Intel D201GLY: cheap, low power mini-ITX

dougz · Post by **dougz** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:27 pm

I want to run this board with a low profile fx5200 pci card, what kinda psu and case

Three suggestions --
- Read this forum from the start, and then ask questions. Lots of info.
- Check http://www.logicsupply.com/search?searc ... =12&page=1
- Google for other discussions about the board

Master One · Post by **Master One** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:37 pm

Look what I have just found on the net:

On 21 October Intel company will present new processor for use in mini-ITX motherboards . It is known to us by the name Celeron 220 (1.2 GHz). This processor has the lower frequency and equal cache volume in the second level (512 KB) , this processor has lower TDP in comparison with preceding celeron 215 (1.33 GHz).

We succeeded in learning, that this nonconformity is caused by the passage of processor to Conroe- L core. Let us recall that Celeron 215 (1.33 GHz) was based on mobile core yonah, and it do not support 64-bit expansions. The TDP level of this processor was equal to 27 W. Passage to the desktop core Conroe- L will allow not only the 64- bit expansions support , but also will lower level TDP to 19 W. It is understandable that increase in speed will occur, in spite of reduction in the frequency from 1.33 GHz to 1.2 GHz.

The processor celeron 220 (1.2 GHz) will be more expensive than its predecessor by four dollars, since its wholesale price is equal to $58. If we considers that this processor will be used in intel D201GLY2 motherboard on base of chipset SiS 662, whose retail price will not exceed $90-100 (cost of processor is included on), addition in price can distress potential buyers. However, increase in speed and 64-bit applications compensate in certain degree the price increase .

So it's faster, nevertheless the lower clock, it consumes a lot less power (we already knew that), and it has the 64bit extensions allowing the use of a x86_64 Linux distribution!

I'd say that's pretty amazing, and I can't await to assemble my first system using that board.

Now if they only would take care of a proper Linux graphics driver, and fix the BIOS to enable the use of a dual-slot PCI riser-card, that board would just be perfect!

jessekopelman · Post by **jessekopelman** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:27 am

Master One wrote:Now if they only would take care of a proper Linux graphics driver, and fix the BIOS to enable the use of a dual-slot PCI riser-card, that board would just be perfect!

In other words, replace that crappy SiS 662 chipset. I wonder why that didn't just go with their own 915GM chipset, which would have been a vast enough improvement not to hurt sales even if it added a few bucks to the price. I wonder if the SiS chipset is do to some sort of legal settlement that resulted in them having a few million chipsets to try and pawn off.

sea2stars · Post by **sea2stars** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:24 am

Hah. If Intel used their own chipset, the homebrew Mac crowd would love to build a cheap Hackintosh Mini with onboard graphics. Well.. if the new board's going to be faster, use less power and be passively cooled I might have a Dugly (D201GLY) to get rid of. Yeah.. it would be nice to have DRI and support for 2Gb of RAM. Then again, I've never seen DRI/3D used in Linux so I don't miss it!

nirvanaguy19 · Post by **nirvanaguy19** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:26 am

has anyone used these board with a pci video card, i know the sis chipset is not the best and since i want to run beryl, i am interested in using a nvidia video card that can support it, i know technically it should not be a problem, but just wanted to hear from anyone who had tried this

jmk · Post by **jmk** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:48 am

I just finished installing Ubuntu 7.10 and tried "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" (vesa installation) again. This time everything went smoothly, and have to assume that my previous problems with Ubuntu were caused by lack of knowledge.

At 1280x1024 things look nice so far. No Compiz Fusion 3D effects, but I'm not really disappointed. Looks like I'm keeping this installation.

Master One · Post by **Master One** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:44 am

sea2stars wrote:Yeah.. it would be nice to have DRI and support for 2Gb of RAM.

Although not officially mentioned in the tech specs from Intel, the D201GLY does support 2 GB RAM (I've seen a success report in German language somewhere).

sea2stars · Post by **sea2stars** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:43 pm

Hey. Good to know. I'll have to try and track that info down... or just buy another stick.

dougz · Post by **dougz** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:03 am

jmk: Thank you --

I just finished installing Ubuntu 7.10 and tried "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" (vesa installation) again. This time everything went smoothly...

Master One: Thank you --

Although not officially mentioned in the tech specs from Intel, the D201GLY does support 2 GB RAM (I've seen a success report in German language somewhere)...

