Seasonic S12-600 or Antec Trio 650?

Tzupy · Post by **Tzupy** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:46 am

I am going to buy a new PSU for my new Conroe setup during the next two days.
My concern is the ability to power a G85 based card (I'm estimating 150-200W) in about 9 months.
I can buy S12-600 (rev.3) or Trio 650, the new S12-650 is not available in my country yet.
On paper, the Trio looks better and is also cheaper, but I'm not sure about noise levels and reliability.
Please advise. Thank you.

student · Post by **student** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:20 am

They are both made by Seasonic. Both have good reviews and are efficient and quiet. Apparently the Antec Trio has lesser quality components than Seasonic branded, PowerPC&Cooling and Corsair PSU's, that are made by Seasonic.

Check out this forum discussion:
http://forums.amd.com/lofiversion/index.php/t82809.html

jaganath · Post by **jaganath** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:33 am

Both have good reviews and are efficient and quiet.

Trio not been reviewed by SPCR as yet, so I would take any quietness claims with a pinch of salt. S12-600 is a tried and tested performer, not an unknown quantity.

Also, from that thread:

jonnyGURU@Anyhoo... Word is that although this is built by Seasonic, it has a single layer PCB unlike other Seasonics (PCP&C, Corsair, etc.) and doesn't use the same industrial components (105C capacitors, etc.)

Tzupy · Post by **Tzupy** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:10 am

I am aware of these potential problems with the Trio, but I was hoping someone that has it could say something good about it.
I also know that S12-600 is a mature product, but I am uncomfortable buying it now, when the S12E+650 (I might be OK with the S12E+550) should be available soon.
Unfortunately, I have already delayed my new build too much, waiting for the S12E+650. I might be able to keep my NeoPower480 until I find a buyer for my old system.
A Corsair 520 or 620 would be also nice, because of the modular cables, but it's again not available in my country AFAIK.

burebista · Post by **burebista** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:28 am

S12 Energy Plus will be available in november.
Corsair is indecent expensive so our Corsair reseller will never import it (at least in short term).
From a trust worthy guy I know that in Trio is a 120 mm ADDA fan which is noisier in idle than 80 mm fan from NeoHE. Anyway he said that for 99% of peoples is a silent fan, but not for him.

Take a look at M-12 500/600. That single 12V rail should help with future video cards monsters.

EsaT · Post by **EsaT** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:11 pm

Yep, I would suggest going for single 12V rail PSU because there's no need to worry about distribution of load which is very beneficial especially with coming GPUs. If that Trio has separate rails with OCP it very propably can't power dual card configurations of coming top end cards.

Also those Corsairs doesn't care about rails. (those just showed more ripple than M12 in jonnyguru's reviews)
There's at least some German shops which would sell also to Hungary if you don't have much any choise in there.

Definitely cheaper single sided PCB, heatsinks are from Seasonics new design but that doesn't necessarily mean design is similar to Seasonics new "premium class" PSUs.
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=964&pageID=2580

Non-sleeved cable spaghetti so some organizing required...
http://www.cluboc.net/reviews/power/ant ... /index.htm

pyogenes · Post by **pyogenes** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:19 pm

burebista wrote:S12 Energy Plus will be available in november.

Actually, they are available now. I ordered the 650HT from Newegg late last week and it just got delivered today!

floffe · Post by **floffe** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:33 pm

My guess is he meant it'll be available in Romania in november, since both of those posters are from there

Tzupy · Post by **Tzupy** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:08 am

Ok, I got the picture: if the Trio is louder in idle than my acceptable NeoPower (which at idle is about the same as the NeoHe), than it's a no.
I can't wait until November, I might have to travel then and want to build my new system now. Thank you for the inputs.

student · Post by **student** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:47 am

Tzupy it seems you had already made up your mind before you made this post. Great, waste everyones time!

jaganath · Post by **jaganath** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 2:22 am

student wrote:Tzupy it seems you had already made up your mind before you made this post. Great, waste everyones time!

I don't think that's true at all; clearly, he was leaning towards the Trio at the beginning of the thread, but with the new information posted by yourself plus the realisation that his NeoPower is still perfectly adequate, and the time constraints, he decided against it.

