I prefer windows 7 and office 2003
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I prefer windows 7 and office 2003
i find windows 10 and office 207 with ribbon and onward incomprehensible
I prefer windows 7 and office 2003
there's no learning curve for windows 7 for me, having grown up with windows 95
and office 2003.
it seemingly feels faster and snappier to, seemingly loads quicker.
also windows 10 automatic updates and telemetry spyware is concerning to me
cornata seems like eating up cpu cycles
my core 2 duo doesn't have an nvme i'd have to buy an adapter
how to install windows 7 using nvme driver?
how much performance do i lose by going ssd sata vs ssd nvme?
I prefer windows 7 and office 2003
there's no learning curve for windows 7 for me, having grown up with windows 95
and office 2003.
it seemingly feels faster and snappier to, seemingly loads quicker.
also windows 10 automatic updates and telemetry spyware is concerning to me
cornata seems like eating up cpu cycles
my core 2 duo doesn't have an nvme i'd have to buy an adapter
how to install windows 7 using nvme driver?
how much performance do i lose by going ssd sata vs ssd nvme?
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Windows 7 is starting to lose support, and will very likely get worsen as times goes by, my suggestion si move on, Windows 10 is the fastest and more secure windows to date, its not perfect and its very intrusive, but as an OS is very stable and to me atm is very mature, there are issues none the less, but in time you will lose more than you gain by not moving on.i find windows 10 and office 207 with ribbon and onward incomprehensible
I prefer windows 7 and office 2003
There is very little learning curve from 7 to 10, the start button is back, you can do it without titles, its pretty much a windows 7 with support.there's no learning curve for windows 7 for me, having grown up with windows 95
Automatic updates you can fix with PRO edition, on the Spyware.... yes its a pain, and it shoulnt be there, but i personally dont think its a big deal either.also windows 10 automatic updates and telemetry spyware is concerning to me
I dont use it much, but when i did never saw that much cpu use because of it.cornata seems like eating up cpu cycles
For the average user there is virtually no difference, unless you do benefit from high sequential reads/writes, then NVME PCIe ssds make sense, almost any ssd will give you snappiness and responsiveness that an ssd introduce to pcs, you would even have a tough time differentiating between sata ii and sata iii ssd, not to say an NVME. Specially for an old pc like you are trying to do do, go with sata ssd, you will be fine and not have to deal streaming the drivers of the hdd.how much performance do i lose by going ssd sata vs ssd nvme?
Add NVMe driver support to Windows 7 Installationhow to install windows 7 using nvme driver?
How to Install Windows 7 on Intel 750 Series NVME Drive
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If you C2D-era CPU, you likely won't be able to boot from NVME drive, even if you put one on an adapter. SATA SSD makes more sense, do you have any SATA3-ports on motherboard?
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I prefer Linux.
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asus p5k is sata 2 i believe.akm wrote:If you C2D-era CPU, you likely won't be able to boot from NVME drive, even if you put one on an adapter. SATA SSD makes more sense, do you have any SATA3-ports on motherboard?
yeah i've wondered if i will be able to boot from NVME. ever heard of clover EFI?
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thanks for the reasurrance Abula, as my asus p5k i believe is sata 2Abula wrote:Windows 7 is starting to lose support, and will very likely get worsen as times goes by, my suggestion si move on, Windows 10 is the fastest and more secure windows to date, its not perfect and its very intrusive, but as an OS is very stable and to me atm is very mature, there are issues none the less, but in time you will lose more than you gain by not moving on.i find windows 10 and office 207 with ribbon and onward incomprehensible
I prefer windows 7 and office 2003
There is very little learning curve from 7 to 10, the start button is back, you can do it without titles, its pretty much a windows 7 with support.there's no learning curve for windows 7 for me, having grown up with windows 95
Automatic updates you can fix with PRO edition, on the Spyware.... yes its a pain, and it shoulnt be there, but i personally dont think its a big deal either.also windows 10 automatic updates and telemetry spyware is concerning to me
I dont use it much, but when i did never saw that much cpu use because of it.cornata seems like eating up cpu cycles
For the average user there is virtually no difference, unless you do benefit from high sequential reads/writes, then NVME PCIe ssds make sense, almost any ssd will give you snappiness and responsiveness that an ssd introduce to pcs, you would even have a tough time differentiating between sata ii and sata iii ssd, not to say an NVME. Specially for an old pc like you are trying to do do, go with sata ssd, you will be fine and not have to deal streaming the drivers of the hdd.how much performance do i lose by going ssd sata vs ssd nvme?
Add NVMe driver support to Windows 7 Installationhow to install windows 7 using nvme driver?
