Will Seasonic SS-400FL be sufficient? All sugestions welcome
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Will Seasonic SS-400FL be sufficient? All sugestions welcome
Hi everyone.
I am building a silent mid-sized rig mostly for photo-video editing. I have started researches about two weeks ago to broaden my knowledge but I may need your opinions about PSU and CASE anyway.
Till now I've been decided to get:
CPU: Xeon E3-1231 V3
Cooling: Noctua NH-D14
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002VKVZ1A
GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GT640
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0089AGH9G
PSU: Seasonic S12G-450 450W 80+ Gold Certified PSU with 12cm Silent Fan
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00GSJRDRK
CASE: SilverStone SST-FT03B
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004KZH9TQ
MOBO: Not sure yet as it will be somehow case dependant, I am thinking of Z97 chipset, possibly from Gigabyte
RAM: Corsair CML8GX3M2A1600C9B Vengeance Low Profile 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600 Mhz CL9 XMP
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00569K7LM
but after reading several articles from this and others websites I may rethink CASE and PSU. I could confirm the Silverstone FT03 case looks poorly made, with lots of cheep plastic without solid frame - simply is not what I wanted.
Now I will be looking at Antec or Fractal Design cases - suggestions appreciated
As a PSU I am thinking about efficient possibly fanless solution but I am not sure about wattage I will need.
The power supplies calculator (http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp) showed 296W as minimum and 346W as recommended for this config. Will Seasonic SS-400FL be sufficient and worth ~$160?
Thanks in advance for quick responds.
I am building a silent mid-sized rig mostly for photo-video editing. I have started researches about two weeks ago to broaden my knowledge but I may need your opinions about PSU and CASE anyway.
Till now I've been decided to get:
CPU: Xeon E3-1231 V3
Cooling: Noctua NH-D14
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002VKVZ1A
GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GT640
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0089AGH9G
PSU: Seasonic S12G-450 450W 80+ Gold Certified PSU with 12cm Silent Fan
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00GSJRDRK
CASE: SilverStone SST-FT03B
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004KZH9TQ
MOBO: Not sure yet as it will be somehow case dependant, I am thinking of Z97 chipset, possibly from Gigabyte
RAM: Corsair CML8GX3M2A1600C9B Vengeance Low Profile 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600 Mhz CL9 XMP
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00569K7LM
but after reading several articles from this and others websites I may rethink CASE and PSU. I could confirm the Silverstone FT03 case looks poorly made, with lots of cheep plastic without solid frame - simply is not what I wanted.
Now I will be looking at Antec or Fractal Design cases - suggestions appreciated
As a PSU I am thinking about efficient possibly fanless solution but I am not sure about wattage I will need.
The power supplies calculator (http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp) showed 296W as minimum and 346W as recommended for this config. Will Seasonic SS-400FL be sufficient and worth ~$160?
Thanks in advance for quick responds.
Last edited by fostel on Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Will Seasonic SS-400FL be sufficient? All sugestions wel
Welcome to SPCR.
The Xeon CPU without integrated gfx plus the GT 640 is a little odd. What's the driver for going this route rather than either:
- Xeon with integrated gfx
- Xeon w/o gfx + something like the GTX 750? (more than twice the horsepower of the GT 640, less power used, and only £10-15 more)
Photoshop makes use of the GPU for accelerating the display functions....but I think the HD gfx on a Xeon would handle it ok. Does your video editing s/w utilize the gpu for hardware acceleration?
case: Are you aiming for a mATX sized case?
cooler: dependant on case and mobo selection.
mobo: Gigabyte is fine. If you prefer BIOS based fan control, Asus, Asrock and MSI are much better. If you like s/w based fan control, Gigabyte's is similar to Asus.
PSU: stress load = CPU TDP + GPU TDP + ~ 50W = 80 + 65 + 50 = 195W. More likely video editing load of 150W. So, a 400W PSU is fine.
RAM: You have one of the few use cases for 16GB of RAM. Check out your current system's use...or, make sure to get a mobo with 4 RAM slots. You could go with 2x4GB now and add more later, if saving $'s.
storage: What are your plans? Highly recommend SSD(s) for OS/Apps/scratch disk and a slow rotating disk for finished media storage.
