[What is your] Opinion on this system[?]

GamingGod · Post by **GamingGod** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:31 pm

190 e6300 c2duo w/ Sythe Ninja
120 gigabyte 965-P-DS3
100 1x1gig cheap ddr (something for a decent but not insane 24/7overclock)
80 Western Digital 2500ks
120 Seasonic S12 energy plus 550
200 1950pro or 1900xt
30 zf900
total
840

I want to upgrade to a dx10 card in a year or so when I feel its necessary, Would a 1950pro or 1900xt be better?
Also add in another gig of ram later if I find it is necessary, or would it better to just stick with one gig as 2x512 sticks?
Anyone know if any sales are coming up on anything listed in my range, or advice?

angelkiller · Post by **angelkiller** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:24 pm

If you want to upgrade to dx10 than I would get the x1950pro. Both cards are excellent value for the money, and the x1900xt would give you better preformance now, but the x1950pro will get you by until you upgrade. I see no point in spending the extra money now.

If you do get a dx10 card I would definitely get 2 gigs of RAM.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814102061

I personally have this card and love it! (after putting an accelero x2 on it)

GamingGod · Post by **GamingGod** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:43 pm

how about ram suggestions, something cheap but that will be get me a decent overclock that wont kill my cpu for at least 3 years.

By the way, Ive found the 1900xt and 1950pro for about the same price.

angelkiller · Post by **angelkiller** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:04 am

If you have found the two cards at the same price, than I would get the 1900xt. And of co

I have little knowledge of memory that overclocks well, but I would look for something by Corsair or OCZ.

pyogenes · Post by **pyogenes** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:30 am

angelkiller wrote:I have little knowledge of memory that overclocks well, but I would look for something by Corsair or OCZ.

If you get memory that is rated as DDR2-800 (PC2-6400) then you can overclock your CPU to 2.8GHz without overclocking the memory.

If youu plan on overclocking faster than that, Corsair is a safer bet than OCZ.

Tzupy · Post by **Tzupy** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:36 pm

You need DDR2, not DDR as written in the first post. Check the motherboard's memory compatibility list first.
I agree you need 2 x 1 GB DDR2-800 for the future, that's what I used for my E6600 on Gigabyte DQ6.
If you'll overclock to 400x7 I expect the stock chipset heatsink to get really hot. I suggest a HR-05 replacement.
You could cut costs with this X1950 Pro with VF-900 from Sapphire: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu ... =GX-138-SP

GamingGod · Post by **GamingGod** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:46 am

Ok Ive revised it abit now.

e6300 @2.8 w ninja plus revision B
gigabyte ds3
2 gigs ddr800 corsair twinx2048-6400
western digital 3200ks
saphire 1950xt (might put zf900 on it if needed)
Seasonic 430 S12

What does everyone think? Any comments/ criticisms?
What is the good thermal paste now arctic silver Asta-7g? Or AC 5? Or ceramique? Im not to up to date on thermal paste, help please.

angelkiller · Post by **angelkiller** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:17 am

GamingGod wrote:e6300 @2.8 w ninja plus revision B
gigabyte ds3
2 gigs ddr800 corsair twinx2048-6400
western digital 3200ks
saphire 1950xt (might put zf900 on it if needed)
Seasonic 430 S12

Looks really nice. How soon do you plan to upgrade to DX10? Your first post said about a year. It that's the case I would stick with the X1950XT. If you decide to upgrade in the near future (3-4 months), then I would get a X1950PRO instead.

Your PSU seems limiting to me. For the current config, it will be fine, but in the future.... If you ever want to upgrade your system, I think you will have to get a new PSU. For a safeguard I would get ~600 Watts. Alternatively, you could just upgrade your PSU whenever you decide to upgrade your system.

As for your thermal paste, I use Arctic Silver 5, which has given me good results.

GamingGod · Post by **GamingGod** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:39 pm

Wouldn`t a S12-430w run an overclocked core 2 duo and a 8800gtx or equivilant(which I will upgrade to as some time in the future)? I would never have more than 2 harddrives, probably only one. I figure that is 300w-350w tops. I wont be doing raid. I could get the S12+ 550w for 40 more but I didnt think I would need it.

angelkiller · Post by **angelkiller** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:47 pm

Yes, 430 Watts would be enough. I apologize, I was covering the possibility of you upgrading to SLI. But with just for a single 8800GTX, I think you will be OK.

naitsirk · Post by **naitsirk** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:38 am

Hey GamingGod

I'm setting up a system similar to yours right now and am aiming to put it all in a P180B.

I haven't got a clue about motherboards though - so many years since i've built a system now - so could you let me know if there is any particular reason for your choice of motherboard?