How to Install Windows 7 on Intel 750 Series NVME Drive
i suspect cornata and others eat up cpu cycles and makes things slower.
its my understanding most drivers will work on vista 7 and 10, except perhaps direct x 12
i feel unconfortable with automatic updates, i've heard of people getting their installs bricked
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asus p5k uses sata2 and intel p35 and ddr2 which is why i bought it, it has everything i need
do you know anything about clover efi?
apparently i can somehow install clover efi on legacy bios pci adapter nvme card onto the m.2 and somehow it allows installation of windows 10 on m.2 on pci e or windows 7
looks kinda complicated tbh.
obviously a sata ssd is much easier, but how much performance loss is there?
there's not much of a price difference between sata samsung 250gb and a nvme m.2 250gb of same capacity, and an adapter is about $25
so the question is performance.
do you know anything about clover efi?
apparently i can somehow install clover efi on legacy bios pci adapter nvme card onto the m.2 and somehow it allows installation of windows 10 on m.2 on pci e or windows 7
looks kinda complicated tbh.
obviously a sata ssd is much easier, but how much performance loss is there?
there's not much of a price difference between sata samsung 250gb and a nvme m.2 250gb of same capacity, and an adapter is about $25
so the question is performance.
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The Asus P5K has 2 PCI-Express 16X slots. On most current motherboards using both of these slots would reduce speed to 8X but I'm not sure this is the case with the P5K. It's possible that using both would drop the speeds to 16X + 4X. The adaptor you are proposing to use specifies 4X PCI-Express 3.0 as a normal requirement. Your PCI-E slots are to the earlier 1.0/1.1 PCI-E standard. In terms of speed they would be around 25% of PCI-E 3.0, so your main 16X slot would be around 4X equivalent, and the secondary one could be as low as 1X equivalent. Using an equivalent to a 1X PCI-Express 3.0 slot for a NVME drive could clearly reduce its potential speed significantly. I don't think it would make sense to go this route and SATA would be a better option.
The other option is whether the graphics card could be moved to the secondary position, and to then use the primary 16X slot for the adapter. I'm not convinced this would work at all, but you could try moving the graphics card to see if it is possible. This still relies on the assumption that there won't be further speed losses due to factors other than the PCI-E slots speeds including the performance of the chipset and CPU, the speed of the memory bus and/or the memory installed on the motherboard. In short, SATA is probably the only practical option.
The other option is whether the graphics card could be moved to the secondary position, and to then use the primary 16X slot for the adapter. I'm not convinced this would work at all, but you could try moving the graphics card to see if it is possible. This still relies on the assumption that there won't be further speed losses due to factors other than the PCI-E slots speeds including the performance of the chipset and CPU, the speed of the memory bus and/or the memory installed on the motherboard. In short, SATA is probably the only practical option.
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wow i wish i could +1 this as in like this. i find it helpful and informative.lodestar wrote:The Asus P5K has 2 PCI-Express 16X slots. On most current motherboards using both of these slots would reduce speed to 8X but I'm not sure this is the case with the P5K. It's possible that using both would drop the speeds to 16X + 4X. The adaptor you are proposing to use specifies 4X PCI-Express 3.0 as a normal requirement. Your PCI-E slots are to the earlier 1.0/1.1 PCI-E standard. In terms of speed they would be around 25% of PCI-E 3.0, so your main 16X slot would be around 4X equivalent, and the secondary one could be as low as 1X equivalent. Using an equivalent to a 1X PCI-Express 3.0 slot for a NVME drive could clearly reduce its potential speed significantly. I don't think it would make sense to go this route and SATA would be a better option.
The other option is whether the graphics card could be moved to the secondary position, and to then use the primary 16X slot for the adapter. I'm not convinced this would work at all, but you could try moving the graphics card to see if it is possible. This still relies on the assumption that there won't be further speed losses due to factors other than the PCI-E slots speeds including the performance of the chipset and CPU, the speed of the memory bus and/or the memory installed on the motherboard. In short, SATA is probably the only practical option.
i think pciE 4x 1.1 is still faster than sata 2 though.
of course i'll have to figure out clover efi if i want to go this route
is there a 2tb limit for ssd as boot drive like there is for hard drives, for MBR?
since we're on silent pc computing i read the samsung evo 860 is the lowest power consumption sata ssd, so this is the one i should get, then put windows on it?
currently i'm using a samsung sp2000c which is 200gb nidec moter. for some reason the hard drive keeps seeking even though i turned off windows indexing
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This is what Microsoft have to say on the subject.dan wrote:is there a 2tb limit for ssd as boot drive like there is for hard drives, for MBR?
