How not to build a system...
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He's running a 3500+ on a dfi board first of all. Either that chip needs to be a 3000+ or that mobo needs to be an asus premium coupled with a 3200+. That is if you know how to OC at all.
4GB of value ram? I'm not going to ask what for.
Then there is the issue of the raid 0. I'm sure it's cause he needs 148GB of application drive space cause raid 0 doesn't help your speed in real world performance.
It's looks really quiet though!
4GB of value ram? I'm not going to ask what for.
Then there is the issue of the raid 0. I'm sure it's cause he needs 148GB of application drive space cause raid 0 doesn't help your speed in real world performance.
It's looks really quiet though!
It reads like a respectable Photoshop workstation. What's your beef with that?merovingian wrote:He's running a 3500+ on a dfi board first of all. Either that chip needs to be a 3000+ or that mobo needs to be an asus premium coupled with a 3200+. That is if you know how to OC at all.
4GB of value ram? I'm not going to ask what for.
Then there is the issue of the raid 0. I'm sure it's cause he needs 148GB of application drive space cause raid 0 doesn't help your speed in real world performance.
It's looks really quiet though!
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Re: How not to build a system...
Here's a snippet taken from the page in your link:merovingian wrote:Haha, How not to build a system by Mike from silent review...
At least it looks quiet.
the authors of the review wrote:The system was not built with ultimate quiet as a target, but rather, high performance, stability and reliability at up to 30°C ambient room temperature — and very low noise.
What if you don't want to overclock?merovingian wrote:He's running a 3500+ on a dfi board first of all. Either that chip needs to be a 3000+ or that mobo needs to be an asus premium coupled with a 3200+. That is if you know how to OC at all.
4GB value RAM v. 512MB 1-1-1-1-CAS0 RAM v. Photoshop. Your point being?4GB of value ram? I'm not going to ask what for.
RAID0 doesn't help you real-world performance either. It might help your benchmark performance (=> biggest e-peen) but it doesn't help your real-world performance. Not as much as 4GB RAM, at least.Then there is the issue of the raid 0. I'm sure it's cause he needs 148GB of application drive space cause raid 0 doesn't help your speed in real world performance.
News flash: There's more to life than overclocking, CAS delays, and blue LEDs.
Well, at least we are all in agreement now!merovingian wrote:huh?
Actually, merovingian *did* point out that RAID 0 does not help real world performance. Thing is, I don't think MikeC ever said anything about a RAID 0 array. He just had 2 Western Digital 10k Raptors in there, probably just to prove the point that they *could* exist in a fairly quiet computer.
Now, if somebody wants to make a RAID 0 array out of them, well... that's their problem!
As you probably discovered by now, bashing MikeC is not a good idea on this forum. If you insist on doing it, however, you should get the facts straight at least.
The article doesn't mention anything about RAID 0. Besides:
As for 4 GB of RAM, I'd rather spend the extra $200+ somewhere else. But it'll make a good sized RAM disk. And again see quote from alglove.
A 3500+ AMD64 Winchester is a 2.2 GHz socket 939. AFAIK the DFI LanParty nF4-Ultra D supports it. Perhaps you're confusing it with the Athlon XP?merovingian wrote:He's running a 3500+ on a dfi board first of all. Either that chip needs to be a 3000+ or that mobo needs to be an asus premium coupled with a 3200+. That is if you know how to OC at all.
The article doesn't mention anything about RAID 0. Besides:
My sentiments exactly.alglove wrote:Now, if somebody wants to make a RAID 0 array out of them, well... that's their problem! Wink
As for 4 GB of RAM, I'd rather spend the extra $200+ somewhere else. But it'll make a good sized RAM disk. And again see quote from alglove.
In merovingian's defense, I am pretty sure that he realizes that the Athlon 64 3500+ and the DFI LanParty nF4-Ultra D do go together. I think he was just pointing out that the 3500+ may not be the best place to start if you want to overclock, looking at it in terms of "bang for the buck".lenny wrote:A 3500+ AMD64 Winchester is a 2.2 GHz socket 939. AFAIK the DFI LanParty nF4-Ultra D supports it. Perhaps you're confusing it with the Athlon XP?
The same thing probably applies for the 4 GB value RAM. Not necessarily ideal if you want to overclock and have tight timings, but much more useful if you are manipulating huge files in Photoshop. It all comes down to relative priorities.
Something tells me that merovingian may fall into the following category:
There is a stronger case for the Phantom 500 for the inveterate, power-hungry gamer who seeks a quiet PC. There are lots of such folks floating at SPCR these days; yes, even gamers are starting to hear the call of the silence siren. These PC users still want to run a thermally extreme system -- something like dual >75W VGA cards in a loaded high power system with a CPU that draws >100W.
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You guys are awesome!
When I first signed on the the board I was in this jerk mood and I was thinking that it was such a newb forum, sorry. So I helped a few people and messed with a few people. And some people got all pissed off and cause I didn't think I wanted to stick around anyway didn't really care.. But now I like it and people have this impression. Heh, sucks huh? That's what I get I suppose.
When I first signed on the the board I was in this jerk mood and I was thinking that it was such a newb forum, sorry. So I helped a few people and messed with a few people. And some people got all pissed off and cause I didn't think I wanted to stick around anyway didn't really care.. But now I like it and people have this impression. Heh, sucks huh? That's what I get I suppose.
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The 3500+ chips are great overclockers, especially the Venice cores. Venice is an overclocker’s word for God; they are amazing and almost completely idiot proof. I had my last chip, a 3500+ Winnie up to 2.75 GHz stable. My RAM, mobo and sub-par memory controller on my chip were holding me back, I am sure that 2.8 was doable with better components. I know a 3200+ would be better "bang for your buck" but the 11 multi is worth a little extra change when you’re overclocking. At least to me it is. As far as the DFI's are concerned, there is no better overclocking board out there than the DFI's......once you get used to their extremely in depth BIOS.
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How is the 11 multi help you over the 10 multi? Your clocking over 3.3Ghz? I'd like to see that.DarKSynergy wrote:The 3500+ chips are great overclockers, especially the Venice cores. Venice is an overclocker’s word for God; they are amazing and almost completely idiot proof. I had my last chip, a 3500+ Winnie up to 2.75 GHz stable. My RAM, mobo and sub-par memory controller on my chip were holding me back, I am sure that 2.8 was doable with better components. I know a 3200+ would be better "bang for your buck" but the 11 multi is worth a little extra change when you’re overclocking. At least to me it is. As far as the DFI's are concerned, there is no better overclocking board out there than the DFI's......once you get used to their extremely in depth BIOS.
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I don't do games. My machine has to be an audio and graphics workstation-so I like that 4 GB of massive ram,the possibly stock clocked 3500. Since There's no OC for me,the DFI is not the Mobo I'd want. The Raptors would fly-fer sure-but an SATA 2 Spinright 200 gb is quick-way cheaper-way quieter...and I'd spend the diff on a high end soundcard