Thermalright XP-120

Post by **Ralf Hutter** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 2:24 pm

bobov wrote:Ralf, which 120mm fan did you choose to combine with XP-120? I'm looking for a quiet 120mm fan mounted on the top of my XP-120 to cool my P4 3.0C well. Any suggestion? Thanks.

Hmm....funny you should ask that. I've been playing around with a few 120mm fans on my XP-120. Preliminary conclusion shows that the absolute quietest fan is one of the Globe 120mm's oriented to suck up off the heatsink. Best noise-to-cooling-ratio fan is the Evercool 12025M12C at 5V, also sucking up off the heatsink.

Fans I've tried so far:

-couple 'o Globes,

-couple 'o L1A Japanaflos,

-couple 'o OEM FBK Japanaflos,

-Evercool 12025M,

-NMB B10.

bobov · Post by **bobov** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 3:45 pm

Is it this one?

http://www.jab-tech.com/catalog/product ... 5M12C.html

dddp · Post by **dddp** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 4:57 pm

anyone got one of these fitted to an abit IC7-G mb yet?

wumpus · Post by **wumpus** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 5:41 pm

Globe, that's the same brand as Evercool Alu, right? I told you guys those were the quietest 120mm fans I had ever heard.

oceancyc · Post by **oceancyc** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 10:30 pm

Does anyone know if the XP-120 from Heatsink Factory comes with thermal grease or do I need to order some Arctic Silver?

Post by **Ralf Hutter** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:26 am

bobov wrote:Is it this one?

http://www.jab-tech.com/catalog/product ... 5M12C.html

Looks like it but I wouldn't swear to it. Apparently there's several types of these floating around. Some have a single ball bearing, some have double ball bearings. I'm definitely not the expert when it comes to Evercools. I'd take a look in the Giant Evercool Thread for all the straight dope.

Post by **Ralf Hutter** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:29 am

wumpus wrote:Globe, that's the same brand as Evercool Alu, right? I told you guys those were the quietest 120mm fans I had ever heard.

No, the Globe appears to be the same fan as the AF120C Acoustifan. Somewhere here there's a big thread by Ed Ng comparing the two.

EDIT - I'm an idiot.

Post by **Ralf Hutter** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:32 am

oceancyc wrote:Does anyone know if the XP-120 from Heatsink Factory comes with thermal grease or do I need to order some Arctic Silver?

My XP-120 didn't come from Heatsinkfactory, but it was a retail box and included a syringe containing 2.5cc of a white TIM.

bobov · Post by **bobov** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:21 am

Ralf, that evercool has 4-pin connector or 3-pin? Does it support rpm monitoring? Thanks.

cmcquistion · Post by **cmcquistion** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 9:23 am

The Evercool 120mm fans have 3 pin connectors and are usually bundled with a 4 pin to 3 pin adapter.

They do have RPM monitoring.

burcakb · Post by **burcakb** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:04 am

Globe puts the same dBA rating on their fans regardless of bearing, and they have 3 different types of bearings: sleeve, sleeve+ball, double ball. Their dBA ratings are given for the sleeve versions and are pretty accurate. Ball bearing fans are considerably louder though.

Edward Ng · Post by **Edward Ng** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:51 am

Alright...

Who deleted a post?!?

shathal · Post by **shathal** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:09 pm

Moi.

Because it referred to something that was
(a) on the last page (and not quoted)
(b) already answered

So the laziest option was to delete the post. So ner

.

burcakb · Post by **burcakb** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 2:42 pm

I suggest putting Ralf's pic above someplace sticky and use it as a reference for "mark of the silence freak"

SilverBeard · Post by **SilverBeard** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:35 pm

Ralf Hutter wrote:
bobov wrote:Ralf, which 120mm fan did you choose to combine with XP-120? I'm looking for a quiet 120mm fan mounted on the top of my XP-120 to cool my P4 3.0C well. Any suggestion? Thanks.
Hmm....funny you should ask that. I've been playing around with a few 120mm fans on my XP-120. Preliminary conclusion shows that the absolute quietest fan is one of the Globe 120mm's oriented to suck up off the heatsink.

Did you have to mod the Globe fan to mount it on the XP-120? I read elsewhere that they have closed corners.

Where did you put the thermister? Am I correct in inferring that you run the Globes at 12V and let the thermister take care of keeping them quiet?

burcakb · Post by **burcakb** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 9:52 pm

Are those "fan-only" molex connectors, lots of inline resistors, fanmates and Zalman 5V connectors that I see before me?

No way Ralf would stand a 12V 120mm, even with thermistors.

Post by **Ralf Hutter** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 6:07 am

SilverBeard wrote:
Did you have to mod the Globe fan to mount it on the XP-120? I read elsewhere that they have closed corners.

Yes, they have closed corners. It takes about 5-10 minutes to do a nice clean Dremel job on them but they're such quiet fans that i just sucked it up and did it.