Sounds like a very decent budget Linux system. With 2GB, I could load VMware Server and...

Seems kind of like AMD's DTX. Whatever our preconceptions (misconceptions?), these boards were intended for emerging markets rather than nerds, and cost was the primary consideration. That they are also useful for nerds is a bonus.

I'm an AMD fan, but if Intel produced a cheap socket socket 775/945 chipset board, I'd buy. For me. it's all about cost-effective low-power (quiet) computing.

sea2stars · Post by **sea2stars** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:23 am

Hey. Has anyone managed to get access to the sensor info on the board through Linux? I was playing around with a few of the available programs last night to no avail.

vanDivX · Post by **vanDivX** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:22 pm

Master One wrote:
sea2stars wrote:Yeah.. it would be nice to have DRI and support for 2Gb of RAM.
Although not officially mentioned in the tech specs from Intel, the D201GLY does support 2 GB RAM (I've seen a success report in German language somewhere).

looking for it I found on Czech forum (lang most of you can't read) that somebody plugged in 2GB stick of ECC Micron PC533 RAM (unregistered) two sided with 18 chips and he says it just worked

I bought the board this weekend as part of preassembled PC (normally I build my own) because I couldn't buy parts to build it myself at the price they were offering it (all rock bottom prices on everything)

only fault is the case is too big, I decided to buy anyway and not wait for the fanless model, installed lastXP16 on it and works like a charm for run of the mill computing, didn't test playing movies etc yet but believe it will hold up

it seems the fan is not really needed on the chip, its the north bridge that is heating noticably, don't think the chip would heat that much without fan, might give it a shot and see

vanDivX

Mr_J · Post by **Mr_J** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:18 am

sea2stars wrote:Hey. Has anyone managed to get access to the sensor info on the board through Linux? I was playing around with a few of the available programs last night to no avail.

Yes, I have it working with lm_sensors as w83627dhg-isa-0290. Gives me all the voltage, temp and my case fan RPM

derekva · Post by **derekva** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:18 am

So when is the D201GLY2 releasing? I haven't seen any new news...

And why on earth couldn't they have spent the extra $1.25 (or whatever it costs) to add 1Gb LAN support? Then this would be perfect for a low-powered server!

-D

derekva · Post by **derekva** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:36 am

Found a photo:

Pretty.

All you need is (2) 1TB SATA drives, 1GB of DDR2-533 and a PCI 1Gb NIC adapter (and a case and PSU, natch) and you have a perfect Windows Home Server.

Or Linux server if that's the way you roll.

-D

Master One · Post by **Master One** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:34 pm

derekva wrote:So when is the D201GLY2 releasing? I haven't seen any new news...

Latest distributor info tells 8th November (but may be delayed again, like it happened already a few times for a few days each).

hans007 · Post by **hans007** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:18 pm

derekva wrote:So when is the D201GLY2 releasing? I haven't seen any new news...

And why on earth couldn't they have spent the extra $1.25 (or whatever it costs) to add 1Gb LAN support? Then this would be perfect for a low-powered server!

-D

well the board is more designed for developing nations, and POS terminals and such, so gigabit im sure wasnt there main concern. its probably $2-3 more cost .

zcream · Post by **zcream** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:28 pm

Does anyone know if using the 64-bit bit extensions with the Celeron 1.2Ghz on D201GLY2 gives any improvement on performance.. I was thinking on using it for JPEG compression - and obviously going to 64-bit from 32-bit is a help..

Zig · Post by **Zig** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:12 am

Master One wrote:
derekva wrote:So when is the D201GLY2 releasing? I haven't seen any new news...
Latest distributor info tells 8th November (but may be delayed again, like it happened already a few times for a few days each).

It's already available, at least in Europe ; found it yesterday on eBay (CarTFT, German reseller), ordered it at 2PM, and got it today by UPS (in France) around 1:30PM (yes, less than 24 hours, and 2 different countries, that's excellent).

Will replace my D201GLY by this new board in the Morex 3777 at the end of the day, will plug a (new) SATA drive, and try Debian 64 (currently running Debian Testing - 32 bits of course - on the D201GLY).

Master One · Post by **Master One** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:43 am

That's great news!

Can you please check, what the total hight of the board including the cpu cooler is (and also provide that info for the D201GLY)?

Because that's something I could not find in the available docs.

Zig · Post by **Zig** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:53 am

Master One wrote:That's great news!