The Xeon CPU without integrated gfx plus the GT 640 is a little odd. What's the driver for going this route rather than either:
- Xeon with integrated gfx
- Xeon w/o gfx + something like the GTX 750? (more than twice the horsepower of the GT 640, less power used, and only £10-15 more)
Photoshop makes use of the GPU for accelerating the display functions....but I think the HD gfx on a Xeon would handle it ok. Does your video editing s/w utilize the gpu for hardware acceleration?
case: Are you aiming for a mATX sized case?
cooler: dependant on case and mobo selection.
mobo: Gigabyte is fine. If you prefer BIOS based fan control, Asus, Asrock and MSI are much better. If you like s/w based fan control, Gigabyte's is similar to Asus.
PSU: stress load = CPU TDP + GPU TDP + ~ 50W = 80 + 65 + 50 = 195W. More likely video editing load of 150W. So, a 400W PSU is fine.
RAM: You have one of the few use cases for 16GB of RAM. Check out your current system's use...or, make sure to get a mobo with 4 RAM slots. You could go with 2x4GB now and add more later, if saving $'s.
storage: What are your plans? Highly recommend SSD(s) for OS/Apps/scratch disk and a slow rotating disk for finished media storage.
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Re: Will Seasonic SS-400FL be sufficient? All sugestions wel
fostel wrote:I may rethink CASE and PSU...
...snipped out...
Thanks in advance for quick responds.
CASE: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00JBBH93K
PSU: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00NC4I90E
Re: Will Seasonic SS-400FL be sufficient? All sugestions wel
Thanks, appreciate quick reply too.CA_Steve wrote:Welcome to SPCR.
Basically, I've started to follow this video to build low-noise hackintosh:CA_Steve wrote: The Xeon CPU without integrated gfx plus the GT 640 is a little odd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_S9ve7IIew
but after a little research I found out that small Silverstone PSU may be too noisy, water cooling pump could fail, spill etc., so decided to modify suggested config to meet my needs better.
First I decided to swap to bigger SilverStone SST-FT03B to get more ATX PSU options and Noctua NH-D14 as many recommends. I received case today and I am disappointed, will return it and now I am on the beginning again - that’s why I am looking to get feedback from SPCR society.
My goals:
silent, solid, vibration free construction
efficient, reliable
budget ~$1000
case must fit this hardware comfortably with decent air flow but not many fans, rather minimalist design, one optical drive if any
Integrated isn't hackintosh friendly. Nvidia's more likely are. This particular GT640 claim to be silent, comments were good for video editing and costs me $120 - the cheapest deal I've seenCA_Steve wrote:What's the driver for going this route rather than either:
- Xeon with integrated gfx
I am trying to cut costs of course but sensible. I didn't know 750 are more efficient in competitive prices (suggestions? - silence factor, ports - hdmi and/or display port) Are GTX versions for gamers?CA_Steve wrote:- Xeon w/o gfx + something like the GTX 750? (more than twice the horsepower of the GT 640, less power used, and only £10-15 more)
Yes it does but not as much as CPUCA_Steve wrote: Photoshop makes use of the GPU for accelerating the display functions....but I think the HD gfx on a Xeon would handle it ok. Does your video editing s/w utilize the gpu for hardware acceleration?
No, I am notCA_Steve wrote:case: Are you aiming for a mATX sized case?
CA_Steve wrote:cooler: dependant on case and mobo selection.
I am not sure if others are as hackintosh friendly as Gigabyte.CA_Steve wrote:mobo: Gigabyte is fine. If you prefer BIOS based fan control, Asus, Asrock and MSI are much better. If you like s/w based fan control, Gigabyte's is similar to Asus.
Really good to hear, so it looks like I know the first component, to build the system on :-)CA_Steve wrote:PSU: stress load = CPU TDP + GPU TDP + ~ 50W = 80 + 65 + 50 = 195W. More likely video editing load of 150W. So, a 400W PSU is fine.
I heard that not many users will need as much as 16GB, so decided to go with 8GB but mainly because of budget. Choosed 2x4GB as they are CL9 rather than 1x8GB CL10 or 11CA_Steve wrote: RAM: You have one of the few use cases for 16GB of RAM. Check out your current system's use...or, make sure to get a mobo with 4 RAM slots. You could go with 2x4GB now and add more later, if saving $'s.
I am using SSD as OS/Apps/scratch disk and HDD's as media storage. Currently, dual boot: Linux (for all daily tasks) - Windows (photo workflow), but trying to move workflow to OSXCA_Steve wrote: storage: What are your plans? Highly recommend SSD(s) for OS/Apps/scratch disk and a slow rotating disk for finished media storage.
