Ok how about this crazy idea with tap water
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Ok how about this crazy idea with tap water
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Just one of those ideas that has occured to me at like 3 in the morning lol
anyways what would happen if i used a powerful enough pump, to pump normal tap water from my sink through my system and back into the sink (as waste)
the way i see it is.... yeah tap water aint great for corrosion and stuff but not that much bacteria as the water is constantly new and always super duper cold....well from my sink anyways and like the cpu block and stuff will constantly be getting cold water not the pre-heated stuff that we get in our res's also it will have the minimum of noise and we dont need to worry too much of adding more stuff to the loop as the water doesnt get hot.
what o u guys say?
ps. as its early in the morning this may be a crazy idea...im just writing it down on here as it comes to me lol
Just one of those ideas that has occured to me at like 3 in the morning lol
anyways what would happen if i used a powerful enough pump, to pump normal tap water from my sink through my system and back into the sink (as waste)
the way i see it is.... yeah tap water aint great for corrosion and stuff but not that much bacteria as the water is constantly new and always super duper cold....well from my sink anyways and like the cpu block and stuff will constantly be getting cold water not the pre-heated stuff that we get in our res's also it will have the minimum of noise and we dont need to worry too much of adding more stuff to the loop as the water doesnt get hot.
what o u guys say?
ps. as its early in the morning this may be a crazy idea...im just writing it down on here as it comes to me lol
Its hugely wasteful of water. So much so that cooling loops like that are actually illegal in some countries.
Besides environmental impact, there's the cost: my local water cost is about $3 per 1000gal, pretty typical. Assuming a typical flowrate of 1gpm, you would waste 43200 gallons per month, for a total of $129.60
And then there's the problem of condensation. Since your tap water will be cold, it will likely be below the dew point, at least part of the year. Condensation will collect on the metal parts of your loop; WB's, fittings, pump, etc. And that water will collect, and drip, with some of it landing on things inside your PC you'd rather not get wet.
I think you need to go to bed earlier.
Besides environmental impact, there's the cost: my local water cost is about $3 per 1000gal, pretty typical. Assuming a typical flowrate of 1gpm, you would waste 43200 gallons per month, for a total of $129.60
And then there's the problem of condensation. Since your tap water will be cold, it will likely be below the dew point, at least part of the year. Condensation will collect on the metal parts of your loop; WB's, fittings, pump, etc. And that water will collect, and drip, with some of it landing on things inside your PC you'd rather not get wet.
I think you need to go to bed earlier.
oh and its not a total waste anyways as... i can just put it back into my houses loop again so that the water will then goto the boiler to heat up the radiators in my home as if it were normal cold water from the normal supply.
all it will be will be a loop out of my house water supply into my system and back out and then back into my house loop
if u get me...
here is what i mean
Water from mains>>>>> goes into the boiler>>>>>thus is used as hot water for showes and radiators throughout the house...
all im gonna do is from the mains pipe it to my PC then back into me boiler
all it will be will be a loop out of my house water supply into my system and back out and then back into my house loop
if u get me...
here is what i mean
Water from mains>>>>> goes into the boiler>>>>>thus is used as hot water for showes and radiators throughout the house...
all im gonna do is from the mains pipe it to my PC then back into me boiler
ChucuSCAD wrote:I am going to have to agree with rusty on this one. It is a horrible waste of water.
Those rads are a closed loop system.Irdawood wrote:here in the UK we use radiators to warm our homes 24/7 no one moans about that anyways....
chucuSCAD
ahh right ok mate didnt know that
hmmm
trying to think how else i could work it without it being such a waste
the cost of water here is like the same regardless of usage, as if u think about it all we are doing is paying for the water to be filtered
but anyways i just need to know if the actual concept will work
cheers people
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Go back to the first post of Rusty075 in this thread. Then ignore the waste and cost comments you don't seem to care about. That leaves the condensation problem. With the relative high humidity in the UK that is a real problem.Irdawood wrote:but anyways i just need to know if the actual concept will work
I've lived in the basement appartment of a block of student housing. The water mains of the whole block ran along the ceiling of our hallway. It dripped condensed water for almost half of the year.
