Did you pick the wrong thread? That's too fast for this one.Abula wrote:Since we have limited reivews from some manufactuers, specially i dont see much of asus, and in case someone is interested, here a video,
LinusTechTip ASUS GTX 1080 Strix Review - "I wanna go fast!"
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My mistake =Pquest_for_silence wrote:Did you pick the wrong thread? That's too fast for this one.Abula wrote:Since we have limited reivews from some manufactuers, specially i dont see much of asus, and in case someone is interested, here a video,
LinusTechTip ASUS GTX 1080 Strix Review - "I wanna go fast!"
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It is good to note linus tech tips here. I believe he is one of about 2-3 who are devious and lie and hide truth about benchmarks. Really nothing to believe as he does. Very very well paid nvidia person.
Hard ocp, Gamers Nexus, I would trust them much more. Hard ocp people use a very unique way to review a card, the most realistic by far. Gamers nexus is the most easily compared/conceived sorts of benchmarking and they use many cards and listen to their viewers, so they add in cards and answer every question of odd combos.
the linustech tips guy is trash.
Hard ocp, Gamers Nexus, I would trust them much more. Hard ocp people use a very unique way to review a card, the most realistic by far. Gamers nexus is the most easily compared/conceived sorts of benchmarking and they use many cards and listen to their viewers, so they add in cards and answer every question of odd combos.
the linustech tips guy is trash.
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More good news on the EVGA SC. Legit Reviews received the new bios and tested it. It now idles at 37c with the fan off and during gaming they measured 74c at just 1000rpm.
http://www.legitreviews.com/nvidia-evga ... thingthing
Previously, it was limited to a 45%/1000rpm minimum fan speed but I'm not sure if they changed that. They did mention that they unlocked full manual control of the fan.
http://www.legitreviews.com/nvidia-evga ... thingthing
Previously, it was limited to a 45%/1000rpm minimum fan speed but I'm not sure if they changed that. They did mention that they unlocked full manual control of the fan.
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First ASUS Strix (319.99$ MSRP) review, if applicable.
Reviews with acoustic testing:
Asus ROG Strix GeForce GTX 1060 OC (11.73" length, 5.28" height, dual slot (1.54"), 8-pin PEG. 2 DP, 2 HDMI, 1 Dual-link DVI). Passive?
Hexus
Reviews with acoustic testing:
Asus ROG Strix GeForce GTX 1060 OC (11.73" length, 5.28" height, dual slot (1.54"), 8-pin PEG. 2 DP, 2 HDMI, 1 Dual-link DVI). Passive?
Hexus
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Asus Strix and Palit SJ@ Hexus added
Gigabyte G1 Gaming, Inno3D iChill x3, and Zotac AMP! Edition @ hardwareLUXX added.
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Snagged the EVGA SC ACX from Newegg today! Got it for $239 shipped after the paypal discount.
Excited but I am a little concerned about it though. The temps and fan speeds from LegitReviews seem too good to be true but JayzTwoCents also reviewed it and the found the temperatures at 63c in gaming at 1080p and he mentioned it didn't break the 60s at 4k and 1440p so we'll see. Also Newegg for whatever reason, doesn't allow refunds on it, as well as most of the other 1060s I've looked at.
I will update on how it is though. I'm planning to put it in a Rosewill Legacy U2 but I'll test it in my Silverstone PS07 first before swapping everything over.
Excited but I am a little concerned about it though. The temps and fan speeds from LegitReviews seem too good to be true but JayzTwoCents also reviewed it and the found the temperatures at 63c in gaming at 1080p and he mentioned it didn't break the 60s at 4k and 1440p so we'll see. Also Newegg for whatever reason, doesn't allow refunds on it, as well as most of the other 1060s I've looked at.
I will update on how it is though. I'm planning to put it in a Rosewill Legacy U2 but I'll test it in my Silverstone PS07 first before swapping everything over.
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The MSI GeForce GTX 1060 GAMING X seems superb, but I have a hard time justifyfing its high cost in Denmark (~€363) vs. MSRP (~€295).
I have my eyes on this one and I would love to hear how it performs in terms of acoustics and thermals.keif wrote:Snagged the EVGA SC ACX from Newegg today! Got it for $239 shipped after the paypal discount.
Excited but I am a little concerned about it though. The temps and fan speeds from LegitReviews seem too good to be true but JayzTwoCents also reviewed it and the found the temperatures at 63c in gaming at 1080p and he mentioned it didn't break the 60s at 4k and 1440p so we'll see. Also Newegg for whatever reason, doesn't allow refunds on it, as well as most of the other 1060s I've looked at.