I already own and will try to use in future set up:
SSD, Samsung 840pro 256GB (MZ-7PD256BW)
HDD, Samsung Spinpoint MP4 HM640JJ 640GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 2.5"
HDD, Samsung Spinpoint MP4 HM320HJ 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 2.5" (external usb3)
ASUS PA246Q 1900x1200 monitor (HDMI, Display Port)
In the future I will be glad to see some RAID with 3,5" HDD's (case should allow me) but I can't tell now if hackintosh will handle it. I never done it on Linux as well.
Many thanks.
Fostel
Re: Hackintosh build help
As they say, you buried the lead.
There's a whole load of Mac models (laptops, Mac Mini come to mind) that operate with Haswell's integrated gfx...so suprised that Hackintosh enthusiasts are pointing you to a discrete card. You ought to recheck that. You can always add a gfx card. Since Apple flips back and forth between AMD and NVidia in their model years, you really need to make sure any particular gfx card will work/ drivers are covered.
Hackintosh mobo: yep, go for Gigabyte.
Case: I'm fond of my Fractal Design Define R4. Build thread is in signature. If you want smaller, there's the Define Mini. There's many others...
There's a whole load of Mac models (laptops, Mac Mini come to mind) that operate with Haswell's integrated gfx...so suprised that Hackintosh enthusiasts are pointing you to a discrete card. You ought to recheck that. You can always add a gfx card. Since Apple flips back and forth between AMD and NVidia in their model years, you really need to make sure any particular gfx card will work/ drivers are covered.
Hackintosh mobo: yep, go for Gigabyte.
Case: I'm fond of my Fractal Design Define R4. Build thread is in signature. If you want smaller, there's the Define Mini. There's many others...
Re: Will Seasonic SS-400FL be sufficient? All sugestions wel
Go with Intel graphics first, then buy a card later if needed. OOB = Out Of Box, means that it worked without changing anything, just like installing on an Apple computer.
http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index ... .0#INTEL_2
The i7 4770 has a GPU, is cheaper than the Xeon you picked, and runs at the same speed.
http://pricespy.co.uk/category.php?m=s1 ... #prodlista
The D14 is overpriced, The HR-02 cost £20 less and performes better at low fan speeds.
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1279-page6.html
http://pricespy.co.uk/product.php?p=1069729
No point in using a Z board if you're not overclocking.
Here's a list of parts I picked, you have to make sure everything fits of course:
http://pricespy.co.uk/list.php?l=11528&view=o
Edit: That didn't work. I'll post again.
I'd go for 16 GB, I just ran out of 7 GB RAM by running Opera and Spotify.
http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index ... .0#INTEL_2
The i7 4770 has a GPU, is cheaper than the Xeon you picked, and runs at the same speed.
http://pricespy.co.uk/category.php?m=s1 ... #prodlista
The D14 is overpriced, The HR-02 cost £20 less and performes better at low fan speeds.
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1279-page6.html
http://pricespy.co.uk/product.php?p=1069729
No point in using a Z board if you're not overclocking.
Here's a list of parts I picked, you have to make sure everything fits of course:
http://pricespy.co.uk/list.php?l=11528&view=o
Edit: That didn't work. I'll post again.
I'd go for 16 GB, I just ran out of 7 GB RAM by running Opera and Spotify.
Last edited by Mats on Thu Nov 13, 2014 3:04 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Will Seasonic SS-400FL be sufficient? All sugestions wel
fostel wrote:ASUS PA246Q 1900x1200 monitor (HDMI, Display Port)
You already have a good, wide gamut 10bit monitor, why don't you aim at an entry level 10bit graphics?
Anyway, look at the two reviews SPCR made onto the FT03: IMHO it's not that good, unless you felt in love with its design.
Re: Will Seasonic SS-400FL be sufficient? All sugestions wel
My list included:
Intel Core i7 4770
http://pricespy.co.uk/product.php?p=1916694
Thermalright HR-02 Macho
http://pricespy.co.uk/product.php?p=1069729
Be-Quiet Straight Power 10 400W
http://pricespy.co.uk/product.php?p=2796595
Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H
http://pricespy.co.uk/product.php?p=1953853
Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3 PC12800/1600MHz CL9 2x4GB
http://pricespy.co.uk/product.php?p=916997
Fractal Design Define Mini
http://pricespy.co.uk/product.php?p=807666
Intel Core i7 4770
http://pricespy.co.uk/product.php?p=1916694
Thermalright HR-02 Macho
http://pricespy.co.uk/product.php?p=1069729
Be-Quiet Straight Power 10 400W
http://pricespy.co.uk/product.php?p=2796595
Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H
http://pricespy.co.uk/product.php?p=1953853
Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3 PC12800/1600MHz CL9 2x4GB
http://pricespy.co.uk/product.php?p=916997
Fractal Design Define Mini
http://pricespy.co.uk/product.php?p=807666
Re: Hackintosh build help
Hi guys!