Tzupy · Post by **Tzupy** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:20 am

@student: if you feel I wasted your time, my apologies. The post that made up my mind was burebista's, I can't wait another month for the S12E+.
I could still use the Neopower with my new build but I would definitely have to ditch it if my system will (in 7-8 months) draw 250W - at 40db (according to the SPCR review)!
For me it's most important to be low noise at low load and acceptable noise when gaming (but of course not 40 db).
The S12-600 should be acceptable when gaming, 25db at 200W and 28 db at 250W. If I could buy a S12E+ today, I would, but ... no luck.
I'm not getting the M12 because I don't like the 60 mm fan setup. I believe that at high load it's going to add noise and at low load it's going to allow too much heat back into the case.

burebista · Post by **burebista** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 5:53 am

Tzupy wrote:I'm not getting the M12 because I don't like the 60 mm fan setup. I believe that at high load it's going to add noise and at low load it's going to allow too much heat back into the case.

LOL! You put a ~200W video card and you're worried about a tiny amount of heat escaped from that 60mm fan?
As I said before it seems that at M-12 500/600 that little fan kicks in only in extreme conditions, and I really doubt that you'll reach those conditions even with a monster video card and M-12 600...

hulubei · Post by **hulubei** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:16 am

Trio has the same ADDA fan as in the other Seasonics. The only thing could go wrong here could be the fan regulator.

BillyBuerger · Post by **BillyBuerger** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:21 am

Tzupy wrote:@student: if you feel I wasted your time, my apologies. The post that made up my mind was burebista's, I can't wait another month for the S12E+.
I could still use the Neopower with my new build but I would definitely have to ditch it if my system will (in 7-8 months) draw 250W - at 40db (according to the SPCR review)!
For me it's most important to be low noise at low load and acceptable noise when gaming (but of course not 40 db).
The S12-600 should be acceptable when gaming, 25db at 200W and 28 db at 250W. If I could buy a S12E+ today, I would, but ... no luck.
I'm not getting the M12 because I don't like the 60 mm fan setup. I believe that at high load it's going to add noise and at low load it's going to allow too much heat back into the case.

It sounds like big issue here is that you've got the itch to buy something, and buy it now. You're NeoPower handles your current system right? So you need something better/quieter for when you upgrade your video (6 months). But you don't want to wait 1 month for the S12E+. Which would probably be your best choice for a power hungry GPU, since you don't like the M12. If you can hold on to your money for just a little longer, the S12E+ will give you the best results. Otherwise, you're going to get something now that may need to be upgraded again in 6 months.

Tzupy · Post by **Tzupy** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:43 am

I just bought the Gigabyte DQ6, Conroe E6600 and 2x1GB Corsair DDR2-800 for my new setup.
I'll use existing WD3200JD and 7900 GTX, in P150. I would have bought the S12-600 today, but didn't realize that the shop I wanted to buy it from had moved.
I'll buy it tomorrow. I thought about the DX10 card I plan to buy in 7-8 months, and if it's going to be over 150W I wouldn't be able to cool it quietly anyway,
so the S12-600 should be OK for me. I read again the M12 review, but just seeing the 60 mm fan makes me feel disgusted.
About the Trio: my *guess* is that since it uses lesser quality parts than the S12E+, the fan may have to spin a bit faster to keep it cool.
Thank you all for the inputs.

hulubei · Post by **hulubei** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:41 pm

You are rong about the quality of the parts and the fan speed.

Escuze my off-topic, Antec Trio is based on wich Seasonic?

student · Post by **student** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:31 am

I have a Seasonic M12-700. I have never heard the 60mm fan spin up. Infact, the whole PSU is as good as silent. Looking at the diagrams that came with the PSU, the 60mm fan is there to eliminate hotspots inside the PSU, rather provide enough air to cool the psu which is left upto the 120mm fan.

Tzupy · Post by **Tzupy** » Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:23 am

Update: I got myself a S12E+650. But since this would mean that I wasted people's time with my thread, I did this:
I bought an Antec Trio 650 as a gift for a friend of mine, who's birthday was 3 days ago. I was hoping to report back on the Trio 650.
But it turned out to be defective

. I just returned it for warranty / maintenance. I was told it should be repaired within 2 days.
Right now I'm sooo glad I didn't get it for myself.