I will update on how it is though. I'm planning to put it in a Rosewill Legacy U2 but I'll test it in my Silverstone PS07 first before swapping everything over.
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I received it yesterday and my first impressions are very good so far and very close to Legitreviews findings. I'll just leave a few notes for now.
I put it in my PS07 which has no sound dampening and I have it on my desk about 2.5 feet from my head - side panels are on. All other components in it are inaudible to me at idle. Picture here: http://i.imgur.com/JkztkIN.jpg
My bedroom and where I live is also very quiet. I live on the outskirts of a very small city in the mid-west US and our house has a brick outer layer and double layered drywall.
- Flashing the new bios was super easy and only took about one minute from downloading to restarting my pc.
- It idles at 35c with the fan off and doesn't turn on till about 60c.
- Minimum fan speed with the new bios is 650 rpm.
- Not the best sounding fan I've heard. It becomes audible to me at 800rpm and sounds ok up to about 1000rpm - just a faint whirling. But at 1100rpm the bearing starts to howl and it becomes annoying to me at 1400rpm. No clicking though which I'm happy about it and no audible skating or scratching from the ball-bearings.
- I tested it in GTA V at 1440p with most settings on very high and vsync off. I have three Scythe Slipstreams that run at ~800rpm under load and the Nocta NF-A9 on the CPU heatsink runs at ~1200rpm. I flew around the city and then also drove around in forest areas with heavy foliage - it was usually around 1200rpm and 75c and the highest temperature and fan speed I saw was 78c and 1300rpm - which is similar to the Twin Frozr 970 I had. All while boosting to 1950mhz.
- I also haven't heard it ramp up when web browsing or watching Twitch and Youtube.
I'm very happy with it so far and look forward to putting it in my Rosewill U2 where I might get better temps and fan speeds as it doesn't have the inverted layout. I'll also be playing around with fan curves and overclocking - I'll update on how that goes.
Overall, I'd say it's an extremely quiet card and worth considering for the price. But if you want absolute silence under load, I'd consider the Twin Frozr.
I put it in my PS07 which has no sound dampening and I have it on my desk about 2.5 feet from my head - side panels are on. All other components in it are inaudible to me at idle. Picture here: http://i.imgur.com/JkztkIN.jpg
My bedroom and where I live is also very quiet. I live on the outskirts of a very small city in the mid-west US and our house has a brick outer layer and double layered drywall.
- Flashing the new bios was super easy and only took about one minute from downloading to restarting my pc.
- It idles at 35c with the fan off and doesn't turn on till about 60c.
- Minimum fan speed with the new bios is 650 rpm.
- Not the best sounding fan I've heard. It becomes audible to me at 800rpm and sounds ok up to about 1000rpm - just a faint whirling. But at 1100rpm the bearing starts to howl and it becomes annoying to me at 1400rpm. No clicking though which I'm happy about it and no audible skating or scratching from the ball-bearings.
- I tested it in GTA V at 1440p with most settings on very high and vsync off. I have three Scythe Slipstreams that run at ~800rpm under load and the Nocta NF-A9 on the CPU heatsink runs at ~1200rpm. I flew around the city and then also drove around in forest areas with heavy foliage - it was usually around 1200rpm and 75c and the highest temperature and fan speed I saw was 78c and 1300rpm - which is similar to the Twin Frozr 970 I had. All while boosting to 1950mhz.
- I also haven't heard it ramp up when web browsing or watching Twitch and Youtube.
I'm very happy with it so far and look forward to putting it in my Rosewill U2 where I might get better temps and fan speeds as it doesn't have the inverted layout. I'll also be playing around with fan curves and overclocking - I'll update on how that goes.
Overall, I'd say it's an extremely quiet card and worth considering for the price. But if you want absolute silence under load, I'd consider the Twin Frozr.
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@keif - Thank you for a great rundown!
I really have my doubts about the fan if it emits a noticeable howling noise at ~1100 rpm as you say.
If the MSI GeForce GTX 1060 Gaming X 6 GB was a bit cheaper, I would be really tempted to pick it up, but it's quite a premium over the EVGA SC (~€356 vs. ~€309). The question then becomes if it's worth the ~15%/€47 price jump for 28 dBA@load and slightly higher clocks when OC'ed.
To make matters worse I've spotted a Gainward GeForce GTX 1060 @ €295 (MSRP in my country), which also has fanless mode at idle, but no reviews seem to be out yet.
I guess the wisest thing to do would be to way until the dust settles a bit more
I really have my doubts about the fan if it emits a noticeable howling noise at ~1100 rpm as you say.
