I might have a line on SATA Spinpoints in the US
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I might have a line on SATA Spinpoints in the US
I'm in contact with a guy here in Smokey SoCal that claims to have the first pallet-load (in the USA) of SP1614C's, the SATA 160GB, 8MB cache Samsung Spinpoints.
That's all I know at this point.
Would anyone be interested, pending further information?
That's all I know at this point.
Would anyone be interested, pending further information?
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any difference SATA vs PATA?
Are there any real world differences between SATA vs PATA besides the cable for better airflow and difference in price?
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Re: any difference SATA vs PATA?
today? today you get nothing except potentially faster data transfer and longer connectors. one of the main goals of SATA is to be a stepping stone from parallel ATA to a new transport and protocol. so today SATA will work with existing (legacy) ATA driver in any OS without any compatibility problems.crypt0r wrote:Are there any real world differences between SATA vs PATA besides the cable for better airflow and difference in price?
going forward, SATA-specific drivers will be able to take advantage of the new features of SATA. some of the most notable features are the tag queueing, enclosure services and standard device management, similar to the current SCSI spec. this will make SATA performance and functionality comparable to SCSI-III, especially where multiple I/O streams and multi-disk RAID systems are involved.
from the SATA spec document (see www. serialata.org), here are the attributes of SATA-I:
Serial ATA is defined with the following goals and requirements listed in no particular order:
• Primary inside-the-box storage connection (no outside the box)
• Completely SW transparent w/ ATA (easy transition)
• Low pin count for both host and devices (2 pairs)
• Favorable (low) voltages
• Supports lower cost device architectures
• Higher performance than equivalent ATA (data rate, queuing, overlap) w/ scalability to
higher
• Much better cabling/connectors (thin, flexible)
• Includes efficient power delivery
• No software dependency. Relatively easy transition (price, IHV NRE and capital inventory
risk, wide variety of devices at intro, etc.)
• Power management and power consumption suitable for mobile use
• Allows roadmap spanning ~10 years
• Cable length comparable to ATA (<1 m)
• Transfer rate exceeding best ATA (~150 MB/s) with scalability to higher rates
• Light protocol allowing overhead latencies to be minimized
• Asynchronous only (no isochronous requirements)
• No Peer-peer transfer support (to/from host only)
• Provides support for 1st party DMA access to host
• Cost competitive with equivalent parallel ATA solution at introduction (host + device +
cable)
• Storage device centric (no cameras/scanners/printers)
• Easy installation/configuration (plug/play, no jumpers, no external terminators)
• Single host (no multi-initiators or host/host networking)
to this, SATA-II adds:
• Compatibility must be maintained with Serial ATA 1.0
• New features/capabilities must be separable/optional proper supersets of Serial ATA 1.0
• Support for command queuing must be provided
• Means for supporting industry-standard enclosure services must be provided
• Device management expected of storage subsystems needs to be supported
Hey Ralf, er, excuse me, Your Lordship. I will be in the market for a pair of these, but not right yet. Maybe a month or six weeks.Ralf Hutter wrote:Is anyone interested? If so, I'll post this guy's contact info.
He does have them available for $125. They're in the regular Samsung "Seashield" clamshell as OEMs with the standard 3 year warranty, according to him.
My desktop machine now has three Samsung drives, two 1 year old 120GB 5400 RPM drives and a new 160GB 7200 RPM drive I just installed a couple of days ago. All three are suspended. I am VERY pleased with how quiet they are.
David
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I have no idea, I haven't heard the SATA versions becasue up until a day or so ago they were not available in the US.wsc wrote:Ralf - do you know how close they are in terms of acoustics to the PATA Spinpoints? I would *hope* they are identical, but you never know.
I would expect they would sound identical to the PATA version because there's no mechanical difference between the 2 types of drives.
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By then they should be available in more places. Newegg is carrying the PATA versions, hopefully they'll carry the SATA too.haysdb wrote:Hey Ralf, er, excuse me, Your Lordship. I will be in the market for a pair of these, but not right yet. Maybe a month or six weeks.Ralf Hutter wrote:Is anyone interested? If so, I'll post this guy's contact info.
He does have them available for $125. They're in the regular Samsung "Seashield" clamshell as OEMs with the standard 3 year warranty, according to him.
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Yah it's just matter of days or maybe week(s) before the SATA's are available. They sent samples to Computer Shopper (UK) for review and it's faster than the PATA version. It stated it was available at http://www.savastore.com but when I checked it was not there yet.
Should be soon though.
This HD is really making marks on performance, as it came overall fastest for data tranfers, but access time is about average in the lab review.
Should be soon though.
This HD is really making marks on performance, as it came overall fastest for data tranfers, but access time is about average in the lab review.
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I was just reading this topic and noticed that someone mentioned Samsung's new drive and Savastore.
I have found this link that will take you to the 160Gb ATA133 model, hope that helps someone
http://www.savastore.com/include2/info7 ... 002&pid=44
I have found this link that will take you to the 160Gb ATA133 model, hope that helps someone
http://www.savastore.com/include2/info7 ... 002&pid=44
This is going off topic.. but who cares about the SP1604N? or about savastore?luminous wrote:I have found this link that will take you to the 160Gb ATA133 model, hope that helps someone
http://www.savastore.com/include2/info7 ... 002&pid=44
the SP1604N only has a 2MB cache.. and savastore want over ten pounds more than Komplett.
