Gigabyte GA-EG31M-S2 or GA-G31M-ES2L?

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Which cheap microATX intel Motherboard to try next?

Gigabyte GA-EG31M-S2
1
8%
Gigabyte GA-G31M-ES2L
6
50%
Biostar G31-M7G DVI
2
17%
Biostar G31-M7 TE
1
8%
ASUS P5KPL-AM/PS
1
8%
Other motherboard (please specify)
1
8%
 
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Gigabyte GA-EG31M-S2 or GA-G31M-ES2L?

Post by QuietOC » Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:00 am

Currently have:
TUL TG31-M1 (aka Foxconn G31MX-K)
3 phase VRM
ALC662/8111B

Can overclock to 250x12.5 = 3.125GHz without modification. Lacks ability to lower multiplier on the E5200 in BIOS. Lacks CPU voltages below 1.125V--getting about 50W at idle. :(

GA-EG31M-S2
4 phase VRM - Dynamic Energy Saver (= 2 phase idle)
ALC888/8111C
$61.96

This should be the best option except that a lot of people seem to be having trouble with overclocking the E5200 with this motherboard.

GA-G31M-ES2L
3 phase VRM - Easy Energy Saver
ALC883/8111C
$63.96

Both Gigabyte motherboards boot E5200 at low multipliers.

Biostar G31-M7G DVI
3 phase VRM
ALC662/8111C
$56.99 free shipping
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Post by QuietOC » Mon Dec 22, 2008 12:08 pm

I leaning towards the GA-G31M-ES2L. I do wish there was a free shipping discount on it or something similar--I guess I have to pay for quality. I did have a GA-G31M-S2L (no E) that I bought for $42 back in July, and it was a very decent motherboard (at least with a E7200.)

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Post by Greg F. » Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:57 pm

http://www.rebelshavenforum.com/sis-bin ... 000189;p=1

this is the thread for OCing the Biostar G31 A7 at Rebelshaven.com
I suppose you have seen this. These are are neat little boards for not a lot of money.

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Post by jamesbundy » Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:00 pm

I've had a Gigabyte GA-EG31M-S2 for a while in my main rig and it was an absolutely trouble-free board.

Very basic in the output department (no DVI, HDMI, SPDIF), so definitely not HTPC material unless you pair it with a discrete graphics card and sound card.

Solid bios and overclocking options (E2160 @ 3.2Ghz, Q9400 @ 3.2Ghz).

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Post by QuietOC » Mon Dec 22, 2008 4:37 pm

This would be for my "high power' gaming system--currently running a Geforce 9600GSO. I won't be using the GMA 3100. I might run OSX on it, which would be easier with ALC888/882. The GA-G31M-S2L booted OSX without issue.

I have no interest in ATX motherboards like the Biostar TForce TG31-A7 (I just sold my Abit IP35-E.) I don't know why Biostar made this Tforce ATX. The S754 Tforce 6100 was the best motherboard I have had.

I expect to run the E5200 at 3.6 to 4.0GHz. Ideally at 1600 FSB with DDR2 800. Hopefully a nice upgrade over my old 3.2GHz E2140.

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Post by QuietOC » Mon Dec 22, 2008 5:03 pm

jamesbundy wrote:I've had a Gigabyte GA-EG31M-S2 for a while in my main rig and it was an absolutely trouble-free board.
Newegg Reviews of GA-EG31M-S2 wrote:Cons: Can't OC the E5200 I bought. (Although the CPU is perfectly fine at stock settings)

Cons: I decided play around with this board to see how well it'd OC an e5200. I was met with an immediate restart and automatic CMOS reset whenever I set the FSB higher than 206. I spent around and hour or so fiddling with settings, even updating the bios to no avail.

On the bright side, I was able to OC using setFSB. I got up to 2.9ghz stable on stock volts, but it'd never stick after rebooting.
These comments sound pretty bad. My cheap TUL motherboard can do 3.1GHz using the BIOS. I think beyond that is probably just FSB strap issue (the E2140 acted similarly on everything except the Abit motherboard.)

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Post by QuietOC » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:43 am

I ordered the GA-G31M-ES2L for $57.25 with free shipping from Buy.com. I will probably have plenty of time to try to get the TUL motherboard working better before I see the Gigabyte.

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Post by Ksanderash » Wed Dec 24, 2008 1:12 am

QuietOC wrote: I will probably have plenty of time to try to get the TUL motherboard working better before I see the Gigabyte.
We will wait for your feedback on Gigabyte. Looks like the favorite G31 board, if it realy has EIST under OC working and the 3-pin fan control.