If the MSI GeForce GTX 1060 Gaming X 6 GB was a bit cheaper, I would be really tempted to pick it up, but it's quite a premium over the EVGA SC (~€356 vs. ~€309). The question then becomes if it's worth the ~15%/€47 price jump for 28 dBA@load and slightly higher clocks when OC'ed.
To make matters worse I've spotted a Gainward GeForce GTX 1060 @ €295 (MSRP in my country), which also has fanless mode at idle, but no reviews seem to be out yet.
I guess the wisest thing to do would be to way until the dust settles a bit more
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No problem. Glad to help.
That's too bad on the pricing. In the US the MSI Gaming 1060 is only 20usd more than the EVGA ACX which is pretty reasonable.
I tried CSGO today and that didn't go as well as GTA V did. Because it's less CPU intensive, the CPU doesn't heat up, and therefore the case fans have lower RPM which resulted in 80c and 1500rpm and noise levels I'm not ok with. This is at 1440p, low settings, and 300 fps.
I also tried Firewatch which is another CPU light game and had similar results. This time I grabbed a GPU-Z screenshot which I attached below. Though I just remembered I left Vsync on so that's with it capped at 60fps.
I think I'm going to have to fit a 25mm fan on it.
That's too bad on the pricing. In the US the MSI Gaming 1060 is only 20usd more than the EVGA ACX which is pretty reasonable.
I tried CSGO today and that didn't go as well as GTA V did. Because it's less CPU intensive, the CPU doesn't heat up, and therefore the case fans have lower RPM which resulted in 80c and 1500rpm and noise levels I'm not ok with. This is at 1440p, low settings, and 300 fps.
I also tried Firewatch which is another CPU light game and had similar results. This time I grabbed a GPU-Z screenshot which I attached below. Though I just remembered I left Vsync on so that's with it capped at 60fps.
I think I'm going to have to fit a 25mm fan on it.
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keif wrote:I think I'm going to have to fit a 25mm fan on it.
Can't you tie the case fans to the GPU temp (instead of CPU one)?
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Not the GPU, from what I can remember. I think I can use the motherboard temperature sensor but I'm not sure how well that would work and I'm hesitant to try it. I'll have to double check. Motherboard is the Asrock Z97E-ITX.quest_for_silence wrote:keif wrote:I think I'm going to have to fit a 25mm fan on it.
Can't you tie the case fans to the GPU temp (instead of CPU one)?
Do any motherboards have that feature? Because it's definitely something I would like. What would be ideal is being able to tie them to both the CPU and GPU.
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I went to try my NF-A9 on the 1060 last night and discovered that it uses a different fan plug. Luckily Gelid has an adapter for it though which I've ordered.
I also pulled the heat sink off out of curiosity. Pictures here: http://imgur.com/a/PK5xx
Seems odd that the GPU is only inline with one of the heat pipes but I'm not sure how much of a difference this would make as there is a heat spreader. I'm not sure if this is a recycled cooler from their previous cards.
I also find it odd that there isn't any VRM and VRAM heat sinks. The GPU heat sink seems low enough where they could just stick some thermal pads between them which I've seen on other cards but maybe with a cooler this small it would cause them to conduct more heat than dissipate.
I also pulled the heat sink off out of curiosity. Pictures here: http://imgur.com/a/PK5xx
Seems odd that the GPU is only inline with one of the heat pipes but I'm not sure how much of a difference this would make as there is a heat spreader. I'm not sure if this is a recycled cooler from their previous cards.
I also find it odd that there isn't any VRM and VRAM heat sinks. The GPU heat sink seems low enough where they could just stick some thermal pads between them which I've seen on other cards but maybe with a cooler this small it would cause them to conduct more heat than dissipate.
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Well using a standard 25mm fan seems to be a bust. With an NF-A9 it was running at 83c and 1600rpm and it was actually louder than the stock fan. I think this is likely because there's only about 3mm between the bottom of the Rosewill U2 with a 25mm fan which you can see here, the shroud on the NF-A9 blocks a significant amount of airflow and not having the heat sink shroud on probably doesn't help either.
I got the idea from Lawrence's Big Shuriken review where he measured a 9c difference at the same noise level between a 14mm and 25mm fan but I guess the circumstances with a GPU are much different.
I put the stock fan and shroud back on and it's back to 80c and 1500rpm. I was also able to add a piece of soft foam between the fan and heat sink which I think has significantly reduced the howling/humming from the bearings but I want to test it at stock again.
I also have it in the Rosewill U2 now and I haven't noticed any significant decrease in temperature or fan speed. Pic here.