Komplett also have the 8MB variant, the SP1614N for only a few quid more.. which is still nine quid less than the 2MB cache at savastore. Go for the SP1614N if you want PATA.
PS Hope this post doesn't sound too negative There are just better places to buy than savastore.. and why not go for a 8MB cache HDD for only a few pounds more.
Your post was not too negative at all.
Some of us were having problems in locating an outlet for these drives, the best one that I was able to find was Savastore.
Thanks for letting me know about Komplett, they have now been added to my favourites.
Btw - do you have any comments on Komplett's customer service? I have shopped at a few places now and have encountered problems with some site's service (most notably www.scan.co.uk - they supplied me with 30 CDRW's, of which only 8 worked, they refused to change any of them)
Some of us were having problems in locating an outlet for these drives, the best one that I was able to find was Savastore.
Thanks for letting me know about Komplett, they have now been added to my favourites.
Btw - do you have any comments on Komplett's customer service? I have shopped at a few places now and have encountered problems with some site's service (most notably www.scan.co.uk - they supplied me with 30 CDRW's, of which only 8 worked, they refused to change any of them)
I've only ever used them (Komplett) once and they were fine.. I've had friends use them and they've never had any complaints. I e-mailed them once about the availablility of some RAMBUS memory and they answered within 24 hours.
Only thing to note is that I think the items are despatched from Norway or something so I think it takes about ten days to arrive (could be wrong about this - my order was some time ago).
Their prices on many things are pretty good I thought and their range of bits ain't bad either.
Only thing to note is that I think the items are despatched from Norway or something so I think it takes about ten days to arrive (could be wrong about this - my order was some time ago).
Their prices on many things are pretty good I thought and their range of bits ain't bad either.
This is kind of OT, but I can't seem to find the PATA version on newegg's website. It was there two days ago, but it's not even listed today. (The 1604N is listed, but out of stock.) There's a pricewatch listing for the drive at newegg, but searching on that part number brings up a refurbished 1614N (which was in stock when I first searched for it, and gone 5 minutes later).
I know other retailers have them, but I wonder if this bodes ill for future Samsung drives at newegg...
Update 11/07: I called newegg and he said they're out of stock on the PATA version and have no ETA date. I wonder if Samsung has halted production of the PATA version?
I know other retailers have them, but I wonder if this bodes ill for future Samsung drives at newegg...
Update 11/07: I called newegg and he said they're out of stock on the PATA version and have no ETA date. I wonder if Samsung has halted production of the PATA version?
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Hmm, all the SP1614N's are gone from ExcaliberPC's site too. Weird...Justin_R wrote:This is kind of OT, but I can't seem to find the PATA version on newegg's website. It was there two days ago, but it's not even listed today. (The 1604N is listed, but out of stock.) There's a pricewatch listing for the drive at newegg, but searching on that part number brings up a refurbished 1614N (which was in stock when I first searched for it, and gone 5 minutes later).
I know other retailers have them, but I wonder if this bodes ill for future Samsung drives at newegg...
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They added it this morning sometime after my previous post. It wasn't listed there when I went looking for the PATA SP1614N.Justin_R wrote:In positive news, newegg now lists the SATA 160GB 8MB Samsung SP1614C version for $136 shipped.
The PATA 1614N is listed as out-of-stock again at newegg. I wound up ordering 2 of them for $118 each shipped from Monarch Computer. I called to make sure they had stock, and the guy I spoke to said there had been a run on them in the past few days, and that he didn't know anything about future shipments. I'd advise anyone that's thinking of buying one to do it soon.
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Directron has the PATA version for $107, strangely $3 less than the 2mb version...
Pardon me for my general ignorance, but what's so great about the SP1614C and 1614N drives? Is it just the high capacity, or low price per GB, or great performance?
Are they quieter than a Seagate Barracuda IV or V?
I'm not trying to be negative, I really don't know. But you guys seem to be into this drive, so I'm hoping someone might tell me what makes them special.
Thanks!
Are they quieter than a Seagate Barracuda IV or V?
I'm not trying to be negative, I really don't know. But you guys seem to be into this drive, so I'm hoping someone might tell me what makes them special.
Thanks!
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You can find answers to your questions by using the search, there's been lots of info posted about these drives, but to sum it up:sclawson wrote:Pardon me for my general ignorance, but what's so great about the SP1614C and 1614N drives? Is it just the high capacity, or low price per GB, or great performance?
Are they quieter than a Seagate Barracuda IV or V?
I'm not trying to be negative, I really don't know. But you guys seem to be into this drive, so I'm hoping someone might tell me what makes them special.
Thanks!
1)As quiet as a Barracuda IV
2)Noticeably better performance than a cuda IV,
3)Run cooler than the cuda IV,
4)3 year warranty,
5)Available. (cuda IV is out of production and very difficult to find).