P.S. People call these "office boards", but they are so SPCR... ;)

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Post by ex.treme » Wed Dec 24, 2008 3:05 pm

Hi!
I have EG312MF-S2. I tried OC 5200 to 3Ghz-240fsb with no problems at bios. Eist works fine. I have stock box cooler because i don't need now high cpu performance (oc)
Cpu voltage at 2.5 Ghz was set to 1.000v at bios.

Consumption with X3100 is about 45w at idle, with HD4670 53w at idle without Energy saver tool.

When i picked which mb set, i better spent 10 Eur more for top model of Gigabyte.

Share with your experiences with new mobo.

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Post by QuietOC » Wed Dec 24, 2008 7:16 pm

I already recieved the motherboard from Buy.com. The free shipping took just one day just before Christmas!

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Post by QuietOC » Thu Dec 25, 2008 7:32 pm

I ran some tests with the TUL motherboard before swapping it for the Gigabyte.

1.2GHz @ 1.184V Idle 51.5W
1.6GHz @ 1.184V Idle 52W
2.5GHz @ 1.248V Orthos 82W
3.12GHz @ 1.232V Orthos 90W
3.25GHz @ 1.280V Orthos 93W
3.34GHz @ 1.328V Orthos 99W

I got 12.5x267MHz = 3335MHz @ 1.325V working well enough to boot into Windows and run Orthos small FFT test just fine. However, the Orthos blend test would crash immediately. 12.5x260MHz = 3250MHz @ 1.280V worked just fine in all the Orthos tests. The memory was running underclocked at both settings. The motherboad sometimes would refuse to boot at ~266MHz.

With the Gigabyte board installed the E5200 booted to the BIOS at the 9X multiplier. I was able to get 6x333MHz = 2GHz to boot, but the memory was running DDR2 888 at this FSB setting with no option to reduce the divider to 1:1 ratio. So the Gigabyte motherboard doesn't seem to have a FSB wall, but I will still need to do the BSEL mod to get the 1:1 memory ratio.

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Post by maf718 » Fri Dec 26, 2008 1:54 pm

QuietOC wrote: With the Gigabyte board installed the E5200 booted to the BIOS at the 9X multiplier. I was able to get 6x333MHz = 2GHz to boot, but the memory was running DDR2 888 at this FSB setting with no option to reduce the divider to 1:1 ratio. So the Gigabyte motherboard doesn't seem to have a FSB wall, but I will still need to do the BSEL mod to get the 1:1 memory ratio.
Hi, does the BIOS of the G31 have any options for changing the memory multiplier at all? If it does it doesn't make sense that it doesn't allow 1:1. For my P35 (which I guess is the same family as the G31) you need to set the System Memory Multiplier to 2.00 to achieve a 1:1 ratio, which is not exactly intuitive.

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Post by QuietOC » Fri Dec 26, 2008 3:09 pm

maf718 wrote:Hi, does the BIOS of the G31 have any options for changing the memory multiplier at all? If it does it doesn't make sense that it doesn't allow 1:1. For my P35 (which I guess is the same family as the G31) you need to set the System Memory Multiplier to 2.00 to achieve a 1:1 ratio, which is not exactly intuitive.
Yes, all motherboards I've tried have at least offered 2:3 (DDR2 533), 3:5 (DDR2 667) and 1:2 (DDR2 800) ratios for 800 FSB CPUs. Only my Abit IP35-E offered 1:1 (DDR2 400) for those CPUs.

I did the BSEL mod to get the E5200 to boot at FSB 1066 (267MHz). What the BIOS now reported about clockspeeds was wrong, but it did give me 1:1 as the lowest memory ratio. I was able to boot up to 6x350MHz, but 6x355MHz didn't boot. The CPU should work fine a 6x400MHz = 2.4GHz is actually slower than the stock clockspeed (2.5GHz). I did notice that Gigabyte didn't mention FSB 1600 compatibility on the box, but they do claim support on their website.

I am pretty disappointed in the Gigabyte BIOS, but the ability to lower the CPU multiplier does make it more useful than the TUL/Foxconn.

Getting the BSEL mod to work was a real pain. I used some foil from a gum wrapper to jumper the CPU pads. I nearly thought it wasn't working when BIOS reported the wrong clockspeeds (like it though the FSB was 200MHz when it was actually 266MHz.) The BIOS did report the correct speeds during POST, however. And I veryified the FSB 1066 memory multipliers were working. Setting the memory to auto at the new default FSB 1066 resulted in the memory running at 2:3 ratio (DDR2 800). I think the other memory ratio it offered at this FSB is 4:5 (DDR2 667).

I might need to do both the BSEL mod for FSB 1333 (333MHz) and perhaps Vid mod to get up to FSB 1600. The former just involves putting a tiny piece of tape on a single pad, so that shouldn't be too bad.
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Post by QuietOC » Fri Dec 26, 2008 5:19 pm

I had it running at 9x333MHz = 3GHz for a while but it would fail Orthos stress after a few minutes. Right now I have it booted at 6x350MHz which is as high as I can get the FSB for now.