Can you please check, what the total hight of the board including the cpu cooler is (and also provide that info for the D201GLY)?

Because that's something I could not find in the available docs.

Sure, here it is :

D201GLY2 : 46 mm including the CPU cooler (and of course including the motherboard)

D201GLY : 47 mm (!) : 44 mm including the CPU cooler + FAN, but also 3 mm for the 4 (big) screws at the top to fix the fan to the CPU cooler

vincentfox · Post by **vincentfox** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:26 pm

I did a search on Ebay for seller cartft, or for d201gly2 and came up with nothing. What might I be doing wrong?

Master One · Post by **Master One** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:10 am

Zig wrote:D201GLY2 : 46 mm including the CPU cooler (and of course including the motherboard)
D201GLY : 47 mm (!) : 44 mm including the CPU cooler + FAN, but also 3 mm for the 4 (big) screws at the top to fix the fan to the CPU cooler

Wow, didn't expect that! On the tiny pictures from the Intel Product Matrix I was quite sure, that the cooler of the D201GLY2 was slightly larger than the cooler+fan on the D201GLY, so that's absolutely great.

vincentfox wrote:I did a search on Ebay for seller cartft, or for d201gly2 and came up with nothing. What might I be doing wrong?

That retailer is from Germany, so he may not show up on your â‚¬bay searches, if you are outside of the EU. On the other hand, I would rather wait a little longer, as it it quite likely that that retailer is actually not offering from a product batch intended for Europe, because our official Intel distributor just revised the release date to 16th November, which may cause troubles in case of a warranty matter (normally there are 36 months limited warranty on that product, if it is not an OEM version).

zig, did you get the boxed version from that German retailer, and does it indeed show "BOXD201GLY2" as product code?

Zig · Post by **Zig** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:33 am

Master One wrote:
Zig wrote:zig, did you get the boxed version from that German retailer, and does it indeed show "BOXD201GLY2" as product code?

Yes, the box is blue, the "BOXD201GLY2" reference is on a sticker on the right side, and the "Three year limited Desktop Board Warranty" is shown on each side

I've uploaded some pictures here : http://debx.free.fr/img/d201gly2/ (installed in a Morex 3777 case, with an D-Link DGE-530T gigabit card and a Samsung SATA 500GB drive)

Zig · Post by **Zig** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:04 am

vincentfox wrote:I did a search on Ebay for seller cartft, or for d201gly2 and came up with nothing.

Try here : http://stores.ebay.de/CarTFT-com-Outlet ; they also have their own web site http://www.cartft.com/ but the D201GLY2 is cheaper on their eBay shop (don't ask me why)

Zig · Post by **Zig** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:17 am

Master One wrote: I was quite sure, that the cooler of the D201GLY2 was slightly larger than the cooler+fan on the D201GLY, so that's absolutely great.
?

Indeed the two coolers (CPU and chipset) are LARGER (WxD), but the height is almost the same compared to the D201GLY Cooler + FAN (at least if you keep the original screws on the D201GLY fan).

FYI, cat /proc/cpuinfo on D201GLY2 :

minixian:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 22
model name : Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 220 @ 1.20GHz
stepping : 1
cpu MHz : 1200.107
cache size : 512 KB
fdiv_bug : no
hlt_bug : no
f00f_bug : no
coma_bug : no
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 10
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc up pni monitor ds_cpl tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr lahf_lm
bogomips : 2401.82
clflush size : 64

Bogomips is a little bit lower compared to D201GLY (was 2668) :

processor Â Â Â : 0
vendor_id Â Â Â : GenuineIntel
cpu family Â Â Â : 6
model Â Â Â Â Â : 14
model name Â Â Â : Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU Â Â Â Â Â 215 Â @ 1.33GHz
stepping Â Â Â Â : 8
cpu MHz Â Â Â Â : 1333.459
cache size Â Â Â : 512 KB
fdiv_bug Â Â Â Â : no
hlt_bug Â Â Â Â : no
f00f_bug Â Â Â Â : no
coma_bug Â Â Â Â : no
fpu Â Â Â Â Â Â : yes
fpu_exception Â : yes
cpuid level Â Â : 10
wp Â Â Â Â Â Â Â : yes
flags Â Â Â Â Â : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss tm pbe nx constant_tsc up pni monitor tm2 xtpr
bogomips Â Â Â Â : 2668.57
clflush size Â Â : 64

