One important thing that you do need to ask yourself is what will i be doing with it, playing games at what res? even a GTX750ti can handle 1080p, gpus like 780/970/980 imo are more meant for 1440 gaming or benching. 120Hz displays could use a beefy card as well. For casual gaming a 750 might suffi...

No mini case can be as quiet as a large tower like the R4. I don't think that's true. Doesn't it mostly depend on airflow, not air volume? The R4 is big, mostly to support (lots of) drives. I think you could make it a lot smaller without compromising on either noise or cooling. Unfortunately most m...

Can't you put it behind, next to or on top of the cabinet? ATX itself is 9.6" x 12", getting awfully close to your 13". mATX is 9.6", but stack a ATX PSU on top and you're over 13" as well. What about the mATX http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pc-v352/? It's 16" long. Most of the time compact c...

Interesting case! I'd love to see a less expensive steel variant.
PSU at bottom would be nice too.

Oops, my bad, I looked at the old TJ08: http://www.silverstonetek.com/product_l ... model=tj08

So the Silverstone TJ08-E and Lian Li PC-V354 are more ideal? Though the TJ08 is only 10mm wider (bit hard to find wider cases without the other dimensions being much larger). The TJ08-E's width is 195mm, the 3840 is 200mm... Both have their own drawbacks: IMO the Lian Li is far from being ideal fo...

Too bad the 3480 can't be bought without PSU, but yeah, it comes close. Only supports 2x 92mm fans in front though, without the bays I think 2x 140mm would be possible.

An mATX case with a smaller *footprint* is a tall order (literally); if you want to keep the footprint the same, the height would have to increase. The area of an mATX board is about twice that of mini-ITX, and the M1 is already nearly as small as it could be with mini-ITX, given the requirement fo...

I have to say I don't get it. How can anyone say this case is too big? Standard ATX cases these days are HUGE, mATX cases aren't much better, and the number of enthusiast mITX cases that approach ATX size is staggering. What do case designers tell you when you mention that to them? I did speak abou...

I have to say I don't get it. How can anyone say this case is too big? Standard ATX cases these days are HUGE, mATX cases aren't much better, and the number of enthusiast mITX cases that approach ATX size is staggering. What do case designers tell you when you mention that to them? This case is rea...

xen wrote:I think the reasons for designing this case are not very sound.

What are you talking about? The M1? And what would you put on your desk?
Plenty of people put ATX and mATX towers on their desk and even if you don't size might still matter.

No, they're not equivalent to the S1.

edh wrote:The Accelero S1 Plus is too wide so something smaller is needed.

The custom Asus coolers are quite good IMO.

Silent but deadly wrote:

whispercat wrote:Any word on whatever became of this?

There was around a year between Corsair George starting the mITX thread on overclock.net and the 250D being announced. These things take time.

Sure, but some feedback from Corsair George would be nice, we're not asking for product annoucenements just yet.

I'd go for an ATX PSU. The volume isn't that bad and you could always mount it vertically to decrease width. SFX PSUs require smaller noisier fans. There's no reason to rule out high-end cards IMO. What case width does a Accelero S1 require? You could do multiple case variants: one for half-height c...

Thank you, great review, as always. The whole point of Mini-ITX is small , but this one has the footprint of an ATX. It looks like a Lian Li, is it? mITX is about the size of the motherboard, not about the size of the case, so what's your point? The footprint of the M1 is 160 x 328mm, what ATX case...

washu wrote:Well that is a bit more than just a basic router then.

Yes, but what's your point?

Home routers that are unstable are caused by crappy hardware or not enough memory.

Are you saying crappy software can't be the cause?

IMO stock router firmwares generally suck. Stability is bad, feature set is weak, etc.
For example, most routers don't allow you to see who's consuming how much bandwidth.
Most don't support fair bandwidth sharing / scheduling.
And I just like having full control over the software.

One use case would be as a normal home router, another would be as a router shared by 16 students on a 25/25 line.

A 'normal' computer would work fine but I'd prefer to keep the cost (and complexity and size) down.

MikeC wrote: A class V AC/DC adapter is rated for maximum 87% efficiency (presumably at 50~70% of max load)

I understand, so why does nobody put such an adapter into a ATX PSU form factor?

and the Fractal is a low budget case, what i dont like is the small fans, either should work well with a low budget build. What small fans? The Core 1000 comes with a 120mm front fan. I've got two Core 1000s too (one with 2.6ghz Ivy Bridge dual core, other with 3 ghz Haswell dual core) and I run th...

What routers and NAS devices do support stock Linux?
OpenWRT is nice but stock Linux support (Debian for example) would be even nicer.

An inexpensive ITX board with CPU and multiple LAN boards would do the job as well.

80+ Gold isn't cutting corners IMO.
In what way is this one behind a quality external power source.?

as the 200W 80 Plus Gold unit inside is only a small step behind a quality external power source.

Why can't internal PSUs be as good as or better than external ones?

romsyam wrote: I have

No HDD? No GPU?
The CPU isn't ideal as it consumes a lot of power, something like an Intel Pentium G3220 might've been a better choice. Maybe it still is.

kufi wrote:plus I want it to support 12 USB devices (2 and 3).

How are you using that many USB devices / ports?

Why do they only include one front USB3 port? Doesn't the mobo header support two ports?

An i5 and GTX 660 aren't that high-power, so getting it quiet shouldn't be too difficult.
How quiet should it be? Should it also be quiet at full load or is quiet at semi-idle load enough?

Will you use HDDs?

takeawaydave wrote: CPU 2 x Xeon X5660
MB Supermicro X8DTL-6F
RAM 4 x SAMSUNG 8GB REG ECC MEMORY

Those Xeons have 3 memory channels per CPU...

30.2 litres - SilverStone TJ08-E (Micro-ATX) 23.0 litres - SilverStone SG09/SG10 (Micro-ATX) 21.4 litres - SilverStone GD04/GD05 (Micro-ATX) 19.6 litres - Fractal Design Node 304 (Mini-ITX) 11.7 litres - Lian Li PC-Q07 (Mini-ITX) 11.1 Litres - SilverStone SG06 (Mini-ITX) Hi SST Guy, Does SilverSton...