SilverBeard wrote:Where did you put the thermistor? Am I correct in inferring that you run the Globes at 12V and let the thermistor take care of keeping them quiet?

The thermistor on these Globe has to get pretty darn hot to even slightly start to ramp the fan speed up. It's basically worthless. I've been playing with two Globes. One has the thermistor left on and it's just hanging in the breeze. The other has the thermistor cut off and it's leads shorted together.

A few months ago I played with some other Globes and found the only way to get the thermistor hot enough to ramp up the fan speed at all was to jam it into the base of the heatsink. Even then, it wouldn't raise the fan speed more than about 10% max, and that only occurred under extended sessions of full load heat testing.

Post by **Ralf Hutter** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 6:11 am

burcakb wrote:Are those "fan-only" molex connectors, lots of inline resistors, fanmates and Zalman 5V connectors that I see before me?* No way Ralf would stand a 12V 120mm, even with thermistors.

Of course. Almost all of my own personal fans are run at 5V, with a few at 7V.

I'm testing the XP-120 though, and so have run all those fans at 5, 7 and 12V to see how well things work.

*(BTW, what do you do, look at pics with a magnifying glass?)

Edward Ng · Post by **Edward Ng** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 6:37 am

Ralf Hutter wrote:*(BTW, what do you do, look at pics with a magnifying glass?)

Well, crap if he does that then he'll actually get a glimpse of my face in one of the pics I posted in the water cooling forums!

pony-tail · Post by **pony-tail** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 4:44 pm

Does anybody have the clearance specs - eg. Cpu socket to PSU as I am not sure if it would fit my case - mobo combination ( see rig 4 in my sig ) AOpen case is a H450a micro atx mini tower - socket is oriented so as the "Intel" logo is horizontal on the stock (screamer) intel fan with the clamp levers at front and rear
I want this info as they are unlikely to ever become available locally so I would have to buy it online without having actually seen any more than a photo of one .
The proc is a 3.2 northwood and even with the stock heatsink runs hot,(49 deg c doing this post - 60 deg c under heavy load) this cooler looks like what I have been looking for .

Edward Ng · Post by **Edward Ng** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 7:22 pm

Ralf, are those long plays?

lenny · Post by **lenny** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 12:08 am

Edward Ng wrote:Ralf, are those long plays?

What, pray tell, are "long plays"?

I thought they look like oversized CDs.

OK OK I'm just pulling your legs. I'm not really *that* young (unfortunately). Please stop hurting me now.

Post by **Ralf Hutter** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 5:18 am

Edward Ng wrote:Ralf, are those long plays?

Uh, of course.

Edward Ng · Post by **Edward Ng** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 6:04 am

lenny wrote:OK OK I'm just pulling your legs. I'm not really *that* young (unfortunately). Please stop hurting me now.

Lol I'm 22! My dad had a whole lot of LPs when I was a kid. Not anymore, though.

shathal · Post by **shathal** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 10:54 am

Patience, young grasshopper...

... you too will know the sentiment of nostalgia

Post by **Ralf Hutter** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 11:25 am

shathal wrote:Patience, young grasshopper...

... you too will know the sentiment of nostalgia

Or maybe, he'll get the opportunity to hear the difference between a wonderful sounding analog LP vs. a colder and harsh sounding CD (or other digital media).

Edward Ng · Post by **Edward Ng** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 11:38 am

I've heard the difference on many occasions; I've found that it takes extremely good equipment to get a major improvement in overall quality over digital media (cheaper stuff just sounds extra cheap with good LPs).

Then there's two subjective items. Having grown up around and being used to digital media, I'm not particularly fonder of warmer analogue sound over the sound of digital (which, while many consider excessively cold, I simply consider much less warm--there's a difference). The other item being the hiss; for those who have become accustomed to it, it's no problem; unfortunately, it's almost as bad to my ears as a WD Caviar hardmounted to a Shuttle XPC.

-Ed

Post by **Ralf Hutter** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 11:49 am

Well, in my case I've grown up listening to lots of live, unamplified actual music, mostly classical and jazz. I use that as a reference point when I'm listening to recorded music. Analog LP's win out over digital nearly 100% of the time. The rare exception is usually an LP that comes from a digital source .

Some of the latest 24/96 DAD and SACD stuff comes close to analog, but it still isn't there yet.

Oh, and if you listen to properly cleaned and cared for LP's there is no "hiss".

Edward Ng · Post by **Edward Ng** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 11:54 am

Unfortunately, properly cleaned and cared for LPs aren't a dime a dozen.

oceancyc · Post by **oceancyc** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:48 pm

I just installed my XP-120 today with a Panaflo M1A. I have to say I'm dissapointed by its performance. Core Center says my CPU Temps 63 deg c and my Sys Temps 37 deg c. What could I be doing wrong. Tha fan is pointed at the HS BTW.[/img]