On the first place thanks for numerous answers.
http://prasys.info/2011/01/tonymac-seriously/
http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/ ... eal-again/
and the real mine of knowledge at: http://osx86project.org/
On the first place thanks for numerous answers.
You are absolutely right :-)CA_Steve wrote: As they say, you buried the lead. :)
Correct, Intel integrated gfx is supported OOB according to http://osx86project.org/CA_Steve wrote: There's a whole load of Mac models (laptops, Mac Mini come to mind) that operate with Haswell's integrated gfx...
We may guess, how so called "hackintosh enthusiasts" suggestions work being linked directly to amazon or/and newegg... I learnt a lot recently, specially I am glad to find sad truth about Hackintoshing:CA_Steve wrote: so suprised that Hackintosh enthusiasts are pointing you to a discrete card. You ought to recheck that. You can always add a gfx card. Since Apple flips back and forth between AMD and NVidia in their model years, you really need to make sure any particular gfx card will work/ drivers are covered.
http://prasys.info/2011/01/tonymac-seriously/
http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/ ... eal-again/
and the real mine of knowledge at: http://osx86project.org/
Luckily, it appears not to be so true. I would opt for mobo with BIOS based fan control.CA_Steve wrote: Hackintosh mobo: yep, go for Gigabyte.
Professionally looking case design (solid ~12kg!) and both USB2 and USB3 on top panel plus fan controller. Nice. If I will go with Fractal Design it will be Define R4 rather than mini as is not much wider and supports 140mm fans, and ATX standard mobo. Cost in UK:~£80 ~$125 - about right, still £23 less than Silverstone I returned.CA_Steve wrote: Case: I'm fond of my Fractal Design Define R4. Build thread is in signature. If you want smaller, there's the Define Mini. There's many others...
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Re: Will Seasonic SS-400FL be sufficient? All sugestions wel
That's right, thanks for correcting me.Mats wrote: Go with Intel graphics first, then buy a card later if needed. OOB = Out Of Box, means that it worked without changing anything, just like installing on an Apple computer.
http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index ... .0#INTEL_2
I've checked offers from first two shops your linked and it appears to show different CPU's than listed - risky.Mats wrote: The i7 4770 has a GPU, is cheaper than the Xeon you picked, and runs at the same speed.
http://pricespy.co.uk/category.php?m=s1 ... #prodlista
On the island Xeon's are now cheaper than i7 4770 (2013 - 3.4GHz) ~£230 (http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i74770) appropriately:
E3 1230 v3 (2013 - 3.3GHz) ~ £195 (http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-c ... 46e31230v3)
E3 1231 v3 (2014 - 3.4GHz) ~ £215 (http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-c ... 46e31231v3)
I will have a look, thanks. However don't forget Noctua is 2-fan cooler (fan cost ~£20 separately) and they provide extremely good warranty service.Mats wrote: The D14 is overpriced, The HR-02 cost £20 less and performes better at low fan speeds.
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1279-page6.html
http://pricespy.co.uk/product.php?p=1069729
Overclocking abilities are minor to me, that's right but I may like to see some expert options in BIOS anyway (undervolting rams, cpu, controlling fans etc.). Need help with mobo and chipset! Asus, MSI, AsRock, Gigabyte?Mats wrote: No point in using a Z board if you're not overclocking.
I've returned that 2x4GB and I'd go with 16GB so mobo may be 2 slots from now.Mats wrote: I'd go for 16 GB, I just ran out of 7 GB RAM by running Opera and Spotify. :D
Honestly, I thought any ~£100 card will be fine. Didn't check 10bit graphics before. Thanks for the tip!quest_for_silence wrote: You already have a good, wide gamut 10bit monitor, why don't you aim at an entry level 10bit graphics?
Update: I found AMD FirePro™ V4900 Graphics http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graph ... ro-3d/4900# ~£130
or even cheaper V3900 http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graph ... ro-3d/3900# but definitely those small gpu-fans installed looks noisy
Absolutely right - is not that good! I've done my own organoleptic tests and could confirm what the reviews treat of.quest_for_silence wrote: Anyway, look at the two reviews SPCR made onto the FT03: IMHO it's not that good, unless you felt in love with its design.