At last, here is the lspci result on the D201GLY2 (the D-LINK is of course _not_ onboard, it's my PCI card)

minixian:~# lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Unknown device 0662 (rev 01)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS AGP Port (virtual PCI-to-PCI bridge)
00:02.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS964 [MuTIOL Media IO] (rev 36)
00:02.5 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE] (rev 01)
00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 Sound Controller (rev a0)
00:03.0 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 0f)
00:03.1 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 0f)
00:03.2 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 0f)
00:03.3 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 2.0 Controller
00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet (rev 91)
00:05.0 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SATA (rev 01)
00:06.0 Ethernet controller: D-Link System Inc DGE-530T Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (rev 11) (rev 11)
00:1f.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] PCI-to-PCI bridge
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661/741/760/761 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter (rev 04)

sea2stars · Post by **sea2stars** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 6:38 am

Sweet. Although I guess that I can wait a few more weeks for this board; about time I made a backup server for my main HTPC rig.

Hey Zig, if you'd like to get rid of that IDE cable once and for all, I can highly recommend either one of these.

theMAGE · Post by **theMAGE** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:24 am

Zig wrote: Will replace my D201GLY by this new board in the Morex 3777 at the end of the day, will plug a (new) SATA drive, and try Debian 64 (currently running Debian Testing - 32 bits of course - on the D201GLY).

How noisy is the fan in the Morex 3777 case?

Zig · Post by **Zig** » Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:07 am

theMAGE wrote:How noisy is the fan in the Morex 3777 case?

I can hear it. It's not very noisy, but not very silent neither. However, before I replace the Samsung ATA drive by the SATA T166, the most thing making noise was the drive, no doubt on this. The T166 is much more silent, especially in idle mode.

Case Fan: 3308 RPM (min = 1406 RPM, div = '8')
Sys Temp: +43Â°C (high = +64Â°C, hyst = +74Â°C)
CPU Temp: +52.5Â°C (high = +110.0Â°C, hyst = +75.0Â°C)
AUX Temp: +23.5Â°C (high = +80.0Â°C, hyst = +75.0Â°C)

minixian:~# hddtemp /dev/sda
/dev/sda: SAMSUNG HD501LJ: 36Â°C

May be I'll try to reduce the speed of the morex FAN (I still have some adapters for that), but I'm not sure ; please be advised that even if pictures on Morex website show two case FANs for the 3777, mine was shipped with one only (description on MitXPC eBay shop where I bought mine was correct : http://cgi.ebay.fr/Morex-3777-Mini-ITX- ... dZViewItem)

I'm quiet happy with the result in terms of noise, and with the performance as well (without _any_ optimization (apt-get install samba, nothing more), was able to transfer a 5GB file from my workstation to this little box at 47 MB/second yesterday, with an average 27% idle on the D201GLY2 -> the D-LINK Gigabit card works like a charm with Linux, and I did not take time to play with Jumbo Frames).

Zig · Post by **Zig** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:15 am

Zig wrote:not very silent neither

Made more tests, the "fan noise" does not come from the FAN itself, but is due to the (too) small holes in the case (air makes noise going thru these small holes).

Have reduced the FAN speed from 3300 to 2300 RPM, and after 30 minutes of rsync copying tens of Gig from internal HDD to USB disk, temperatures are as follows :

Case Fan: 2311 RPM (min = 1406 RPM, div = 8 )
CPU Fan: 0 RPM (min = 10546 RPM, div = 128) ALARM
Aux Fan: 0 RPM (min = 10546 RPM, div = 128) ALARM
fan4: 0 RPM (min = 10546 RPM, div = 128) ALARM
Sys Temp: +56Â°C (high = +64Â°C, hyst = +74Â°C)
CPU Temp: +86.0Â°C (high = +110.0Â°C, hyst = +75.0Â°C)
AUX Temp: +17.0Â°C (high = +80.0Â°C, hyst = +75.0Â°C)

(rsync still running)

Master One · Post by **Master One** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:08 am

I really would like to know, if the integrated graphics of the D201GLY2 can be run at 1920x1200 on a LCD screen under Linux.

Zig, I do not assume, you tested this board with latest Ubuntu Gutsy?

If the SiS Mirage*1 can do with either the SiS binary driver, or the latest Xorg driver, I wouldn't need an addon graphics card, which means I could choose a fanless thin-client case (a really small one, without PCI- & CDROM-slot).

Intel D201GLY: cheap, low power mini-ITX

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