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Depending on your location, I've read that 'open' cooling systems such as you describe may be illegal in some areas/states. It is hugely wasteful, unless you're pumping your own water from your own well. Why do you think they made low-flow toilets the law in some states, because most local water supplies are stretched to their limits on how much water they can treat.
The best (ok, maybe off-the-wall) ideas I'd heard was mounting a rad IN the tank of your toilet, so it has a semi-regular supply of fresh cold water. You're not wasting water, so much as you're warming it before you use it for flushing...
The best (ok, maybe off-the-wall) ideas I'd heard was mounting a rad IN the tank of your toilet, so it has a semi-regular supply of fresh cold water. You're not wasting water, so much as you're warming it before you use it for flushing...
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OMG wooglin, i just had to see the toilet setup you mentioned.
http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php? ... did=205289
wow. just, wow. i'm not in to watercooling (though i like to see the end results), but my hat is off to that guy.
though i have seen more extreme... some guy used a huge old water tank and buried it 6+ feet in his backyard to take advantage of the year-round cool temps of soil at that depth. pretty smart, but you have to run pipe out to your backyard. and if you ever move it might be hard to explain to prospective buyers.
http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php? ... did=205289
wow. just, wow. i'm not in to watercooling (though i like to see the end results), but my hat is off to that guy.
though i have seen more extreme... some guy used a huge old water tank and buried it 6+ feet in his backyard to take advantage of the year-round cool temps of soil at that depth. pretty smart, but you have to run pipe out to your backyard. and if you ever move it might be hard to explain to prospective buyers.
flyingsherpa must be thinking of Bladerunner's "Bomb". Quite the piece of work.
is it possible to lets say take the water from the mains (in the way of the tap) and then join it back onto the mains? that way u are constantly getting fresh water as your home will use water from the mains and less waste.
Im not sure if the idea of joining it back onto the mains is possible tho
also i cant have the water going into my hot or cold water tank as i dont have a tank in my home all my water comes direct from the mains
Im not sure if the idea of joining it back onto the mains is possible tho
also i cant have the water going into my hot or cold water tank as i dont have a tank in my home all my water comes direct from the mains
There are water-to-water heat exchangers, but they're pretty expensive and require that the water be running.
You don't have a tank, but what about a water closet? Why not just put a coil of copper tubing in the bottom of the closet? No tap water running through your waterblocks. Flush for lower temps. Might work out just perfectly if you make a point of drinking some kind of beverage when you play games
You're still going to have condensation problems, though
You don't have a tank, but what about a water closet? Why not just put a coil of copper tubing in the bottom of the closet? No tap water running through your waterblocks. Flush for lower temps. Might work out just perfectly if you make a point of drinking some kind of beverage when you play games
You're still going to have condensation problems, though
If you know how or are willing to pay to have it done properly, sure. My house currently keeps an entire room (say 5x15x8 feet) cold this way, all the cold water coming into the house goes through an enormous passive radiator first. Would be kind of hard to use this for PC cooling though, it'd be nearly impossible to maintain a consistent flow without wasting water, condensation would be a problem as tap water is normally around 4C, and you'd want some sort of way of reducing the pressure. No reason you'd need a pump, unless you live somewhere with horrible public water supplies (southern USA), and you wouldn't want to be running that kind of water through expensive blocks etc anyways.
NB: Still wouldn't condone an open loop with the water just dumped out at the end, but if you managed to work out some kind of high-pressure, ultra-low-flow loop, it'd only take about 0.05GPM to cool a 300W machine better than nearly any regular closed loop with air-cooled rads. Most regular wc considerations go out the window when the water cools itself.
NB: Still wouldn't condone an open loop with the water just dumped out at the end, but if you managed to work out some kind of high-pressure, ultra-low-flow loop, it'd only take about 0.05GPM to cool a 300W machine better than nearly any regular closed loop with air-cooled rads. Most regular wc considerations go out the window when the water cools itself.