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Post by QuietOC » Fri Dec 26, 2008 6:41 pm

I gave the TUL motherboard another chance to redeem itself. It booted the modded E5200 and gave no idication the BSEL mod was working, until I got into the BIOS and it claimed the memory was running at 500MHz.

I set the memory divider to the lowest setting and rebooted. CPUZ reported that the CPU was running at 12.5x200MHz and the memory was running at 200MHz at the 1:1 divider! So, the BSEL mod changes the available memory dividers but not neccessarily the FSB clockspeed.

Both G31 motherboards are unable to figure out what those dividers are with the modded E5200. Both thought they were still the normal FSB 800 dividers when they were really the FSB 1066 dividers.

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Post by QuietOC » Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:50 pm

Further testing of the G31M-ES2L + E5200:

12X320MHz = 3840MHz @ 1.520V (1.562V setting)
FSB:DRAM 4:5 = DDR2 800 @ 1.8V
Orthos Small FFT load 129W
CPU 58*C

Still no luck getting to FSB 1600. The BSEL mod for FSB 1333 wouldn't boot, so I am back to the FSB 1066 mod.

4GHz (12x333MHz) is not stable even at max 1.600V setting of EasyTune6, but my Coollink BAT heatsink may not have enough cooling.

I will see how reasonable 11.5x320MHz = 3680MHz.

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Post by QuietOC » Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:12 pm

11.5x322MHz = 3705MHz @ 1.424V (1.468V)
Orthos 115W @ 50*C

Definitely more reasonable regarding power and temp.

11x320MHz = 3520MHz @ 1.392V (1.425V)
Orthos 105W @ 46*C

10x320MHz = 3200MHz @ 1.280V (1.312V)
Orthos 92W @ 38*C

Not a lot of power reduction, but temperatures are much better.
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Post by ex.treme » Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:26 pm

Good results.
Which video cards, psu, hard drive, ram,cooling cpu atc. do you have?

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Post by QuietOC » Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:09 pm

ex.treme wrote:Good results.
Which video cards, psu, hard drive, ram,cooling cpu atc. do you have?
Above test is just using the built in GMA 3100. I just tried playing TF2 on it tonight. Yuck, and I though the 740G was slow. I switched my 9600 GSO to the little Sempron/740G machine while I'm testing this one, but I have a 9600GT coming soon.

HD right now is an ancient, loud WD400JB--just for testing. I don't want to corrupt the Vista install on my WD6400AAKS again.

Cooling is a Coolink BAT1VS with a Scythe S-Flex "F".

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Post by QuietOC » Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:33 pm

I picked up a used Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 off of eBay for $99 shipped.

Default VID is 1.125V and the lowest VID is 1.1125V. In other words voltage control is basically useless with EIST.

I have the E7200 mounted in the TUL G31 motherboard with a Ninja Rev B. Right now it is happily runnng Orthos at 9.5x333MHz = 3165MHz @ 1.104V 84W. No success with faster FSB settings in the BIOS.

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Post by QuietOC » Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:12 pm

The E7200 was swapped into the G31M-ES2L along with the Ninja Rev B.
The FSB1333 BSEL mod was easy (just a piece of masking tape), and now there are only two memory dividers available: 1:1 and 5:6.

E7200 9.5x400MHz = 3800MHz POSTs fine, but refuses to boot into Windows Vista. Even tried two different drives. Tried raising the chipset voltage, raising CPU voltage, won't boot. Lowering the CPU multiplier doesn't help either. The motherboard is rated by Gigabyte to support the FSB1600, but it doesn't list any FSB1600 CPUs as supported, so maybe they are lying.

So, overclocking the E7200 much beyond 3.2GHz has been a failure. Although it doesn't require any more than 1.1V at that speed. The E5200 requires 1.280V at 3.2GHz.

Meanwhile, the E5200 with the lowly Coolink BAT is in the lowly TUL G31 motherboard happily running at 3.75GHz with just a lot of voltage (1.472V CPUZ).

The trick to BIOS overclocking on the TUL/Foxconn motherboard is to realize that all the clockspeeds reported by the BIOS are off when using a BSEL mod (e.g., 200MHz is really 266MHz.) The 225MHz setting in the BIOS is really 300MHz.

The highest CPU voltage +0.2500V setting in the BIOS doesn't work, so I settled for +0.2375V. This seems to be enough to run the E5200 at 12.5x 300MHz = 3750MHz. The memory auto setting in the BIOS sets the memory to the 4:5 divider which is slightly underclocked at 375MHz. Maybe I can reduce the latencies at that speed?

