who's getting the zalman case?
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This thing - great as a server? Not really.
Servers (the "real" ones anyway) all have redundancy enough to not worry about losing a fan or so.
It'd be an interesting project for home (though it must weigh a TON).
I am surprised to see it being more expensive in the US ($ 1200) than in the UK (ca. £ 700 at http://www.quietpc.com/uk/tnn500a.php), which is roughly $ 1100.
I suspect it's more of a "concept win", an experiment shaping the way of things to come (once they go down from that astronomical price).
Servers (the "real" ones anyway) all have redundancy enough to not worry about losing a fan or so.
It'd be an interesting project for home (though it must weigh a TON).
I am surprised to see it being more expensive in the US ($ 1200) than in the UK (ca. £ 700 at http://www.quietpc.com/uk/tnn500a.php), which is roughly $ 1100.
I suspect it's more of a "concept win", an experiment shaping the way of things to come (once they go down from that astronomical price).
You can already buy SS drives at sizes up into the 200 GByte range. And their performance blows away even the fastest SCSI drives. (no spinning disk=virtually no latency) The IDE versions are probably the only IDE disks made that are actually limited by the throughput of the cable, instead of by the HDD itself.
The downside.....
They cost more than your car. (or your house, depending upon your neighborhood )
The downside.....
They cost more than your car. (or your house, depending upon your neighborhood )
SS drives? I've done a google but couldn't quite find them. What's them then? I'm guessing solid state, but I've not found any for sale...Rusty075 wrote:You can already buy SS drives at sizes up into the 200 GByte range. And their performance blows away even the fastest SCSI drives. (no spinning disk=virtually no latency) The IDE versions are probably the only IDE disks made that are actually limited by the throughput of the cable, instead of by the HDD itself.
Heh - that's OK. You've offered to give me one, right?Rusty075 wrote: The downside.....
They cost more than your car. (or your house, depending upon your neighborhood )
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Here. Someone here at SPCR has a system with one of them in it.shathal wrote:SS drives? I've done a google but couldn't quite find them. What's them then? I'm guessing solid state, but I've not found any for sale...Rusty075 wrote:You can already buy SS drives at sizes up into the 200 GByte range. And their performance blows away even the fastest SCSI drives. (no spinning disk=virtually no latency) The IDE versions are probably the only IDE disks made that are actually limited by the throughput of the cable, instead of by the HDD itself.
Hmmm ... I could call in a few favours I'm owed and get ahold of a P4EE easily enough.
But mailing it to the US and getting ahold of the 6800 Ultra ... (esp. since I'm in need of one FIRST...) ....
... mhhmmm ... I'll think about it... come to think about it - I think I'll rather keep a 6800 Ultra for myself .
But mailing it to the US and getting ahold of the 6800 Ultra ... (esp. since I'm in need of one FIRST...) ....
... mhhmmm ... I'll think about it... come to think about it - I think I'll rather keep a 6800 Ultra for myself .
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Maxamus - actually, http://www.quietpc.com/uk/tnn500a.php offers that thing at £ 700 retail, and nearly £ 600 pre-order.Maxamus wrote:£800 retail in the UK!!!
i am not paying that much for a case!
I dont care how silent it is, at that price its way too steep.
Damn if i bought that along with all the other good hardware it would cost me £2000!!!!
Who they kidding..........
Not that this is MUCH better (let alone affordable), but it's still 100 - 200 quid you don't have to fork out.
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Gordon Benett!!!!
You're right...
I'd thought the 675 was the "normal" price, and had a vague recollection of them lowering the price by "a lot" for introduction/pre-order.
To show my emotions on reading the QuietPC article, they went something like this:
Aha ...
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Interesting ...
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Really...
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Ohhh...
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HOW MUCH???
<At this point, I didn't quite know whether to crack up, or considering writing an e-mail to Zalman, stating that people who buy chassis for that sort of money are usually talking Servers, and spending a LOT more than "mere mortals" can afford.>
I'll be impressed if they sell more than a dozen (to some rich kids who want to show off). I certainly don't just have 700-800 (seeee - revised (!) prices ) quid lying around like that.
Not YET at any rate... .
You're right...
I'd thought the 675 was the "normal" price, and had a vague recollection of them lowering the price by "a lot" for introduction/pre-order.
To show my emotions on reading the QuietPC article, they went something like this:
Aha ...
...
Interesting ...
...
Really...
...
Ohhh...
...
...
HOW MUCH???
<At this point, I didn't quite know whether to crack up, or considering writing an e-mail to Zalman, stating that people who buy chassis for that sort of money are usually talking Servers, and spending a LOT more than "mere mortals" can afford.>
I'll be impressed if they sell more than a dozen (to some rich kids who want to show off). I certainly don't just have 700-800 (seeee - revised (!) prices ) quid lying around like that.
Not YET at any rate... .
eh, I think it's pretty cool, even with the high cost. I mean, how many times do you upgrade your case compared to your system? I still have an old mid tower case from 10 years back that's still in use, just pretend you upgraded your whole system and wait 2 years
I still don't see why there are so many complaints about the price in those hardware forums where there are ppl buying new video cards for like $400 all the while knowing it'll drop to $100 in like 6 months
However, with BTX supposedly rolling around this year, might want to consider plopping that much on a case whose standard is about to change soon.
I still don't see why there are so many complaints about the price in those hardware forums where there are ppl buying new video cards for like $400 all the while knowing it'll drop to $100 in like 6 months
However, with BTX supposedly rolling around this year, might want to consider plopping that much on a case whose standard is about to change soon.
I suspect that part of the answer to your question, limee, is conditioning / psychological in nature.