Cheers

HammerSandwich · Post by **HammerSandwich** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:31 am

GG, where did you find a DS3 for $120?

You might want to wait a few more weeks for an E4300. Not only will it be a little cheaper than the E6300, but its stock speed is 9x200, which should make OCing a breeze. 9x333 would give 3GHz with DDR2-667 running at spec.

And this is Silent PC Review, so I must recommend a bigger PSU for your system. Both the S12-550 and the Corsair HX520 are significantly quieter than the S12-430 at 200-300W. You're talking about OCing and 8800s, so there's a decent chance that your system will run in this range.

GamingGod · Post by **GamingGod** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:04 am

The ds3 was on sale at newegg for a while but I missed it. Now its back to 145. <I think>
I choose those boards because I wanted to overclock a decent amount and be stable and I dont want my first slot to be the PCI-E slot because id have to mod my server case to fit it. All those boards have the PCI-E as the 2nd slot. Biostar supposidly has a good cheap board but then I cant use me case

How much would an overclocked 6300 and 8800gtx (everything else is modest, just 1 hardrdrive, 2gigDDR800, 1 optical) use up. I was estimating 90 for overclocked cpu and 150 <max> for gpu and maybe 50 for everything else. Thats 290 right, or am I way off?

Im afraid of waiting too long because I have been waiting and prices on my components have gone up! <not much but some>

Plus there is a rebate on the ram I want that ends on the 15th<which makes it cheaper than ddr667 in some cases>.

Also there isnt too much known about the e4300 except they are price gouging right now and it wont be cheap until there are alot of them on the market, and even then they will only be like 30-40 cheaper than a e6300. So I would be waiting for a slower processor that might now come down in price for another month-month and half.

Does this make sense, or am I off?

GamingGod · Post by **GamingGod** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:44 pm

Man everytime I think about building a new system something comes up that makes me want to wait another month.

The 320mb 8800gts is suppose to come out and be around $300. which would be better than the 1950xt for $250. <including price of zalman>

Also the e4300 and e6320 are both coming out in february. I just hate to wait for nothing. Plus even when they are released it will probably be hard to get one for at least the first month. I might end up waiting till April just to get slightly faster components for a little bit cheaper. ARGGGG I hate marketers!

HammerSandwich · Post by **HammerSandwich** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:29 am

GamingGod wrote: How much would an overclocked 6300 and 8800gtx (everything else is modest, just 1 hardrdrive, 2gigDDR800, 1 optical) use up. I was estimating 90 for overclocked cpu and 150 <max> for gpu and maybe 50 for everything else. Thats 290 right, or am I way off?

You can find some power numbers for a similar configuration at TechReport. The outstanding variable will be increased voltage, since that really affects power draw. Planning to need up to 250W DC sounds safe to me, and that's where the bigger PSUs can reduce noise. From SPCR's testing, at 200W & 250W output:

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S12-430: 25dBA & 29dBA
S12-550: 20dBA & 21dBA
HX520  : 22dBA & 22dBA

GamingGod wrote: So I would be waiting for a slower processor that might now come down in price for another month-month and half.

That's a fair summary, except the E4300 will be easier to OC to max because of the higher multplier. The E6300 's 7x needs huge FSBs to hit the big OCs.

GamingGod · Post by **GamingGod** » Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:45 am

Few things first, I dont know much about OCing because im new to it.
I dont want to increase voltage, just maximize performance while leaving voltage stock.

I read that they got a e4300 to 2.9 on stock voltage for everything. And that the e4300 would put less strain on the northbridge because its running at 325-330fsb, instead of 400fsb <which would be my goal if I got the e6300. So would that mean that everything would be running cooler and perform equal or better than the e6300 at a similar frequency?

Or am I just splitting hairs, how bad is it to run the fsb at 400 steady?

Is the main attraction of the e4300 that you can use cheaper ram and mobo's to get a similar overclock to a e6300 with a DS3 and ddr2-800?

HammerSandwich · Post by **HammerSandwich** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:03 am

The E6300 will offer slightly higher performance at a given clockspeed. The extra cache helps some programs more than others but remains a factor. In addition, the lower multiplier might benefit certain bandwidth-sensitive applications. I've not noticed any significant differences in the testing I've read, but I wasn't watching specifically for this. This probably is splitting hairs. Go read Anandtech's E4300 article.

I'm not sure anyone knows how well the 965 chipset handles 400FSB in the long term. My OCing experience indicates that you'll want to upgrade before things start breaking.

Yep, I'd say you summarized the major difference from E4300 to E6300. The 6300 can hit big OCs, but you spend a lot more to make it possible. At just 3GHz, the 4300 needs a 333FSB, which should be easy. But a 6300 would hit 428! Do you want to reach the CPU's limit or be held back by the system?