As far as SSDs go, take your pick. Samsung's Evo 860 is a popular drive but there are alternatives. Most SSD manufacturers also offer freedownloads of utility software such as WD Dashboard, Samsung Magician, etc. This software can be useful to check and install any firmware updates that become available. One point to be wary of with them is that some automatically set high performance Windows power settings without notifying you. This is done to maximize SSD performance, it's easy to change if need be.
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btw does the asus p5k use legacy bios or uefi
not clear to me
it is definitely AMI which is different from what msi and gigabyte use.
if legacy bios, can it be updated to uefi?
i know that clover efi and duet offer something like uefi but doesn't modify the bios
i'm looking over duet 50 lines of instruction+ and i'm thinking wow
https://superuser.com/questions/619226/ ... or-in-a-pc
not clear to me
it is definitely AMI which is different from what msi and gigabyte use.
if legacy bios, can it be updated to uefi?
i know that clover efi and duet offer something like uefi but doesn't modify the bios
i'm looking over duet 50 lines of instruction+ and i'm thinking wow
https://superuser.com/questions/619226/ ... or-in-a-pc
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The Asus P5K is definitely what is now called a Legacy BIOS. Bearing in mind that the latest BIOS update available for it is over 10 years old the BIOS clearly dates to a considerable time before UEFI appeared. So it can't be updated. Clover EFI and Duet are presumably designed to load a software-based UEFI-equivalent BIOS at boot.
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so 2tb it is.lodestar wrote:This is what Microsoft have to say on the subject.dan wrote:is there a 2tb limit for ssd as boot drive like there is for hard drives, for MBR?
As far as SSDs go, take your pick. Samsung's Evo 860 is a popular drive but there are alternatives. Most SSD manufacturers also offer freedownloads of utility software such as WD Dashboard, Samsung Magician, etc. This software can be useful to check and install any firmware updates that become available. One point to be wary of with them is that some automatically set high performance Windows power settings without notifying you. This is done to maximize SSD performance, it's easy to change if need be.
actually one reason to use duet efi or clover efi is to get around that but ssd greater than 2tb are cost prohibitive at least for me
given i'm bound by sata2 i guess i would maximize on power saving and running cool, possibly useful to prolonging component life
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do you have any experience with Clover EFI or Duet?lodestar wrote:The Asus P5K is definitely what is now called a Legacy BIOS. Bearing in mind that the latest BIOS update available for it is over 10 years old the BIOS clearly dates to a considerable time before UEFI appeared. So it can't be updated. Clover EFI and Duet are presumably designed to load a software-based UEFI-equivalent BIOS at boot.
looks kinda complicated tbh
any experience with windows 10 enterprise?
i want a 10 that looks like 7 as closely as possible. if i cannot install 7 that is.
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Just go with a standard sata ssd and install windows 7, you really wont be missing anything. I feel you think you will be losing a ton going with Sata, and its not like that at all, yes if you have the opportunity i would (but this would mean to upgrade everything). Sata SSDs are here to stay for years to come, and even if NVME is the future, there will be faster ssds by the time you upgrade your pc, and we are getting near to the release of PCIe 4.0, meaning that formats can change, maybe they release NVME2... who knows... buy for today for how you want to run your pc, in PC futureproofing is the one of the worst things to try to do.dan wrote:i want a 10 that looks like 7 as closely as possible. if i cannot install 7 that is.
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Asus don't list any Windows 10 drivers for the P5K. Despite that some users of early Asus boards report that Windows 10 installs all the necessary drivers.
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yeah i feel i do just bc there are synthetic benchmarks that compare nvme vs sataAbula wrote:Just go with a standard sata ssd and install windows 7, you really wont be missing anything. I feel you think you will be losing a ton going with Sata, and its not like that at all, yes if you have the opportunity i would (but this would mean to upgrade everything). Sata SSDs are here to stay for years to come, and even if NVME is the future, there will be faster ssds by the time you upgrade your pc, and we are getting near to the release of PCIe 4.0, meaning that formats can change, maybe they release NVME2... who knows... buy for today for how you want to run your pc, in PC futureproofing is the one of the worst things to try to do.dan wrote:i want a 10 that looks like 7 as closely as possible. if i cannot install 7 that is.
esp latency.
but i'm looking at vids on clover bootloader and i'm thinking wtf?
i do live near a microcenter which has a generous return policy.
Vantec M.2 NVMe/M.2 SATA SSD PCIe x4 Adapter
http://www.microcenter.com/product/4836 ... x4_Adapter
$18.99
My Wish Lists:
windows 7 i understand. 10 looks completely different to anything i've seen
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i was able to install 10 without any problemlodestar wrote:Asus don't list any Windows 10 drivers for the P5K. Despite that some users of early Asus boards report that Windows 10 installs all the necessary drivers.
once installed i had no clue where anything one.
