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Lab reviews: Fan Controllers + Hard Disks

Post by ez2remember » Sun Nov 23, 2003 2:51 pm

Hitachi Deskstar 7K250
Samsung SpinPoint P80
Western Digital WD1600JB
Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9
Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 (ST3160021A)
Western Digital WD1200JD

Akasa Fan Control Pro
Cooler Master Aerogate II
Mac Power Digital Doc 5
Cooler Master Musketeer
Thermaltake HardCano 9
Enermax UC-A3FATR2
IOSS RD2 Pro

http://www.custompc.co.uk
From the pull-down menu 'Reviews>labs'.

Need I say more? :wink:

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Post by Bluefront » Sun Nov 23, 2003 4:56 pm

That is the worst website I ever visited....full of pop-ups, spyware, strange cookies, and wants you to register to read more than a few minutes. Oh sure...I'll do that.

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Post by ez2remember » Sun Nov 23, 2003 5:00 pm

Strange I get none of what you are describing... Spyware? Pop-ups? I get none, but you do have to register or simply type in my name. It does not require a password...

Sorry it caused you so much bother.

Maybe because I am registered and it automatically logs me on everytime I visit, so it does not bother me. Can someone else confirm what Bluefront is experiencing?

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Post by Bluefront » Sun Nov 23, 2003 5:44 pm

Not your fault. It installed two different spyware cookies. Also it did something so I cannot visit the site without the registration page popping up....wierd.

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Post by Rusty075 » Sun Nov 23, 2003 7:23 pm

No pop-ups for me (Firebird) but plenty of spam generating and information gathering cookies. (I stopped counting the cookie attempts at 15)

The cookies are for a couple of the big spam houses: vibrantmedia and bluestreak.

register if you'd like, but I definitely wouldn't give them any real info.

(As for the reviews, never got to them, I'm sure they're lovely)

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Post by canthearyou » Tue Nov 25, 2003 8:20 am

When I go back, the admonition to join does not reappear when I go forward to a new article. Horrible frames, busy design, left menu unreadable in Opera.

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Post by Trip » Tue Nov 25, 2003 10:33 am

ez2remember, could you post what the general results of the HDD review? like just which is given the highest rating.

Thanks man.

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Post by ez2remember » Tue Nov 25, 2003 4:23 pm

Trip wrote:ez2remember, could you post what the general results of the HDD review? like just which is given the highest rating.

Thanks man.
It's strictly in the order I pasted it above.

The Hitacthi gets 6/6 stars..

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"Hitachi Deskstar 7K250

VERDICT: Stunning performance at a sensible price

Hitachi bought IBM's storage division over a year ago and the 7K250 is the first disk to be launched under the Hitachi brand, albeit retaining the IBM's original Deskstar name. Hitachi is slightly cagey about the similarities between the 7K250 and the Deskstar 180GXP - the brochure states that both new and proven technologies have been used. But from the searing benchmark results we saw there have definitely been some major changes inside the shiny metal shell.

We tested the 160GB EIDE version, but S-ATA 7K250s are also on offer. Each platter holds 80GB of data - par for the course these days - and seek time is rated at 8.5ms, just like the 180GXP. Fortunately, Hitachi wisely provides an 8MB memory buffer to speed up disk-to-host transfers.

Average access time, according to Intel's IPEAK Disk Analyser, was just 11.85ms - the fastest we've ever seen from a 7,200rpm disk. This equates to an average seek time of a blistering 7.68ms - significantly faster than Hitachi claims. Sequential transfer rates were similarly impressive. Outer zones were clocked at 58.4MB/sec while inner zones remained quicker than every other disk - except the identically performing Maxtor - at 37.1MB/sec. But, those quicker outer zones meant the 7K250 averaged exactly 50MB/sec - faster than both the Maxtor and WD1600JB.

The 7K250 blew everything else away in Paint Shop Pro, finishing almost seven minutes before the second-placed Samsung. Setting up a RAID 0 with two disks cut another six minutes and ten seconds off, making Hitachi top cat once again, although the Maxtor is frighteningly close behind.

But the 7K250 has plenty of other tricks up its sleeve - one of which is the silent running. You'll barely know the 7K250 is there, even when seeking, thanks to the fluid dynamic bearings and other noise-reducing technologies.

The price might not be quite as competitive as Samsung's 60p per GB, but at 67p, the 7K250 certainly won't break the bank. Anyhow, the extra performance is well worth the extra pennies."

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Samsung SpinPoint P80 (5/6 stars)

VERDICT: Great speed, great value and whisper-quiet operation

Samsung might not be the first name to pop into your head where hard disks are concerned, so be prepared to challenge your prejudices. Samsung hard disks of old were slow beasts, since it appears that the majority of the R&D budget was spent on making them whisper-quiet. Now the firm has cracked that nut and is back in the performance race with a range that rivals the best of them.