I did order a different fan to try out though as the stock fan on the EVGA 1060 is kinda odd in that the blades swoop in the opposite direction of most fans, pic here. It's the fan from the Gigabyte mini 960 and 970 which has a more common fan shape and many reviews showed those cards having good temperatures. It's the same size and uses the same mount so there won't be any issues there and it will bolt right on. It also uses the Power Logic long life bearing which are what the MSI 900 series Gaming cards use which I've owned and was very happy with. So that will be interesting to see if that makes any difference or is at least quieter and doesn't hum and howl.
I've also ordered some Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut which I've read a lot of good things about and there are a couple reviews showing ~5c improvements on CPUs over standard pastes and it may improve even more on a GPU because they have direct die contact and lower mounting pressures. I don't have my hopes up but it will be interesting to see.
I'm pretty happy with it, actually though. I'm more doing all of this out of curiosity and if I can get some more headroom for overclocking that would be nice as well. Since adding the foam underneath the fan mount, it hasn't bothered me in any situations. In CSGO I've limited my fps to 150 since I just play casually and in Firewatch, which is another of my hottest running games, it runs at 78c and 1300rpm with vsync (60hz) which is pretty much inaudible over the game with my headphones on which are also the open back HD595s.
Also I forget to mention, it's been in the 80s and 90s here for the past few weeks and we don't have AC! Which is probably pretty important to consider.
I got the idea from Lawrence's Big Shuriken review where he measured a 9c difference at the same noise level between a 14mm and 25mm fan but I guess the circumstances with a GPU are much different.
I put the stock fan and shroud back on and it's back to 80c and 1500rpm. I was also able to add a piece of soft foam between the fan and heat sink which I think has significantly reduced the howling/humming from the bearings but I want to test it at stock again.
I also have it in the Rosewill U2 now and I haven't noticed any significant decrease in temperature or fan speed. Pic here.
I did order a different fan to try out though as the stock fan on the EVGA 1060 is kinda odd in that the blades swoop in the opposite direction of most fans, pic here. It's the fan from the Gigabyte mini 960 and 970 which has a more common fan shape and many reviews showed those cards having good temperatures. It's the same size and uses the same mount so there won't be any issues there and it will bolt right on. It also uses the Power Logic long life bearing which are what the MSI 900 series Gaming cards use which I've owned and was very happy with. So that will be interesting to see if that makes any difference or is at least quieter and doesn't hum and howl.
I've also ordered some Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut which I've read a lot of good things about and there are a couple reviews showing ~5c improvements on CPUs over standard pastes and it may improve even more on a GPU because they have direct die contact and lower mounting pressures. I don't have my hopes up but it will be interesting to see.
I'm pretty happy with it, actually though. I'm more doing all of this out of curiosity and if I can get some more headroom for overclocking that would be nice as well. Since adding the foam underneath the fan mount, it hasn't bothered me in any situations. In CSGO I've limited my fps to 150 since I just play casually and in Firewatch, which is another of my hottest running games, it runs at 78c and 1300rpm with vsync (60hz) which is pretty much inaudible over the game with my headphones on which are also the open back HD595s.
Also I forget to mention, it's been in the 80s and 90s here for the past few weeks and we don't have AC! Which is probably pretty important to consider.
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I'm interested to see your outcome: when I tested the Kryonaut about a year ago it didn't performed better than other TIMs.keif wrote:I've also ordered some Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut which I've read a lot of good things about and there are a couple reviews showing ~5c improvements on CPUs over standard pastes and it may improve even more on a GPU because they have direct die contact and lower mounting pressures. I don't have my hopes up but it will be interesting to see.
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I didn't want to derail this thread too much with a wall of text and attachments so I posted my results with the Kryonaut here: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=69384
I measured an average temperature drop of 3c and 200 RPM. And with a similar fan speed, a 5c drop. Not huge but I'll take it!
I measured an average temperature drop of 3c and 200 RPM. And with a similar fan speed, a 5c drop. Not huge but I'll take it!
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I also removed the foam from underneath the fan and I didn't notice a significant increase in noise. Maybe at 1600+ RPM there's a slight increase in resonance and low frequency humming.
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Asus Strix OC, EVGA SC Gaming, and Inno 3D Gaming OC @ hardwareLUXX added.
Asus Strix OC, EVGA SC Gaming, and Inno 3D Gaming OC @ hardwareLUXX added.
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Can anyone make sense of why the Palit Jetstream 1060 gets poor (noise) reviews, while over in the other thread, the 1070 Gamerock gets great reviews? I thought they used the same cooling solution.