7 everything is like xp which is like 98 which is like 95
10 had these tiles and cornata and i was like wtf?
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At least you have been spared the "delights" of Windows 8 and 8.1...
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looks too much of a deviation of windows xplodestar wrote:At least you have been spared the "delights" of Windows 8 and 8.1...
windows 10 looks kinda confusing to me but i've heard enterprise is closer to xp and 7
do you have any experience with clover efi bootloader?
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Hi, my cup of tea is Linux
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which distro?EWN64 wrote:Hi, my cup of tea is Linux
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Another Linux fan here. I use Linux Mint XFCE and Libre Office. Give it a try dan unless you are big on gaming or some other thing that keeps you tethered to Windows. I made the transition slowly, stuck with Win7 for a time and switched over gradually. Libre Office, Firefox, Thunderbird etc are the same on both systems.
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hi yall
i've looked at KAOS distro bc i like the idea of being pure 64 with legacy jetison. not sure if it works with bios.
i've looked at KAOS distro bc i like the idea of being pure 64 with legacy jetison. not sure if it works with bios.
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Man i just wished devolopers would support more vulcan to move on to linux for everything and forget windows.... but for now i cant move ='(Vicotnik wrote:Another Linux fan here. I use Linux Mint XFCE and Libre Office. Give it a try dan unless you are big on gaming or some other thing that keeps you tethered to Windows. I made the transition slowly, stuck with Win7 for a time and switched over gradually. Libre Office, Firefox, Thunderbird etc are the same on both systems.
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Hi Dan,dan wrote:which distro?EWN64 wrote:Hi, my cup of tea is Linux
> I prefer windows 7 and office 2003 ... having grown up with windows 95
> my core 2 duo ...
To answer “which distro?,” a quick and easy solution for about any old PC hardware that you want to work like Win95:
- Buy an SSD that fits your system. [1]
- Install Devuan ASCII (based on Debian 9, Stretch, see note in [2].)
- Install TDE, Trinity Desktop Environment (continuation of KDE 3.5). [3]
- Add LibreOffice (and Wine if you need a Win program). [4]
I’m writing this using LibreOffice on a 10 year old core 2 duo laptop...
Hey Abula,Abula wrote: Man i just wished devolopers would support more vulcan to move on to linux for everything and forget windows.... but for now i cant move ='(
I don’t know if this works or not, but saw this recently about Linux & Vulkan:
https://linuxconfig.org/improve-your-wi ... -with-dxvk
Best,
Michael
[1] My preference for a laptop is a $150 Samsung 850 EVO 500GB 2.5-Inch SATA III Internal SSD:
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-2-5-Inch ... B00P73B1E4
, but see PassMark for what floats your boat...
https://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/high_end_drives.html
[2]
https://devuan.org/
Why Devuan? This pretty much seems the best, non-biased, comparison of Debian (or any systemd OS [Ubuntu, Red Hat, openSUSE, Mint, Fedora, Arch]) and Devuan (e.g. a non systemd OS) that I found to solidify my opinions on why to not use systemd:
“With systemd the main advantage to use Linux is obsolete.”
https://blog.ungleich.ch/en-us/cms/blog ... of-devuan/
# # #
Using a 16GB+ USB to ‘burn’ the install DVD to is generally easiest. You’ll probably want this ISO.
/devuan/devuan_ascii/installer-iso/
devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_dvd-1.iso
During the install make sure to:
- Connect to your router with an Ethernet cable before booting.
- Select a mirror (this auto adds the correct Package repositories)
- And in the Software Selection only select:
- - Console productivity
- - Standard system utilities
Uncheck everything else, or you’ll add a bunch of bloat and/or a Desktop that old hardware struggles with.
[3]
https://www.trinitydesktop.org/index.php
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DevuanInstall
[4]
https://www.libreoffice.org/
https://wiki.debian.org/LibreOffice
https://www.winehq.org/
https://wiki.debian.org/Wine
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There are many errors in Windows 10.dan wrote:i find windows 10 and office 207 with ribbon and onward incomprehensible
I prefer windows 7 and office 2003
there's no learning curve for windows 7 for me, having grown up with windows 95
and office 2003.
it seemingly feels faster and snappier to, seemingly loads quicker.
also windows 10 automatic updates and telemetry spyware is concerning to me
cornata seems like eating up cpu cycles
my core 2 duo doesn't have an nvme i'd have to buy an adapter
how to install windows 7 using nvme driver?
how much performance do i lose by going ssd sata vs ssd nvme?