The P80 is available, like all the other disks on test, in both EIDE and S-ATA guises. Here, we test the 160GB EIDE model with 2MB of cache, but an 8MB version is also available. 2MB sounds a bit limp these days, and with a claimed seek time of 8.9ms we weren't expecting the turn of speed that this disk showed us.

While other disks failed to meet their quoted seek times, the P80 was right there with 9ms, just 0.1ms off Samsung's time. However, both the Hitachi and WD1600JB were quicker. Sequential transfer rates might have been slower than others, but this measure of speed is only really important if you're an avid video editor or need to regularly move massive files around.

The outer cylinders returned 53.5MB/sec while inner cylinders dropped off to just 28.4MB/sec. Average sequential transfer rates finished at exactly 45MB/sec, which is still a decent pace.

Thankfully, Paint Shop Pro showed the benefit of the quick seek time, completing in just under an hour - the second fastest on show. Once we'd added a second SP1604N into the mix, the benchmark took only 47 minutes and 18 seconds - just 12 seconds adrift of the Hitachi RAID.

On top of this, Samsung's NoiseGuard and SilentSeek technologies work together brilliantly to create one of the quietest disks we've ever (not) heard. Even without the automatic acoustic management enabled, we couldn't hear the disk seeking inside the test rig.

Our only reservation about the P80 is its availability. You'll be hard-pushed to buy one in the UK, although Simply had stock when we went to press. For value though, the P80 can't be beaten so if you can't afford the Hitachi, grab one (or better still two) of these while you can."

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Western Digital WD1600JB (4/6) Noisiest on test, fairly quick
Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 (4/6) Noisy seeks, fairly quick
Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 (ST3160021A) (3/6) very quiet, slow performance
Western Digital WD1200JD (3/6) not quiet, average performer

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Post by silvervarg » Wed Nov 26, 2003 1:26 am

They compare a Hitachi Deskstar (fromerly known as IBM Deathstar) 160GB 8MB cache with....
Samsung P80 160GB 2MB cache. "an 8MB version is also avialable"

So why not test the harddrives that should be comparable?
Is it just me or do the word "bribe" enter the mind of anyone else?

The conclusion is that they have a very strange way to compare the drives...
For good harddrive comparisons I will keep looking a www.storagereview.com

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Post by ez2remember » Wed Nov 26, 2003 3:21 am

Yes, ideally you want to compare all drives with 8mb cache, but you can only review what you have been supplied sometimes. When it went into their labs the 8mb cache model was not that easy to get hold of in the UK.

StorageReview is an excellent site. I have read tons of reviews there too. But as a backup and to see it from a different prospective, I like reading reviews from other sites too.

There is no bribe towards Hitachi/IBM and you will find more or less the same info at StorageReview/Other sites. The new Hitachi drive is a super performer, but no way as quiet as the Samsung. IMO the Samsung had a very favourable review.

5/6 stars is not bad at all, infact it won an award!

I think many opinions about the IBM Deskstar or Deathstar is unjustified. It has been a long time since 60GXP/75GXP? I have read no complaints about IBM HDs of late.

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Post by silvervarg » Wed Nov 26, 2003 3:54 am

I agree that you have a point that it is better to test the 2MB cache drive than not testing the drive at all.
Perhaps there was a lot more to read in the full review as well, but I couldn't get to it (I refuse to register).

Since I value noise a lot more that getting the last bits of performance I would probably go for the Samsung. At the moment I run Seagate drives, and they are known to be about the same noise level as the Samsung but Seagate has worse performance numbers.
If I got a new drive today I would probably be a Samsung. When it becomes slightly more affordable I might go for a solid state drives instead.

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Post by Gooserider » Sun Nov 30, 2003 9:01 pm

ez2remember:
Akasa Fan Control Pro
Thermaltake HardCano 9
Enermax UC-A3FATR2
IOSS RD2 Pro
I seem to remember that the site was a bear for me as well, heavy cookie storms, hard to get to anything. Something has also gotten me onto lots of spam lists in the past few weeks, heavy on Nigerians, Lotteries, organ enlargements / viagra (girlfriend says I don't need either :D ) and other stuff. Don't know if it was this site, but...

I didn't recognize all the fan controllers you mentioned however. Are any of the ones above units that (at a minimum) provide thermal sensor driven speed control, as opposed to the evil knob-job style?

(Ideally something like the controller our former user Dutch2 was building?)

Optimal IMHO would be something with a readout like a Digital Doc 5, but with variable thermal control rather than the DD5's on/off switching. I want something that is mobo / OS independent other than possibly configuration, and if it does need to talk to the mobo, it must be Linux compatible. (Innovatek had a unit that looked nice, but I couldn't get any useful english info on it, and it apparently didn't have a Linux compatible option...)

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Post by pangit » Mon Dec 01, 2003 3:36 am

This is the same site/magazine that published an article on PC silencing a couple of months ago, that I mentioned at the time. It's now available on-line here

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