WARNING - no 'quiet seek' for Barracuda V SATA!

DanOnKeys · Post by **DanOnKeys** » Fri Jun 27, 2003 3:42 am

I've got my cudaV hooked up to my onboard SATA RAID controller on my GA-7VAXP Ultra and was able to enable/disable AAM. As I recall, I had to wait forever because I think the Hitachi Feature Tool was looking for my second SATA device (I had none). Come to think of it, I think I can declare my SATA controller as either RAID or BASIC -- so I might've had it set as basic -- so maybe I'm not helping you at all. Note to self: check that out.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Fri Jun 27, 2003 8:58 pm

I got my drives recognized by the feature tool, but they're saying that they don't support AAM. They're the ST380013AS -- did I get the wrong drives?

Harry Azol · Post by **Harry Azol** » Fri Jun 27, 2003 10:08 pm

stuart wrote:I got my drives recognized by the feature tool, but they're saying that they don't support AAM. They're the ST380013AS -- did I get the wrong drives?

thats a 7200.7 series drive.. they dont support AAM

Spoonfed · Post by **Spoonfed** » Sun Jun 29, 2003 1:47 pm

Simple solution.

Temporarly move the drive to the standard IDE channel

efcoins · Post by **efcoins** » Mon Jun 30, 2003 6:08 am

Glad to hear that it works for other people, bu I get Internal Error when the feature tool searches for my SATA Baracuda V

DanOnKeys · Post by **DanOnKeys** » Mon Jun 30, 2003 7:00 am

I checked and I did have my onboard SiI3112a SATA controller set to BASIC when I successfully ran the HFT to enable AAM, but I have since changed it to RAID, and the HFT detects and works on my SATA cudaV either way. Sorry you guys are having trouble with it

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Post by **Ralf Hutter** » Mon Jun 30, 2003 8:24 am

Spoonfed wrote:Simple solution.

Temporarly move the drive to the standard IDE channel

How do you put a SATA drive on an IDE channel? Is there some sort of SATA>IDE adapter that's available?

Spoonfed · Post by **Spoonfed** » Mon Jun 30, 2003 2:20 pm

Oh, i didn't read SATA, hmmm a bit of a problem

Post by **Ralf Hutter** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 7:58 am

FWIW, I just successfully enabled AAM (and set it to 128 - "quiet") by using the Hitachi Feature Toll on my SATA Barracuda V. The Barracuda V is set as Master on SATA(0) and the Feature Toll found it without any fussing.

There's a big difference in the seek noise between the default setting and the "quiet" setting. With it set to "quiet" it's just barely louder than a Barracuda IV.

Phrozenpenguin · Post by **Phrozenpenguin** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 8:48 am

Thanks for this thread

I just enabled Acoustic management using the hitachi feature tool and it all went smoothly.
I have 2 Segate Bara SATA V ST380023AS drives in RAID 0 on a Gigabyte 8INXP motherboard with the Sil3112 sata chip.
All went smoothly, it detected the drives quickly no probs

Havent done any benchies before and after, but it is A LOT quieter when it seeks. Before it was VERY noisey.
Thanks again

jaimemitche · Post by **jaimemitche** » Fri Jul 04, 2003 11:13 am

Is there anything that can be done about the loud seeks on a barracuda 7200.7 sata 160 gb 8mb cache drive model : st316002 3as? I tried the hitachi tool but it says amm not supported like suggested in the threads.

Thanks

Jaime

Post by **Ralf Hutter** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 4:06 am

jaimemitche wrote:Is there anything that can be done about the loud seeks on a barracuda 7200.7 sata 160 gb 8mb cache drive model : st316002 3as? I tried the hitachi tool but it says amm not supported like suggested in the threads.

Thanks

Jaime

AAM-wise, apparently not.

You could suspend the drive or put it into a Smart Drive enclosure.

jaimemitche · Post by **jaimemitche** » Sun Jul 06, 2003 12:19 pm

Thanks for the reply, I tried linux hdparm and it set the amm flag, however I dont think it did anything as it defently doesnt seem to have any amm. So where in the UK can I get a pair of 80gb or 1 120gb/160gb hard disk that is virtually as quiet as the barracuda 4 during idle and seek?

Thanks

Jaime

Spoonfed · Post by **Spoonfed** » Sun Jul 06, 2003 1:48 pm

I have found my 2 60gb Barra V's in a striping Raid0 are quiter than the stand alone 60gb Barra V's

rizla · Post by **rizla** » Sun Jul 06, 2003 4:21 pm

is everyone using this hitachi tool on drives that have data on them? Is it safe to change back and forth without risk of doing something bad to the drive? I'd like to try it both ways and see if what the performance loss/silence gain is like, but don't really want to backup then format a drive to do it....

