the bios
10.5x @ 0.95V
this was helpful as it stopped the computer from drawing ~90W from my ac/dc adapter that caused the fan to run
in windows, i increased the voltage to 0.85V for the lower multiplier and the system seems to be doing fine so.
fingered crossed, hopefully that is the end of my random crashes/hangs.
thanks for all the feedback/comments/advices.
i ended up setting the multiplier and voltage in the bios
10.5x @ 0.95V
this was helpful as it stopped the computer from drawing ~90W from my ac/dc adapter that caused the fan to run
in windows, i increased the voltage to 0.85V for the lower multiplier and the system seems to be doing fine so.
fingered crossed, hopefully that is the end of my random crashes/hangs.
thanks for all the feedback/comments/advices.