Over time, we (I suspect we all) have come to accept the sorry fact that a "high-end" graphics card costs ~400 USD (or whatever your local currency might be).
Most chassis tend to be somewhat rather under the 300 USD mark, I'd dare claim, with most hovering around/under 100 USD.
For Zalman to now come out with a chassis that costs 4x - 10x more than "the usual price", it's of course a bit of a shock to the system.
It's not so much the fact on its own that it's also that you can get an entire system for the price of the chassis, but also the LEAP in price .
Think that might be at least PART of the reason for the relative shock to the community .
(NOT that this is meant as encouragement for chassis-prices to be going up now...)
Over time, we (I suspect we all) have come to accept the sorry fact that a "high-end" graphics card costs ~400 USD (or whatever your local currency might be).
Most chassis tend to be somewhat rather under the 300 USD mark, I'd dare claim, with most hovering around/under 100 USD.
For Zalman to now come out with a chassis that costs 4x - 10x more than "the usual price", it's of course a bit of a shock to the system.
It's not so much the fact on its own that it's also that you can get an entire system for the price of the chassis, but also the LEAP in price .
Think that might be at least PART of the reason for the relative shock to the community .
(NOT that this is meant as encouragement for chassis-prices to be going up now...)
I don't really think that selling boatloads of these things was ever Zalman's goal. They're smart guys, they did the market research, they know what the pricepoints are. For Zalman, it serves two useful purposes, even if it doesn't sell:
1. Technology demonstration. You will see trickle-down from this thing into other products. The heatpipe CPU/GPU cooler and the new PSU form factor at least will see the light again in other products.
2. Advertising. Nearly every PC site has splashed a big picture of this case across their front page. And that's without Zalman even sending 99% of them a sample!
As for the price, it's really not that high. Do the math:
High quality aluminum case: $200-ish.
Fanless PSU: $150-250
CPU cooler, GPU cooler: $100-ish total, if you went with something like a 7000a and an 80C-HP, but even the best aircooling wouldn't match the fanless cooling of this case. A watercooled setup is probably a more accurate comparison. For something comparable you're probably talking in the $300 range.
So a high-end watercooled setup, in a quality case, with a fanless PSU could total $750. Now how much of a premium would you pay to get all of that in one box, from one source, with warranty support, and the knowledge that it will all work without tinkering?
Those of us here like to tinker, so we're probably less willing to fork out extra cash for an all-in-one system, but for some people, the appeal is there.
1. Technology demonstration. You will see trickle-down from this thing into other products. The heatpipe CPU/GPU cooler and the new PSU form factor at least will see the light again in other products.
2. Advertising. Nearly every PC site has splashed a big picture of this case across their front page. And that's without Zalman even sending 99% of them a sample!
As for the price, it's really not that high. Do the math:
High quality aluminum case: $200-ish.
Fanless PSU: $150-250
CPU cooler, GPU cooler: $100-ish total, if you went with something like a 7000a and an 80C-HP, but even the best aircooling wouldn't match the fanless cooling of this case. A watercooled setup is probably a more accurate comparison. For something comparable you're probably talking in the $300 range.
So a high-end watercooled setup, in a quality case, with a fanless PSU could total $750. Now how much of a premium would you pay to get all of that in one box, from one source, with warranty support, and the knowledge that it will all work without tinkering?
Those of us here like to tinker, so we're probably less willing to fork out extra cash for an all-in-one system, but for some people, the appeal is there.
shathal: Point taken
One thing about this case, though, is that regardless, there will be some heat being generated, and so when it rises/leaves the case, cooler air from the outside will be drawn in. So, I'm guessing that it still doesn't prevent dust build up overtime will it? It would be minimal, but would, say, the nexus/bluefront case prevent that sort of build up?
One thing about this case, though, is that regardless, there will be some heat being generated, and so when it rises/leaves the case, cooler air from the outside will be drawn in. So, I'm guessing that it still doesn't prevent dust build up overtime will it? It would be minimal, but would, say, the nexus/bluefront case prevent that sort of build up?
I don't think even Blueftont's setup will remove ALL dust. If you think about the difficulties fab's such as Intel's/AMD's and that sort go through, to have "clean" air ...
... you'll realize that the best we can hope for is "cleanish" / noticably less gunk in the system. So, you'd reduce the burden of dust/gunk in your system, but you'd still GET it.
Short of working in a perfect vacuum, you're always going to get SOME kind of impurities.
... you'll realize that the best we can hope for is "cleanish" / noticably less gunk in the system. So, you'd reduce the burden of dust/gunk in your system, but you'd still GET it.
Short of working in a perfect vacuum, you're always going to get SOME kind of impurities.
The friend of mine who ordered the Zalman TNN-500A from QuietPC got email stating that they are about to ship the case, expected delivery date is May 17th.
I managed to get myself invited to go visit my friend and help him install the case when he gets it (I'm very interested to see the case up close!).
I'm wondering if I should try taking some pictures about the install process and put them on the web...
Pate
I managed to get myself invited to go visit my friend and help him install the case when he gets it (I'm very interested to see the case up close!).
I'm wondering if I should try taking some pictures about the install process and put them on the web...
Pate
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Ask your mate if you can post the pics (we don't want you to loose a friend in the quest for silence). Try and take as many pics as you can so that you have plenty to choose from when it comes to posting them
Taking temps would be a really big plus. If it really can keep a machine both quiet and cool I'm sure there will be a few of us mad enough to buy one
Taking temps would be a really big plus. If it really can keep a machine both quiet and cool I'm sure there will be a few of us mad enough to buy one