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I had originally ordered the plain Gainward 1060 dual fan model, but my order kept getting delayed, so when I saw a local shop with the basic Palit 1060 model in stock at the same price, I went for that one instead. The two models are supposed to be almost identical.
It supports passive fan mode, so it's practically inaudible at idle. Noticeable drop in idle noise from my old HD7850 which couldn't drop its single fan below 1000RPM . The fans do become audible at full load and with an ambient temp of ~22C, the card peaked at 73C while running Heaven DX11.
Unfortunately, I've noticed a few strings of really bad coil whine They aren't too noticeable since my rig sits under my desk and that is enough to block most of it, but when putting my ear ~50cm from the case while closed, it was definitely noticeable. It only happens during high load. If it gets really bad, I hope I can RMA the card.
I'll be back with some RPM readings at various loads and I'll be sure to experiment with the fan curve.
EDIT: fans seem to peak at 1800RPM during Heaven, so not very impressive.
It supports passive fan mode, so it's practically inaudible at idle. Noticeable drop in idle noise from my old HD7850 which couldn't drop its single fan below 1000RPM . The fans do become audible at full load and with an ambient temp of ~22C, the card peaked at 73C while running Heaven DX11.
Unfortunately, I've noticed a few strings of really bad coil whine They aren't too noticeable since my rig sits under my desk and that is enough to block most of it, but when putting my ear ~50cm from the case while closed, it was definitely noticeable. It only happens during high load. If it gets really bad, I hope I can RMA the card.
I'll be back with some RPM readings at various loads and I'll be sure to experiment with the fan curve.
EDIT: fans seem to peak at 1800RPM during Heaven, so not very impressive.
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Palit uses different coolers. The 1060 Super Jetstream is 248mm x 123mm with two 90mm fans and four heatpipes. The 1070 Gamerock PE is 285mm x 133mm with two 100mm fans and five heatpipes.taskenspiller wrote:Can anyone make sense of why the Palit Jetstream 1060 gets poor (noise) reviews, while over in the other thread, the 1070 Gamerock gets great reviews? I thought they used the same cooling solution.
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Thank you for clearing that up. Do you know if the cooling solution is the same for gamecock 1070 and jet stream 1070? The card dimensions are identical according to palit.com comparison, but the heatsink could of course be different.CA_Steve wrote:Palit uses different coolers. The 1060 Super Jetstream is 248mm x 123mm with two 90mm fans and four heatpipes. The 1070 Gamerock PE is 285mm x 133mm with two 100mm fans and five heatpipes.taskenspiller wrote:Can anyone make sense of why the Palit Jetstream 1060 gets poor (noise) reviews, while over in the other thread, the 1070 Gamerock gets great reviews? I thought they used the same cooling solution.
Actually I see now that the 1060 does get very different sound measurements in the reviews (guru3d -good, computer base - decent, techpowerup/nexus - worse than MSI gaming x), Should I be looking at another card for a silent GTX 1060?
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Lots to choose from. For one, look at the ComputerBase comparision of MSI Gaming X vs Palit Super Jetstream. The former runs cooler and quieter.
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http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/ ... g/?page=11
Great accoustic results for this tiny version.
Great accoustic results for this tiny version.
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Has anyone tried the Palit Dual yet? Or can anyone guess how well it will do in a well ventilated case with vertical orientation, like a Silverstone FT02?
I'm undecided between Palit Dual and MSI Gaming X. I know that the MSI card is supposed to be superior, and its Twin Frozr cooler gets good references from vertical case owners. But it's priced 50 euros above the Palit Dual card, quite a difference. Can't find anything on Palits coolers when mounted vertically (aside from the Jetstream, which is a different cooler), though it should be all right judging by the orientation of the fins and heatpipes.
So... should there really be that much difference between a budget Palit card in a heavily cooled FT02 case, and the Gaming X? I'm not so interested in OC'ing, I just want my system to be as quiet as possible while playing Rome: Total War and Cities: Skylines.
If you have an opinion, I'd love to hear it!
I'm undecided between Palit Dual and MSI Gaming X. I know that the MSI card is supposed to be superior, and its Twin Frozr cooler gets good references from vertical case owners. But it's priced 50 euros above the Palit Dual card, quite a difference. Can't find anything on Palits coolers when mounted vertically (aside from the Jetstream, which is a different cooler), though it should be all right judging by the orientation of the fins and heatpipes.
So... should there really be that much difference between a budget Palit card in a heavily cooled FT02 case, and the Gaming X? I'm not so interested in OC'ing, I just want my system to be as quiet as possible while playing Rome: Total War and Cities: Skylines.
If you have an opinion, I'd love to hear it!