Better choice than i7 4770K which turned out to be castrated from functions/instructions:Mats wrote:Intel Core i7 4770
http://ark.intel.com/compare/75054,80910,75122,75123
Pinned on to my shopping basket but not decided yet (will read SPCR review soon)Mats wrote:Thermalright HR-02 Macho
Anything worthy to swap from fan-less passive £100 Seasonic SS-400FL to £70 active Be-Quiet Straight Power 10 400W?Mats wrote:Be-Quiet Straight Power 10 400W
I didn't even knew B85 chipset exist before you posted :-) Haven't been researching yet.Mats wrote:Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H
Last edited by fostel on Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:16 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Will Seasonic SS-400FL be sufficient? All sugestions wel
Summary:
Build budget: £650 ~ $1000
Goals:
Silent, solid, vibration free construction
Efficient, reliable
Case must fit chosen hardware comfortably with decent air flow but not many fans, rather minimalist design, one optical drive if any
HDMI or/and Display Port, DVI-I
Linux Ubuntu (critical), Hackintosh (minor) compatibility
Final thoughts for today :
Most probably I would go with:
CASE: Fractal Design Define R4 (http://www.fractal-design.com/home/prod ... lack-pearl) £80
PSU: Seasonic SS-400FL (http://www.seasonicusa.com/Platinum_Series_FL2.htm) £100 or be quiet! Straight Power 10 400W (http://www.bequiet.com/en/powersupply/518) £70
and
RAM: 16GB £120
MOBO: ATX, mini-ATX
CPU:
Intel Xeon £195 or i7 £230 but after digging deeper I found that Intel-Cinebench scam and other real life reviews about AMD-Intel I could support AMD-ATI, especially when real enthusiasts successfully building AMD hackintoshes. If it will be impossible sill I've got Win7Pro 64bit to run Lightroom. So new challenge may be an AMD FX8350 Black Edition 8 Core Processor (4.0GHz, 125W) rig for example: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B009O7YUF6 ~£125 or AMD A10 7850K Black Edition with Radeon R7 Series New FM2+ Kaveri HSA CPU http://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-AD785KXBJAB ... B00H7Z7YMI ~£120 with some decent ATX mobo and AMD FirePro card?
What do you think guys?
Video card:
AMD FirePro™ V4900 Graphics http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graph ... ro-3d/4900# £130
AMD FirePro™ V3900 Professional Graphics http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graph ... ro-3d/3900# £85
other? Don't know yet but will try to choose 10bit pro versions to fit wide gamut 10bit monitor Asus PA246Q 1920x1200
Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 £64 or Thermalright HR-02 Macho £40
Build budget: £650 ~ $1000
Goals:
Silent, solid, vibration free construction
Efficient, reliable
Case must fit chosen hardware comfortably with decent air flow but not many fans, rather minimalist design, one optical drive if any
HDMI or/and Display Port, DVI-I
Linux Ubuntu (critical), Hackintosh (minor) compatibility
Final thoughts for today :
Most probably I would go with:
CASE: Fractal Design Define R4 (http://www.fractal-design.com/home/prod ... lack-pearl) £80
PSU: Seasonic SS-400FL (http://www.seasonicusa.com/Platinum_Series_FL2.htm) £100 or be quiet! Straight Power 10 400W (http://www.bequiet.com/en/powersupply/518) £70
and
RAM: 16GB £120
MOBO: ATX, mini-ATX
CPU:
Intel Xeon £195 or i7 £230 but after digging deeper I found that Intel-Cinebench scam and other real life reviews about AMD-Intel I could support AMD-ATI, especially when real enthusiasts successfully building AMD hackintoshes. If it will be impossible sill I've got Win7Pro 64bit to run Lightroom. So new challenge may be an AMD FX8350 Black Edition 8 Core Processor (4.0GHz, 125W) rig for example: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B009O7YUF6 ~£125 or AMD A10 7850K Black Edition with Radeon R7 Series New FM2+ Kaveri HSA CPU http://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-AD785KXBJAB ... B00H7Z7YMI ~£120 with some decent ATX mobo and AMD FirePro card?
What do you think guys?
Video card:
AMD FirePro™ V4900 Graphics http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graph ... ro-3d/4900# £130
AMD FirePro™ V3900 Professional Graphics http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graph ... ro-3d/3900# £85
other? Don't know yet but will try to choose 10bit pro versions to fit wide gamut 10bit monitor Asus PA246Q 1920x1200
Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 £64 or Thermalright HR-02 Macho £40
Last edited by fostel on Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Will Seasonic SS-400FL be sufficient? All sugestions wel
AMD is horribly inferior in performance and power use vs Intel Haswell. The only upside is price. Here's a comparion of the 8350 vs i7-4790.