I am going to swap the CPUs again, as the E5200 benefits from a lower multiplier, and the E7200 doesn't seem to need as much voltage. Maybe the TUL/Foxconn will get the E7200 up to FSB1600.

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Post by QuietOC » Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:49 pm

Some happy results for me. I finally managed to get to a high FSB with the E7200 and the G31M-ES2L--446MHz to be exact. 9.5x446MHz = 4237MHz @ 1.536V. With a 119cfm fan pushing air through the Coolink BAT in addition to the Scythe S-Flex F pulling on the other side the CPU was reaching 84*C during Orthos--I should have plugged the power meter in!

The problem may have been chipset cooling, but I am not sure. Right now it booted and is running quite happily at 9.5x440MHz = 4180MHz @ 1.536V. With a more moderate extra fan, it is still hitting 84*C in Orthos. So the Gigabyte GA-G31M-ES2L may be a pain to work with, but it can perform decently. Now to see if and how cool the E7200 can run at 3.8GHz or so.

Anyone want a ~3.7GHz E5200 + TUL/Foxconn G31 motherboard?

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Post by QuietOC » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:22 pm

Still running at 4180MHz. I lowered the voltage a tad to 1.520V and the power meter is showing peak load about 220W for the entire system during Orthos testing. CPU temperature is hovering around 78*C.

Now testing at an even 4GHz (9.5x421MHz) @ 1.408V. Orthos ~185W ~60*C.

If you are wondering why the numbers are so high it is because there is also a 9600GSO in the system.

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Post by QuietOC » Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:25 am

Removed the extra fans and left the S-Flex "F" pulling out of the Coolink.

400MHz FSB & 1.375V VID
Orthos 3.8GHz @ 1.328V 54*C -- 166W
Idle 2.4GHz @ 1.344V -- 105W
Sleep -- 2W

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Post by sousa » Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:27 pm

QuietOC wrote:Removed the extra fans and left the S-Flex "F" pulling out of the Coolink.

400MHz FSB & 1.375V VID
Orthos 3.8GHz @ 1.328V 54*C -- 166W
Idle 2.4GHz @ 1.344V -- 105W
Sleep -- 2W
When and if you have the time, could you please measure the idle and load power consumption while undervolting?

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Post by QuietOC » Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:40 pm

sousa wrote:When and if you have the time, could you please measure the idle and load power consumption while undervolting?
Idle without the video card is around 50W regardless of voltage/clockspeed.

The voltage side of EIST is broken on the E7200 (its 2 P-states only differ by 0.0125V!) The G31M-ES2L does show voltages settings down to 0.500V in the BIOS.

The Intel platform is so inefficient, I can't see the point in undervolting the LGA775 CPUs. Not when my Sempron / 740G system can run at 1.6GHz full load at ~20W for CPU + motherboard + 4GB of DDR2.

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Post by QuietOC » Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:45 pm

Some undervolting results (I have a feeling the CoolerMaster RS-430-PCAR is much less efficient than my 300W In Wins.)

Intel Core 2 Duo E7200
Gigabyte GA-G31M-ES2L
Coolink BAT1VS
2 x 2GB ADATA DDR2 800 (~1.9V)
WD6400AAKS
Samsung DVD Burner

Passive
999.3MHz @ 0.752V -- 47-49W Idle 54W Orthos Blend
+ Unplug HD & DVD -- 39W Idle
1205MHz @ 0.784V -- 49-52W Idle
2000MHz @ 1.088V -- 53W Idle
3000MHz @ 1.088V -- 87W Orthos Blend

Mild Overclocking w/ IGP
w/ Scythe S-Flex F (~2.4W)
2400MHz @ 1.376V -- 61-63W Idle
3800MHz @ 1.360V -- 126W Orthos Small

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Post by ex.treme » Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:31 am

QuietOC wrote: Passive
999.3MHz @ 0.752V -- 47-49W Idle 54W Orthos Blend
+ Unplug HD & DVD -- 39W Idle
1205MHz @ 0.784V -- 49-52W Idle
How did you undervolted ? Bios - and with fsb?, some program at windows?

999.3Mhz - 9.5x105?

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Post by QuietOC » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:11 am

ex.treme wrote:How did you undervolted ? Bios - and with fsb?, some program at windows?

999.3Mhz - 9.5x105?
6x166MHz actually. I didn't even get 133MHz FSB to work. Undervolting and multiplier lowering done in the BIOS. Gigabyte's Easy Tune 6 software seems to have trouble handling large FSB swings--it probably doesn't change the chipset timings. The BIOS seems to set the memory timings well for FSB changes--I'm surprised at how fast this AData DIMMs can overclock.

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Post by ex.treme » Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:57 am

Interest, do you have unlock multiplier cpu?

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