Spoonfed · Post by **Spoonfed** » Sun Jul 06, 2003 4:45 pm

should not affect data on drive (didn't on my barra v's)

Post by **Ralf Hutter** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 5:09 am

rizla wrote:is everyone using this hitachi tool on drives that have data on them? Is it safe to change back and forth without risk of doing something bad to the drive? I'd like to try it both ways and see if what the performance loss/silence gain is like, but don't really want to backup then format a drive to do it....

The Barracuda V that I just set the AAM on had no data on it but I've been playing with setting AAM on many, many different drives for a few years now and almost all of them have had data on them. I have never had any trouble with data corruption, even when switching AAM levels back-and-forth multiple times on the same drive. Apparently all AAM does is change the speed of the actuator/head assembly so I can't see any reason for this to affect the integrity of the data.

phaedrus · Post by **phaedrus** » Tue Jul 08, 2003 2:23 pm

@PhrozenPenguin:

I have the same drive - Seagate ST380023as - the HFT won't allow me to enable AAM. Do I have to change some setting for how the SATA drive is recognized to get this to work?

adoyle · Post by **adoyle** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 1:42 pm

what is the idle noise like compared to pata V's and iVs?

Phrozenpenguin · Post by **Phrozenpenguin** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 1:52 pm

phaedrus wrote:@PhrozenPenguin:

I have the same drive - Seagate ST380023as - the HFT won't allow me to enable AAM. Do I have to change some setting for how the SATA drive is recognized to get this to work?

I didnt have to do anything special. Sorry to hear its not goin smoothly for you. What errors you getting?

phaedrus · Post by **phaedrus** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 11:08 pm

PhrozenPenguin wrote:

What errors you getting?

No errors, but when I tried to enable AAM on the drive it remained disabled.

I had to return my video card yesterday and am waiting for its replacement to arrive. Once I get it in, I'll try the HFT again and see if I can get more specific info.

minok · Post by **minok** » Wed Oct 15, 2003 12:15 pm

Yeah, looks like US Patent law and the way the Patents are granted by the bafoons in the patent office as well as the governments and courts interpretation are going to screw the customers to the benefit of some industries.

Disney keeps getting the copyright laws changed to extend their Mickey Mouse protections.

Patents get granted on the stupidest things - the WAY its done should be protected but not the general idea of doing it altogether.

I guess Seagate settled on the case - as the original 'filing' was back in early 2000 and its now 2003. I assume that is why they stopped allowing 'quiet seek' AKA AAM - in their newer drives. If the case was still not settled, I imagine Seagate would be pumping out AAM drives until a court says 'stop it'..

What is pissy is that this silly patented technolgy was produced by some MIT faculty under a government grant - they got free funding to do the research - and they go and patent it and now demand that everyone pay them to use the results of the research paid for with your US tax dollars. Nice system we have here in the US, isn't it. I'd imagine all US taxpayers should be able to use it license free, since we paid for it - right? Key in a valid social security number into the firmware - and wham - it comes on.

If it stays this way - someone WILL hack the firmware to turn it on. Seagates own specs show the technology is still IN the drives, just not enabled. Just as firmware is hacked for DVD drives to make them RPC-1 or region free - there will be a solution to this boneheaded AAM lawsuit crap.

I guess in the interim - buy Barracuda V PATA drives or go with Samsungs SP1614N.

MoJo-chan · Post by **MoJo-chan** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:43 am

Just thought I'd bump this thread again because I've been thinking along the same lines as minok.

It should, in theory, be possible to enable AAM on 7200.7 drives. Seagate themselves say OEMs can do it with the right tool.

Can anyone confirm that an OEM has used 7200.7 drives with AAM enabled?

BOOGS · Post by **BOOGS** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 2:46 pm

jaimemitche wrote:Thanks for the reply, I tried linux hdparm and it set the amm flag, however I dont think it did anything as it defently doesnt seem to have any amm. So where in the UK can I get a pair of 80gb or 1 120gb/160gb hard disk that is virtually as quiet as the barracuda 4 during idle and seek?

Thanks

Jaime

well, get the Samsung Spinpoints, or Maxtor Max 10

I use the max 10, very quiet,

u wont go wrong with either of these drives, though max 10 has top of class performance too

Tibors · Post by **Tibors** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 4:58 pm

BOOGS,

Do you realise you just answered a question asked in july 2003

That is one and a half years ago

Viper · Post by **Viper** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 6:08 pm

Hey all,

I used the hitachi tool for my 60gb seagate barracuda IV st360021a pata, in the option when you boot off A it foud the drive ok and i turned on aam it said ok but when rebooted back into windows its disabled, anyone know why?.

MoJo-chan · Post by **MoJo-chan** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:59 am

Viper: Seagates don't support AAM any more. The Hitachi tool is probably sending the command, but it's not being acted on.

Seagate have a special tool for OEMs which it seems can enable AAM. Finding said tool and working out how to use it could be tricky.

WARNING - no 'quiet seek' for Barracuda V SATA!

ST380013?

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